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Pinterest Mom posted:Feature deprecation section really clutching at straws here to mak ms look bad lol
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Jun 6, 2015 18:44
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Beeftweeter posted:lol @ removing a loving mpeg-2 decoder Hasn't Microsoft never shipped an MPEG 2 decoder or a DVD player? I thought that always came with the DVD drive itself because Microsoft didn't want to pay any of the licensing fees. edit: XP and Vista didn't support DVD playback, Windows 7 added it, Windows 8.1 (or possibly 8) removed it again
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Jun 6, 2015 18:47
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Valeyard posted:really clutching at straws here to mak ms look bad lol it's a straight c-p from their own website explaining what happens when you preorder windows 10 
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Jun 6, 2015 18:53
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Pinterest Mom posted:it's a straight c-p from their own website explaining what happens when you preorder windows 10 I know but still, of all the things they could pick apart it's having to manually download some software to make your floppy disks work on a 2015 OS lol
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Jun 6, 2015 18:57
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pseudorandom name posted:Hasn't Microsoft never shipped an MPEG 2 decoder or a DVD player? yeah windows 7 has a mpeg-2 decoder (and maybe encoder, i dont remember). i figured more people would be upgrading from 7 instead of 8.x so more people will be pissed about it vs people that didnt have it in the first place i imagine all media center editions have it though since you cant decode terrestrial tv without a mpeg-2 decoder
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Jun 6, 2015 18:58
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Jun 6, 2015 18:59
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yeah that shits broken as hell and hasnt been fixed in like 3 publicly released builds a few months apart so far lol just let the text use all that goddamn whitespace jfc
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Jun 6, 2015 19:01
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Ship it in less than 60 days!
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Jun 6, 2015 19:04
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the referenced KB articles still aren't hyperlinks, but its been that way for a decade now so expecting it to change is foolish
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Jun 6, 2015 19:06
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pseudorandom name posted:the referenced KB articles still aren't hyperlinks, but its been that way for a decade now so expecting it to change is foolish they are on win 7?
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Jun 6, 2015 19:09
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pseudorandom name posted:Hasn't Microsoft never shipped an MPEG 2 decoder or a DVD player? Vista did, but only in Home Premium and Ultimate (Business and I think Enterprise omitted it). It's a bit of a mess because MPEG-2 decoding and the technology required to decrypt copy-protected DVD's has to be licensed. VLC sort of grey-area works around it which is something Microsoft can't really do. Likewise, DVD drives and Blu-ray drives don't always come with playback software, and it's often considerably more expensive than the drive. I'm guessing they had to kill DVD playback to make the free upgrades thing work.
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Jun 6, 2015 19:12
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univbee posted:Vista did, but only in Home Premium and Ultimate (Business and I think Enterprise omitted it). It's a bit of a mess because MPEG-2 decoding and the technology required to decrypt copy-protected DVD's has to be licensed. VLC sort of grey-area works around it which is something Microsoft can't really do. Likewise, DVD drives and Blu-ray drives don't always come with playback software, and it's often considerably more expensive than the drive. I'm guessing they had to kill DVD playback to make the free upgrades thing work. vlc uses libdvdcss which i dont think is even grey area, its probably straight up technically illegal. it also uses libaacs which is basically the same thing, just for blu-ray/aacs.
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Jun 6, 2015 19:17
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also i doubt the free upgrades are the reason, os x includes mpeg-2/dvd decode support and is free. arguably though the license could have been sold with the computer, but the same is also true of any dvd drive, so the mpeg-la would be double dipping e: although you could counter that by saying the drive came with dvd playback software so they should just use that, but thats usually a feature limited non-upgradable version of powerdvd or something Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jun 6, 2015 |
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Jun 6, 2015 19:19
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Valeyard posted:I know but still, of all the things they could pick apart it's having to manually download some software to make your floppy disks work on a 2015 OS lol that's got to save what, a 1mb USBFLOPY.SYS on the CD
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Jun 6, 2015 19:28
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I dont' think I've ever seen a USB floppy drive
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Jun 6, 2015 19:29
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why the gently caress do people care that a 2015 os cant play back sd media stored on optical discs
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Jun 6, 2015 19:29
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pseudorandom name posted:I dont' think I've ever seen a USB floppy drive i have one hooked up to my computer right now because the old computers that i work with don't support USB drives
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Jun 6, 2015 19:30
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Luigi Thirty posted:that's got to save what, a 1mb USBFLOPY.SYS on the CD lol a CD
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Jun 6, 2015 19:32
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Why is mpeg2 still even patented jfc that poo poo came out in like 1995 I mean I remember seeing divx stuff start appearing in like 2001? H264 royalty free when
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Jun 6, 2015 20:18
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Thanks Ants posted:why the gently caress do people care that a 2015 os cant play back sd media stored on optical discs a mpeg-2 decoder is useful for way more than just playing dvds. a lot of content is still mpeg-2 since thats what is primarily used for atsc even though h.264 was added to the spec most people's old hdtvs dont have a h.264 decoder though so pretty much everything is broadcast in mpeg-2. likewise if you were to record an ota broadcast you would need a mpeg-2 decoder to play it
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Jun 6, 2015 20:18
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was it one of the resident evil games for n64 that came with an MPEG-2 decoder chip on the cartridge
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Jun 6, 2015 20:21
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Mr Dog posted:Why is mpeg2 still even patented jfc that poo poo came out in like 1995 it was developed earlier than that but uses a ton of patents pooled by a bunch of corporations, so i have no idea when they would all expire even then its not very useful these days as its a very old codec and h264 and especially hevc are way better. h.264 is basically royalty free for consumers as mpeg-la said they would not sue individuals for using it
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Jun 6, 2015 20:21
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So in Windows 10, using the xbox app you can now stream games playing on your underpowered overpriced console on your gaming pc.... A feature no one who uses a pc to play games ever wanted.
