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PeterWeller posted:Jaguar was bought by the other Indians. Gaaaah!
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Mr. Apollo posted:Just do what my boss does to avoid confusion. Specify if you're taking about "feather Indians" or "curry Indians". Around here it's 'dot' or 'feather'.
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Throatwarbler posted:Fine, but I would still like the column shifter though. The dodge/ford/Chevy cars already come with them in the cop versions, so there should be minimal new investment. Well I don't really care about the Chevy because you can get it with a stick, but the slushbox only ones should. What's the point of the rotary dial shifter anyway, what problem is it supposed to solve? I think it was a Jalopnik article a few months back that suggested that the console pushbotton is the way to go. I found it persuasive. Maybe younger folks will see the column shifter without prejudice, but for older folks like me, it will forever be associated with cars devoid of all driving enjoyment.
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They're bringing back the Dino. http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/ferrari-dino-return-v6-engined-sports-car  quote:The iconic Ferrari Dino is set for a sensational comeback to the Prancing Horse’s range, most likely as a new £150,000 mid-engined sports car powered by a twin-turbocharged V6 engine. In more attainable news, FCA is debuting the Fiat 124 Spider later this year. It better get the 1.4 turbo and 2.4. http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/201...tcat=affiliates
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Tekne posted:They're bringing back the Dino. Montezemolo is going to poo poo a brick.
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I just can't give a poo poo about Ferraris like I used to when I was a kid. The only one I still lust after is this one.
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Tekne posted:They're bringing back the Dino. Shameful admission: It took a long, long time before I realized what the name 'pentastar' was in reference to. I'm looking forward to seeing what it's like when they slap turbos on it. For a V6 it seems decent.
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MrYenko posted:It's just as good as you imagine. Maybe better. WTF? 10 years ago people would freak out with a non v8 in a Cadillac since they are smooth. Now asking for a performance v8 is odd?
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KakerMix posted:I just can't give a poo poo about Ferraris like I used to when I was a kid. The only one I still lust after is this one. Same, I freaking love the 308 GTB/GTS so much, and newer Ferraris are just meh.
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El Scotch posted:I can certainly buy the supposed 7:32 time at the 'Ring. How does this compare to say a 2014 gt500? My friend got one and upgraded to some 900hp super snake crazy.
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Tekne posted:They're bringing back the Dino. Does any of you have more details how much the Maserati twin-turbo 400 hp V6 shares with the US pentastars? How many of the parts are interchangable? The block is apparently similar, but with thicker cylinder walls and larger oil passages (http://www.pentastars.com/engines/ferrari.php). Some sources say the blocks are cast in US but assembled at Maranello. The cylinder heads are apparently a Ferrari design made in Italy (http://allparnews.com/index.php/2013/05/report-maserati-v6-comes-from-pentastar-engine-22322).    I guess the soon to be announced 500 hp Ferrari-Maserati-Alfa version will be a further development. Alfa has some tradition of custom cylinder heads on more mass produced blocks. The 16v Alfa 1.6-2.0 TS and JTS engined had Alfa cylinder heads on Fiat blocks. The 2.2 and 3.2 JTS engines in 159 and Brera had Alfa cylinder heads on GM cylinder blocks.
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http://www.carscoops.com/2014/09/how-about-that-maseratis-v6-engine-is.html The blocks are casted in Kokomo, Indiana and then machined in Trenton before they're shipped to Italy. I believe the block is a special varation of the 3.0L pentastar specifically for Maserati and Ferrari. The internals, heads, and turbos are all made by Ferrari, so I'm guessing not much if anything is interchangeable. What FCA has learned from this engine will first appear in the upgraded pentastar which will debut with the new Town & Country later this year. The entirely new hurricane 4 cylinders are supposed to arrive as well. I'm hoping those will go into the new Fiat Spider. What do you know, Chrysler just patented a new air intake system for a 6 cylinder engine. http://www.autoevolution.com/news/scoop-chrysler-files-patent-for-new-intake-air-control-system-to-arrive-on-updated-pentastar-v6-96324.html Tekne fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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Christobevii3 posted:WTF? 10 years ago people would freak out with a non v8 in a Cadillac since they are smooth. Now asking for a performance v8 is odd? Absolutely not, I was just commenting that an LSA would be more appropriate for a conceptual ultra-ATS-V. An LS7 in an ATS-V would be akin to Porsche putting the 911 GT3 engine in a Panamera. Awesome, in its own way, but not quite "right."
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Christobevii3 posted:How does this compare to say a 2014 gt500? My friend got one and upgraded to some 900hp super snake crazy. *If* this is accurate it ran a 7:39.
