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Trying to do Lost unlocks in Isaac is like pulling teeth. I can't believe that Edmund thinks that The Lost is a good character as he currently is. He's just so painfully bad. The slightest bit of RNG bullshit is capable of ending a run or costing you a cat life and it's frustrating as gently caress because you already spent 20 minutes resetting for a decent start just to have it all come crashing down because you got Haunt as a boss or you got hit by a stray blood shot that was a pixel lower than you expected. And if you get to, like, Isaac or something, you can just get destroyed by a beam of light that you have absolutely no control over, or The Lamb could just charge you and it's just "Welp, guess that's an hour gone, BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME LOLOLOL!!" Seriously, gently caress The Lost.
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Had an XL floor and it was the same boss twice. Never happened to me before and I didn't realize it was possible.
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Jun 7, 2015 04:51
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Hypothetically because I know you'd have more luck with the Monster Manual spam method than this happening, if... ... you got the Book of Revelations on the first floor ... Womb I spawned a 5-pip Dice Room ... and Conquest showed up telling you to go gently caress yourself ... would it be possible to use the Dice room to reset the floor and get Death? Or does the Book of Revelations only work once a floor, even if you reset it? Or can Conquest double-gently caress you?
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Jun 7, 2015 04:58
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Codiekitty posted:Hypothetically because I know you'd have more luck with the Monster Manual spam method than this happening, if... you should be able to use the 5-pip room to have another chance to get death. conquest can double gently caress you though I'm pretty sure
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Jun 7, 2015 05:14
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I had a Steam Sale drop from the dummy in a shop when I blew it up. I was making a withdrawal from the donation box and figured, might as well place the bomb to blow up the shopkeeper, he's often good for a couple of extra coins.
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Jun 7, 2015 10:00
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IMJack posted:A simple Afterbirth update: the Rag Man. Self-heal? What? How? Both gifs only show enemy spawning, the health bar never refills his health
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Jun 7, 2015 15:09
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death .cab for qt posted:Self-heal? What? How? Both gifs only show enemy spawning, the health bar never refills his health Yes it does. Check his health when he's standing in the purple light in the second gif; it goes up a bit. It also seems to revive his spider minion, but I'm not sure if that's what's actually happening or not.
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Jun 7, 2015 15:13
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Oops, I missed that. It says a lot though, that little bump would probably take stock Isaac 6 shots to equal out. Not good overall design, but really ineffectual
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Jun 7, 2015 15:15
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Nice early game slog boss. Not hard, just takes forever to kill if you didn't get any damage ups
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Jun 7, 2015 15:22
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Or are Azazel
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Jun 7, 2015 15:23
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Oh god please don't have bosses that refill their health, that is like the worst idea. We all saw how lovely it was in Eternal Mod, why start borrowing ideas from Florian now?
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Jun 7, 2015 16:30
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Well, you can get Super Envy in the first room now 
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Prop Wash posted:Oh god please don't have bosses that refill their health, that is like the worst idea. We all saw how lovely it was in Eternal Mod, why start borrowing ideas from Florian now? you do realize how little health it looks like he has and how little he restores in that gif? it looks like he restores about 3 shots worth of health from plain isaac. really not enough to warrant getting that upset about imo
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Jun 7, 2015 16:41
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Literal Nazi Furry posted:you do realize how little health it looks like he has and how little he restores in that gif? it looks like he restores about 3 shots worth of health from plain isaac. really not enough to warrant getting that upset about imo It's Basement 1. There should be exactly 0 bosses that can heal themselves on Basement 1. I really hope that gif is placed in the basement just as a dev test because that's a real poo poo boss to put at the start of the game.
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Jun 7, 2015 16:46
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Codiekitty posted:Hypothetically because I know you'd have more luck with the Monster Manual spam method than this happening, if... I had this happen to me a few weeks back, when you reroll the floor, even if you use the BoR, you get a non-horseman boss.
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Literal Nazi Furry posted:you do realize how little health it looks like he has and how little he restores in that gif? it looks like he restores about 3 shots worth of health from plain isaac. really not enough to warrant getting that upset about imo Depends on how often he regenerates that little bit
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Jun 7, 2015 19:25
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Doesn't the health bar going up just reflect that a new add has spawned, not that the main boss has gained life? edit - no I guess it doesn't count other spawns health Irving.jpg fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Jun 7, 2015 |
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Jun 7, 2015 19:32
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I, for one, am totally fine with a boss regenerating a tiny bit of health at any point in the early levels.
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Jun 7, 2015 19:47
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omeg posted:Well, you can get Super Envy in the first room now Fine, as long as they keep the easy reset intact. In fact, any Envy anywhere on the first floor and I mash R, or risk hating the game.
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Jun 7, 2015 20:17
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I just took a break from trying to beat Lost achievements to get The Stopwatch. Any other 'must have's? I think I have most everything but when I read about the stopwatch I really had to stop and get it.
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Jun 7, 2015 23:34
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Cheekio posted:I just took a break from trying to beat Lost achievements to get The Stopwatch. Any other 'must have's? I think I have most everything but when I read about the stopwatch I really had to stop and get it. Stopwatch is an auto-win pretty much. Unless you're the lost.
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Jun 8, 2015 00:40
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Got monster manual on floor 2 as isaac; proceeded to not get a reroll setup for the entire rest of the game.
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Nighthand posted:Got monster manual on floor 2 as isaac; proceeded to not get a reroll setup for the entire rest of the game. Too early for that. I would hope to get the manual in the chest or somewhere AFTER I got my reroll setup. Manual is easy to get if you've got the infinite rerolls set up. Getting the setup is the harder part.
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Vic Boss posted:Stopwatch is an auto-win pretty much. Unless you're the lost. This. The Stopwatch will get you to Isaac, and then you'll get RNG-beamed and have to start over.
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The light things Isaac shoots can be gamed fairly easily, just go up a bit then back down to the bottom. The light follows you a bit so it leaves a gap at the bottom of the screen.cryptoclastic posted:Too early for that. I would hope to get the manual in the chest or somewhere AFTER I got my reroll setup. The last time I've even seen the Monster Manual was in, like, January. This includes dicking around with the infinite Basement seed not even kidding
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Manatee Cannon posted:The light things Isaac shoots can be gamed fairly easily, just go up a bit then back down to the bottom. The light follows you a bit so it leaves a gap at the bottom of the screen. Beams in phase 2 are totally random. Phase 3 has the nice regular ones. Also Daddy Longlegs random stomps which apply damage before the leg is even on the screen. omeg fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Jun 8, 2015 |
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Jun 8, 2015 12:42
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Nighthand posted:Got monster manual on floor 2 as isaac; proceeded to not get a reroll setup for the entire rest of the game. You want to keep the D6 at the very least until the shop gives you the sharp plug, and then afterwards for the first chest room.
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You also need a way to heal yourself, because the effects of the Monster Manual disappear once you leave the room. Pyromaniac + infinite explosives works well for this, but I've always found that getting Pyromaniac and a source of explosives (Ipecac, Dr. Fetus, Epic Fetus, etc.) is kind of a challenge because RNG likes to gently caress you over as it is with most breaking methods.
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I believe all of those items are special, which means that getting both Pyromaniac and an explosive tear in one run is very unlikely
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Once you have an infinite roll setup, it's relatively easy to get a D20, which you can can then use to get an unlimited number of bombs.
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Whenever I learn of more totally random poo poo that can ruin a Lost run, I'm glad I never did it legitimately. I will always accept that I cannot legit get RPG, and I'm fine with that. I won't even try. I'm sane.
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Things that can ruin a Lost run: - Spiders - The Haunt - Judas' Shadow/Lazarus' Rags - Spiders - Red fires - Being off by a pixel while dodging projectiles - Cellar 2 Fistula - That one room in Caves with the 5 Boom Flies and no room to maneuver - Spiders - Isaac's 2nd phase RNG-beams - Being too fast and ramming yourself into a fire - Trying to leave a Cursed Room - Getting the Red angel as a boss in the Angel Room - Red Mom - Spiders - The Haunt - Skeletons - The Bloat - Spiders Manatee Cannon posted:I believe all of those items are special, which means that getting both Pyromaniac and an explosive tear in one run is very unlikely Ipecac isn't special anymore, so it's reasonable to get both Pyromaniac and Ipecac in a run. Kamikaze will also work.
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The only thing I consistently die to every time I see it as the Lost is loving Daddy Long Legs and it's bullshit instant attacks before you can damage him.
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QuantaStarFire posted:Things that can ruin a Lost run: Red poops anywhere in the room = you're gonna get hit. Their hitbox is the size of like 7 rooms. Red poop spawns on that floor? You're hit. What I'm saying is I think red poops should be removed.
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I was cruise controlling through rooms I'd already cleared as The Lost once and ran into a devil beggar that I'd forgot was there
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Jun 9, 2015 00:24
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Manatee Cannon posted:I was cruise controlling through rooms I'd already cleared as The Lost once and ran into a devil beggar that I'd forgot was there That's why you blow up all demon beggars/blood banks as the Lost, and also extinguish all fires. It's Lost 101.
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Jun 9, 2015 00:35
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You act as though I had bombs Sometimes hard mode gives you drops, sometimes... well, I didn't want in those treasure rooms anyway
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I genuinely dislike how Hard Mode impacts those sorts of drops. Honestly, I don't really like treasure rooms being locked. It's just kind of a RNG screwjob waiting to happen and otherwise isn't really a meaningfully interesting choice.
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Jun 9, 2015 00:55
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The only times I don't have keys on my second floor is when I'm playing on the Vita. The Vita version is up to date with the PC one, right? It happens way too often to be a coincidence.
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