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Jun 6, 2015 20:27
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I'm sure what's his name from penny arcade will tweet endlessly about how great it is to stream from his Xbox One to his Surface 3
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Jun 6, 2015 20:48
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pseudorandom name posted:I'm sure what's his name from penny arcade will tweet endlessly about how great it is to stream from his Xbox One to his Surface 3 i also remember the day i stopped reading PA
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Jun 6, 2015 22:15
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Valeyard posted:I know but still, of all the things they could pick apart it's having to manually download some software to make your floppy disks work on a 2015 OS lol don't have to download anything to make a USB floppy drive work on OS X, as long as conforms to the USB storage device class, probably the same with Linux (OS X doesn't support the MFS or HFS filesystem any more so good luck reading a non-DOS floppy, but you can blast a disk image onto one and then use it on an old Mac if you're doing retro stuff) next you'll tell us that Windows users need to install a lovely driver to talk to an FTDI chip or other serial interface over USB
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Jun 6, 2015 23:48
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or when you plug it in windows automatically gets the drivers and none of this is a real issue but no, go on about how stupid this is please.
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Jun 6, 2015 23:53
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pseudorandom name posted:I'm sure what's his name from penny arcade will tweet endlessly about how great it is to stream from his Xbox One to his Surface 3
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Jun 7, 2015 00:23
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Beeftweeter posted:they are on win 7? you'll end up googling the kb anyway to find out what the update actually does because ms wont tell you what updates actually do or contain
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Jun 7, 2015 02:22
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Get satya on the phone. We're ready to ship today.
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Jun 7, 2015 05:48
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Dodoman posted:or when you plug it in windows automatically gets the drivers and none of this is a real issue why should an OS have to fetch drivers for a device that conforms to a standard device class? drivers like that should just be part of the OS, that's the whole point of the "device class" system.
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Jun 7, 2015 07:00
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they're probably trying to reduce the image size for the virtual disk version that gets installed on tablets, and since USB Mass Storage comes in three flavors two of which nobody ever uses, dropping support for the useless protocols will save them space
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Jun 7, 2015 07:41
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i love how the developers for windows 8.1 update really hate multi-monitor displays. not only is there a six-pixel border on each corner that prevents the mouse from smoothly moving between displays, but the only way to modify this behavior is through the registry. what a great idea. wow.
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Jun 7, 2015 08:24
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Valeyard posted:really clutching at straws here to mak ms look bad lol but you see windows media center - a poo poo thing nobody ever used or cared about - got finally axed
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Jun 7, 2015 08:32
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cthulhoo posted:but you see windows media center - a poo poo thing nobody ever used or cared about - got finally axed this is actually good, i have the windows media center key next to volume up on my laptop and it sucks accidentally hitting it multiple times
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Jun 7, 2015 13:53
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Maximum Leader posted:this is actually good, i have the windows media center key next to volume up on my laptop and it sucks accidentally hitting it multiple times
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Jun 7, 2015 14:15
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Maximum Leader posted:this is actually good, i have the windows media center key next to volume up on my laptop and it sucks accidentally hitting it multiple times can't you just turn that off in the settings
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Jun 7, 2015 15:15
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cthulhoo posted:but you see windows media center - a poo poo thing nobody ever used or cared about - got finally axed windows media center is the only piece of software that can play encrypted cable so it going away is kind of a pain in the rear end.
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Jun 7, 2015 16:35
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Shaggar posted:windows media center is the only piece of software that can play encrypted cable so it going away is kind of a pain in the rear end. id assume that OneGuide will come to Windows 10 to fill that gap
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one guide isn't a player its just a guide overlay on top of video coming from a set top box.
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