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MrYenko posted:Absolutely not, I was just commenting that an LSA would be more appropriate for a conceptual ultra-ATS-V. An LS7 in an ATS-V would be akin to Porsche putting the 911 GT3 engine in a Panamera. Awesome, in its own way, but not quite "right." The V cars are performance oriented enough that I don't think it would be weird at all. That's just me though.
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MrYenko posted:Absolutely not, I was just commenting that an LSA would be more appropriate for a conceptual ultra-ATS-V. An LS7 in an ATS-V would be akin to Porsche putting the 911 GT3 engine in a Panamera. Awesome, in its own way, but not quite "right." Is there a guide anY where to explaining the differences in LS hexadecimal
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14 INCH SLIT posted:Is there a guide anY where to explaining the differences in LS hexadecimal  The wiki page isn't terrible. It's organized by bore size, but you can generally classify them by iron or aluminum block. All LSx (as well as the LT1 and LT4 from the C7 Corvette) engines are aluminum block, and performance oriented, while an Lxx designation can mean almost anything from a 4.8L iron/iron truck engine, to the aluminum 6.2L L99 that is in automatic-transmission Camaro SSes. LS1, LS6, LS2, LS3, LS7, LS9, LSA, LT1, LT4 are the really good ones, but there are a few gems in the truck world, particularly the L92, which is a 6.2L, 403hp all-aluminum engine found in Escalades, GMC Denalis, and Hummers. Nobody cares about the LS4, because it was a stupid idea. 
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LT5 supremacy
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go3 posted:LT5 supremacy The LT5: The moment Team Corvette lost their collective minds. Still one of the coolest programs Chevy ever went through with.
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Powershift posted:Other than leather/paint/wood colors, the only option for the audi is the technik pack which includes: Uh, no. You really need that package (and the driver assistance package, which is extra) to match the features of the Ultimate trim you're quoting the numbers on.  Oh, hey. It adds another 10 grand on the price. Okay, let's say you don't need the driver assistance crap. Then you should be looking at the Luxury package on the Genesis, which costs $47,400. Sure, you get the 3.8 instead of the 5.0 with that package, but that's actually more comparable to the 3.0 in the Audi (311 HP vs. 333 HP). It's about a second slower to 100km/h, but nobody is buying these things to drag race. ~6.5 seconds is plenty fast for a luxobarge. I'm not saying the Audi isn't the car I'd rather have (dat bamboo console  ), but it's also $15,000 more when you compare apples to apples ($20,000 if you're comparing the Technology, which is equivalent to the Ultimate with the 3.8 in the states to the Technik package. This is the trim level I would actually buy, so it's pretty relevant at least to me).Edit: I'd also like to point out the Genesis is a couple hundred bucks cheaper in Canada than it is in the States. So for once, you're not getting screwed over on price. KillHour fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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MrYenko posted:The LT5: The moment Team Corvette lost their collective minds.  although it suffered from typical GM horseshit: quote:During a technical review at Lotus, however, Roy Midgley, then chief engineer of CPC's 90-degree V-type engines, found something he didn't like. According to Rudd, "Roy spotted the bore centers were 4.55 inches, and he said, 'Hey—you can't do that.' He said it had to be 4.4 inches, like the small-block V-8." Sounds like Roy Midgley needed to be fired out of a cannon directly into the loving Sun. Terrible Robot fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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MrYenko posted:
I meant more in the concept of someone who doesn't know the LS designations and the wiki article is too spread out to across the board spot the differences, how can an LS_ instead of an LS_ be like putting a GT3 motor in a Panamera when to me it appears like generally speaking it's high horsepower medium displacement V8s with your flavor options being iron or aluminum, and the occasional factory supercharger. What makes one in particular the GT3 block rather than just the Carerra 4S if I'm managing my analogies
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14 INCH SLIT posted:I meant more in the concept of someone who doesn't know the LS designations and the wiki article is too spread out to across the board spot the differences, how can an LS_ instead of an LS_ be like putting a GT3 motor in a Panamera when to me it appears like generally speaking it's high horsepower medium displacement V8s with your flavor options being iron or aluminum, and the occasional factory supercharger. What makes one in particular the GT3 block rather than just the Carerra 4S if I'm managing my analogies The LS7 is the only production 4.125" bore engine, with the highest redline, biggest displacement, and most naturally aspirated power of any GM V8. It's a (relatively) high-strung engine, and would feel out of place in a car that wasn't similarly extreme, like a Z06 or Z/28. GM could certainly do that with an ATS-V+, but I was simply commenting that an LSA would not only make more power and torque, but would fit the character of the car better.
