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Asuron posted:Demented racist what? Mind showing some examples of that. Dude, there's like a whole great big bunch of casual Japanese racism that goes on in most of Ippo, particularly the early half of it. Morikawa gets a half-excuse since he's an old fart but there's a lot of "MEXICANS HAVE INNATE RHYTHM" and magical blackpeople punch muscles and "dirty asian" stereotypes for the non-glorious-Japanese (even if the Thai characters get a sympathetic portrayal or two). Nilbop posted:So chapters 1089, 1090 and 1091 are out. It's way better early on, with Takamura's title matches, Kamogawa's post-war flashback, and Ippo vs. Sendo/Sawamura/etc. Fabricated fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Apr 6, 2015 |
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When the fights are really important to the story they are incredible, all the world title fights and the Japanese title matches (not the defenses really) are insanely good, it's the other ones that kind of suck
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Apr 6, 2015 12:55
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Asuron posted:Demented racist what? Mind showing some examples of that.
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Apr 6, 2015 13:20
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Fabricated posted:Dude, there's like a whole great big bunch of casual Japanese racism that goes on in most of Ippo, particularly the early half of it. Morikawa gets a half-excuse since he's an old fart but there's a lot of "MEXICANS HAVE INNATE RHYTHM" and magical blackpeople punch muscles and "dirty asian" stereotypes for the non-glorious-Japanese (even if the Thai characters get a sympathetic portrayal or two). That's fair enough. I haven't really read the chapters where the protagonists face off against mexican boxers except Ricardo, Gonzalez and now the current mook Sendou is fighting. I didn't think the Thai portrayal with Miyata at the start was bad, but I guess it got worse as time went on. Bisse posted:How about Woli, the monkey man from the banana jungle, wearing a palm leaf skirt, jumping on the ropes like monkey jumps on branches. Skipped Woli entirely because I heard how dumb it was. Glad I was correct On that note how exactly has the author managed to score a gig like this where he writes a fairly low key boxing manga for twenty years and it hasn't been canned or ended by now? Is it just super popular in Japan?
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Apr 6, 2015 17:06
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Asuron posted:On that note how exactly has the author managed to score a gig like this where he writes a fairly low key boxing manga for twenty years and it hasn't been canned or ended by now? Is it just super popular in Japan? pre:Manga series Author(s) Publisher Demographic No. of collected volumes Serialized Approximate sales Hajime no Ippo George Morikawa Kodansha Shounen 108 1989–present 94 million
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Apr 6, 2015 18:17
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Asuron posted:Skipped Woli entirely because I heard how dumb it was. