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Rick posted:Denver is trying to spin Lawson or (and) Faried into a pick(s). I think the Thunder might be the team that would benefit from at least Lawson more than a rookie. OKC can't trade its pick. If there was some sort of handshake deal for OKC to take a player for another team, they could maybe do that. I think Denver probably wants significantly more than 14 for Lawson, too. Presti's also hinted that he's thinking about trading out of the first completely for a future pick. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he did that given their roster situation.
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Terry Glenn posted:OKC can't trade its pick. If there was some sort of handshake deal for OKC to take a player for another team, they could maybe do that. I think Denver probably wants significantly more than 14 for Lawson, too. Presti's also hinted that he's thinking about trading out of the first completely for a future pick. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he did that given their roster situation. OKC can't trade their pick because they don't have 2016? They can swap or take a player for another team and immediately trade him. They don't need to use their pick, thy just need to have a first round pick.
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Jun 8, 2015 17:37
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I fully expect Lawson for #4. Some other players mixed in. Maybe lawson and 7 for 4 and hardaway and aldrich or larkin. No source gently caress you.
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Jun 8, 2015 18:14
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Embiid is no Okafor on offense, the exciting thing about Embiid is that every time he played he'd show something new and considering how little he had played basketball his ceiling is crazy. He's nowhere near Okafor though, that guy is as polished as it gets for a freshman. He really belongs on San Antonio with his giant hands, ability to catch everything that comes his way and the patience he has and the way he passes. Watch some videos, he catches the ball with one hand and finishes with it so often it is routine. He's special, you can't go wrong with Okafor. He's a freshman who weighs 270 already. He's going to be a force for a decade.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:46
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Declan MacManus posted:No rookie is coming in and immediately shoring up a defense. At best a guy will be a mediocre defender by the end of his rookie season after getting destroyed by everyone for the first half of the season. I like Towns but he isn't going to come in and immediately fix somebody's defense. There's a steep learning curve and the rules are geared towards offense. Steep learning curve and referee hazing. Terry Glenn posted:OKC can't trade its pick. If there was some sort of handshake deal for OKC to take a player for another team, they could maybe do that. I think Denver probably wants significantly more than 14 for Lawson, too. Presti's also hinted that he's thinking about trading out of the first completely for a future pick. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he did that given their roster situation. I think Lawson is worth more than 14, but apparently there aren't a ton of people biting, maybe because the legal issues and maybe because the front office did nothing but leak about how lovely him and Faried's attitude was all year long. But yeah I didn't know that OKC was locked into this one, Denver doesn't have anything to swap down. For what it's worth there's some chatter that the Lakers are trying to trade into the middle of the draft (in addition to picking at #2) but that doesn't really satisfy what OKC wants. Rick fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Jun 8, 2015 |
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Jun 8, 2015 20:30
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Rick posted:Steep learning curve and referee hazing. Also true. Referees are not cutting you any slack; no Hibbert verticality shenanigans for a raw rookie with his arms flailing like an inflatable tube man at a car dealership kiimo posted:Embiid is no Okafor on offense, the exciting thing about Embiid is that every time he played he'd show something new and considering how little he had played basketball his ceiling is crazy. He's nowhere near Okafor though, that guy is as polished as it gets for a freshman. He really belongs on San Antonio with his giant hands, ability to catch everything that comes his way and the patience he has and the way he passes. Watch some videos, he catches the ball with one hand and finishes with it so often it is routine. He's special, you can't go wrong with Okafor. He's a freshman who weighs 270 already. He's going to be a force for a decade. Okafor isn't a sexy pick so everyone in the thread is bagging on him. It is the way of things
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Jun 8, 2015 21:15
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kiimo posted:Embiid is no Okafor on offense, the exciting thing about Embiid is that every time he played he'd show something new and considering how little he had played basketball his ceiling is crazy. He's nowhere near Okafor though, that guy is as polished as it gets for a freshman. He really belongs on San Antonio with his giant hands, ability to catch everything that comes his way and the patience he has and the way he passes. Watch some videos, he catches the ball with one hand and finishes with it so often it is routine. He's special, you can't go wrong with Okafor. He's a freshman who weighs 270 already. He's going to be a force for a decade. Okafor's offense reminds me of Duncan, especially the way he uses the glass. It would be amazing if he ended up on the Spurs somehow.
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Jun 8, 2015 22:28
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We as a society have gotten to the point where a legit centre with supreme offensive skills is not a sexy pick. Where did we go wrong?
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Jun 8, 2015 22:32
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Declan MacManus posted:Okafor isn't a sexy pick so everyone in the thread is bagging on him. It is the way of things I have nothing against Okafor but I am a Basketball Chaosist
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Jun 8, 2015 22:42
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WhyteRyce posted:I have nothing against Okafor but I am a Basketball Chaosist You were the only person on board with me with the Cavs drafting Jordair Jett first two years ago . . . .
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:We as a society have gotten to the point where a legit centre with supreme offensive skills is not a sexy pick. Where did we go wrong? The 3 point line and zone defense rules.
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Rick posted:You were the only person on board with me with the Cavs drafting Jordair Jett first two years ago . . . . 
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Jun 8, 2015 23:21
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wangvicous posted:The 3 point line and zone defense rules. And really they're down on his defense, not on his post skills. He seems to do a pretty decent job of playing defense without jumping, but it's just hard to have a decent defense without an adequate defensive center. At least, it's hard to build a decent defense around one and not compromise the offense. It's a wicked game to play, to treat Jahil Okafor this way.
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Jun 8, 2015 23:25
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Jun 8, 2015 23:40
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Metapod posted:what do you guys think the ceiling of okafor's defense is? Probably Al Jefferson in 2013-14, rather than hobbled Al in 14-15. A big who drops back and uses his footwork to get in the way of drivers, and plants his gargantuan body between bigs posting up and the rim.