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KillHour posted:Uh, no. You really need that package (and the driver assistance package, which is extra) to match the features of the Ultimate trim you're quoting the numbers on. The package is half made up of poo poo the geneis doesn't have, there's no way to make the cars identically equal. The v6 genesis is also AWD only in canada, and weighs 4475lbs, 6.5 seconds is 1.8 seconds slower to 60 than the A6 which is huge. 1.8 seconds faster than the audi is an aventador. 1.8 seconds slower than the genesis is a ford transit. Nobody is drag racing these cars, but these numbers are used as a metric to give you an overall impression of performance. In terms of direct comparisons to the performance of other cars, in accleration, braking, and road handling, the A6 matches the base Camaro SS, where the V6 genesis matches the chevy malibu. 400lbs heavier, and a naturally aspirated engine, it's nowhere near in the same league. You're going to say the progressiv audi doesn't match the V8 hyundai because it only has 10 speakers instead of 17, or doesn't have the full self driving, but the V6 genesis matches the A6 because 311 is kinda close to 333.
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I'm not sure you can really call an engine that makes north of 350ft*lbs of torque at 2k RPM high strung when talking about high strung as a drawback. Sure you can run it out to almost 7k RPM but you can also easily pass people on the highway in overdrive without downshifting and just thinking about hitting the throttle.
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Powershift posted:The package is half made up of poo poo the geneis doesn't have, there's no way to make the cars identically equal. You seem awfully hung up on weight. The A6 in 3L AWD is almost 4,100lbs too, you realize. These are luxury cars, not racers. As you say people aren't buying these on 0-60 times, they are buying them for the 17 speakers, so why keep insisting the A6 is so much better because it's faster?
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Because its not 1977 and driving dynamics matter. Excessive weight hurts. You're right though. The Genesis is a better floating couch for old people. Although to that extent the diesel audi or 5 series would keep them from having to fuel up daily. Powershift fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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Powershift posted:Because its not 1977 and driving dynamics matter. Excessive weight hurts. I'm so sorry that Korean girl broke your heart. Seriously though, it's an amazing value and strong performer in a very competitive segment: http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Upscale-Midsize-Cars/ TKIY fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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Powershift posted:Because its not 1977 and driving dynamics matter. Excessive weight hurts. The best thing about the Genesis, and it's bigger, more expensive, better equipped cousin the Equus is their depreciation for people buying lightly used. I just did a search locally for Equuses, there's an Equus with only 30,000 miles on it for $18k asking at a local dealer. That's $42k off of original sticker. The big Hyundais around me depreciate $1.40 per mile. I don't think even the A6es you're comparing them to fall that fast. Edit: Whoever bought that Equus new ate an entire BMW 335i of depreciation in the first 3 years of its life. Wowza.
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At some point the market will have to catch up on these cars though. Think of Lexus at the launch of the brand, it was a curiosity. Then the LS hit the market and the rest is history.
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The LS was the first lexus. There was no lexus before the LS.
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Twerk from Home posted:The best thing about the Genesis, and it's bigger, more expensive, better equipped cousin the Equus is their depreciation for people buying lightly used. I just did a search locally for Equuses, there's an Equus with only 30,000 miles on it for $18k asking at a local dealer. That's $42k off of original sticker. The big Hyundais around me depreciate $1.40 per mile. I don't think even the A6es you're comparing them to fall that fast. Doesn't really matter if you're never planning to sell it.
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I can't imagine somebody willing to pay $50 grand for a luxury car is going to be happy driving a 5 year old car with a christmas tree of warning lights and a shop quote for 3 times it's value to fix them. If they were, there's no reason not to spend $30 grand to get the same car 2 years old and barely used CPO. With the money you saved, you can light your cigars with $20 bills and come out $10k ahead, assuming you only smoke 1 per day. On the other hand, if there was nobody buying new, there would be no cheap used, so buy away!
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Old people fuckin love buying something and keeping it for a thousand years, like Buicks and Werthers Originals.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Doesn't really matter if you're never planning to sell it. I bet the amount of people keeping a luxury car past 5 years is pretty small. Personally the A6 pretty far ahead of the Genesis but at least in the US the price difference is pretty fair until you consider the extra depreciation on the Genesis. It's a neat car but unless they split the Genesis and Equus into a separate brand it's going to be dragged down by Hyundai's name for a long time. I hope they keep getting better because it's really nice package at face value.
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Terrible Robot posted:
Jesus loving wept. The LT5 was a loving freak engine. Who gives a gently caress if the bore centers are the same as the other small blocks. What an rear end in a top hat.
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Powershift posted:The package is half made up of poo poo the geneis doesn't have, there's no way to make the cars identically equal. I'm just going to go down the list you quoted and put the Genesis spec next to each item. 19" 15-spoke star design alloy wheels | 19-inch premium alloy wheels [5.0 trim only] 255/40 R19 all-season tires | P245/40R19 front and P275/35R19 rear tires [5.0 trim only] Power trunk open/close(vs power open only on base) | I can't find anywhere on Hyudnai's website where it says it does this, so here's a video Power foldable auto dimming heated exterior mirrors(vs non-power fold on base) | Heated, Power-folding Side Mirrors with Integrated Turn Signal, Electrochromic Exterior Mirrors Four-zone automatic climate control(vs 2 zone on base) | Genesis is 2 zone, but it does have rear heated seats. 4-way power lumbar support for front seats(vs driver only on base) | 12-way Power-adjustable Front Seats with Lumbar Adjustment Ventilated front seats | Ventilated Front Seats Bose® sound system with 14 speakers(vs 10 speaker on base) | 14 Speaker Lexicon® Discrete Logic 7® Surround Sound Audio System [17 on the 5.0] Homelink | Bluelink, which is pretty much the same thing. The Sonata has Android Auto, so expect that on next year's model. Rear & top view camera(vs rear only on base) | Rear view only Audi pre-sense rear | Front and rear sensors Audi side assist | Blind Spot Detection (BSD) with Rear Cross Traffic Alert and Lane Change Assist (LCA), Lane Departure Warning System (LDWS), Lane Keeping Assist System (LKAS) Powershift posted:The v6 genesis is also AWD only in canada, and weighs 4475lbs, 6.5 seconds is 1.8 seconds slower to 60 than the A6 which is huge. 1.8 seconds faster than the audi is an aventador. 1.8 seconds slower than the genesis is a ford transit. Nobody is drag racing these cars, but these numbers are used as a metric to give you an overall impression of performance. In terms of direct comparisons to the performance of other cars, in accleration, braking, and road handling, the A6 matches the base Camaro SS, where the V6 genesis matches the chevy malibu. 400lbs heavier, and a naturally aspirated engine, it's nowhere near in the same league. 1.2 seconds. The Audi is 5.3 seconds to 100km/h, according to their own website. The V8 you insisted on comparing it to does it in 5 flat (for the RWD. I can't find a number for the Canada spec AWD). Powershift posted:You're going to say the progressiv audi doesn't match the V8 hyundai because it only has 10 speakers instead of 17, or doesn't have the full self driving, but the V6 genesis matches the A6 because 311 is kinda close to 333. I'm saying they trade punches, which is not something you should be able to say about a car with a $15-20k price difference. The Hyundai is a fantastic value for the money, and saying otherwise is being purposefully obtuse. And the Progressiv Audi doesn't even match a v6 with the Tech package. You really need that Technik package unless you're comparing to the Luxury package on the Genesis. Powershift posted:Because its not 1977 and driving dynamics matter. Excessive weight hurts. The A6 diesel is even MORE expensive. I could buy a tricked out Genesis 3.8 for my luxobarge commuter AND a Fiesta ST to throw around on the weekends for the price of the A6 fully-loaded. KillHour fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Jun 8, 2015 |
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TKIY posted:At some point the market will have to catch up on these cars though. Think of Lexus at the launch of the brand, it was a curiosity. Then the LS hit the market and the rest is history.
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You're disputing things i said about the V6 model with specs from the RWD V8 model, suggest the extra 7 speakers and folding mirrors is worth nearly 2 seconds to 60. And round $11k up to $20k in your worst case scenario. Magazines have tested the A6 at 4.7-4.8 seconds, and you completely ignore it's braking distance and handling which is hampered by the genesis's weight and afterthought awd. quote:The A6 diesel is even MORE expensive. I could buy a tricked out Genesis 3.8 for my luxobarge commuter AND a Fiesta ST to throw around on the weekends for the price of the A6 fully-loaded. This makes more sense. after 5 years they'd each be worth $15k and you'd only be down $30k instead of the $40k you would be on the V8 genesis. although you'd probably be running over people and backing into stuff without BSDLCALDWSLKAS saving you on your fiesta days. The V6 also gets reasonably acceptable fuel economy and doesn't have the expectation of performance that the V8 lets down. You'd also have something to drive while the hyundai's in the shop getting sensors and trunk motors replaced.
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