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Jun 8, 2015 23:44
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Nah he can be better defensively than that. He's bigger and quicker than Al. He'll never be a great shotblocker or someone who can stay in front of really good faceup bigs, but he's generally passable when he gives a poo poo, and he can deter some stuff just by virtue of being big. A lot of his issues on that end seem effort related.
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Jun 8, 2015 23:46
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I don't want offensive skills, I just want someone who gets away with offensive fouls all the time and dunks every time. I want Shaq back. What I saw of Okafor reminded me offensively a little bit of Dwight Howard, but I may be an idiot. He'd be a pretty good pick for the Lakers, way better than Russell.
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Probably Magic posted:What I saw of Okafor reminded me offensively a little bit of Dwight Howard, but I may be an idiot. how in the heck
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Probably Magic posted:What I saw of Okafor reminded me offensively a little bit of Dwight Howard, but I may be an idiot. He'd be a pretty good pick for the Lakers, way better than Russell. can you please explain because i don't see that at all
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Jun 8, 2015 23:48
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Dwight Howard has always been well known for having textbook footwork and a soft touch on his jump hook with either hand.
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Jun 8, 2015 23:50
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i did not know his great footwork
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MourningView posted:Nah he can be better defensively than that. He's bigger and quicker than Al. He'll never be a great shotblocker or someone who can stay in front of really good faceup bigs, but he's generally passable when he gives a poo poo, and he can deter some stuff just by virtue of being big. A lot of his issues on that end seem effort related. I've been racking my brain a bit to think of centers with a similar physical profile to Okafor. There's Jefferson, who as you said is slower and a bit smaller, and the other guy who strikes me as very similar size wise and quickness/athleticism wise is Festus Ezeli. He's been able to be a pretty solid defensive player albeit in short minutes. If Okafor tried on defense, maybe he could be like post acl Ezeli.
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Jun 8, 2015 23:55
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The comment about it taking a while to be good on defense has me thinking that in two or three years Towns and Wiggins are going to make the Wolves one of the the best defensive teams in the country.
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:We as a society have gotten to the point where a legit centre with supreme offensive skills is not a sexy pick. Where did we go wrong? We allowed zone defenses in the NBA
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Non-center chat.
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Metapod posted:can you please explain because i don't see that at all I remember Okafor being able to be able to post up okay and finding ways of slipping past whoever guarded him down in the paint and that made me think of Dwight (though really, it should make me think of any post player ever), but I also remember Dikembe making jump shots, so again,  .
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Dejan Bimble posted:I've been racking my brain a bit to think of centers with a similar physical profile to Okafor. Bynum, maybe?
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Metapod posted:i did not know his great footwork That was sarcastic, Dwight is about as far from Okafor as you can get in terms of post play.
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Kibner posted:Bynum, maybe? Bynum learned all his post moves in the NBA and in like a couple of years, he was extremely talented for a guy that didn't give a poo poo about basketball.
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Looking at clips of both Howard and Okafor now, yeah, I don't know what I was seeing.
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cisneros posted:Bynum learned all his post moves in the NBA and in like a couple of years, he was extremely talented for a guy that didn't give a poo poo about basketball. I was talking more about body type and athleticism with regards to playing defense.
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He's more like Cousins kind of. Really he's unique. I just watched some Karl Malone clips to see if that was a good comparison. Nope, however I forgot what a loving beast Malone was.
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Dejan Bimble posted:I've been racking my brain a bit to think of centers with a similar physical profile to Okafor. If a young Al Jefferson clone with a different name was playing in college and going up against fat Polish 7-footers people would probably say he's more athletic and has more defensive potential than Al Jefferson too. Remember, Al Jefferson used to, uh, "defend" power forwards.
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Probably just more smokescreening but still fun. Apparently it's Towns and not even close" for the Wolves. https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/608099788429651969 (scroll up to read the whole conversation) IcePhoenix fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Jun 9, 2015 |
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Jun 9, 2015 14:46
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Its going to be Towns Okafor Russell and we will all be bored for 15 minutes. Then the draft will be nuts.
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euphronius posted:Its going to be Towns Okafor Russell and we will all be bored for 15 minutes. Then the draft will be nuts. I hope so because this is the order that makes the most sense talent, need and fit. I won't find it boring because Wiggins and Towns together is crazy exciting to me, Okafor and Randle is crazy exciting (and the Lakers having two really talented bigs is a total game-changing tectonic shift from what's been happening, sorry Tarik Black) and Russell teamed with Embiid and Noel is going to be amazing. I will be all over Summer League.
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Robert Sacre was the Lakers starting center last year, no need to apologize to Black even if you like his game there's still a gaping hole at the other big spot. What I'm curious as to if the Lakers spend money to bring back Ed Davis when he probably only starts half the year?
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euphronius posted:Its going to be Towns Okafor Russell and we will all be bored for 15 minutes. Then the draft will be nuts. Please stop insinuating the Knicks are going to take Porzingis even though it's getting less reasonable to be scared of Euro Busts
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MourningView posted:That was sarcastic, Dwight is about as far from Okafor as you can get in terms of post play. We did just have someone come in to an NBA thread saying Khris Middleton is a better power forward than Aldridge. Be careful with that sarcasm.
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kiimo posted:I hope so because this is the order that makes the most sense talent, need and fit. I won't find it boring because Wiggins and Towns together is crazy exciting to me, Okafor and Randle is crazy exciting (and the Lakers having two really talented bigs is a total game-changing tectonic shift from what's been happening, sorry Tarik Black) and Russell teamed with Embiid and Noel is going to be amazing. I will be all over Summer League. I think I read Noel is doing another year of Summer League as well.
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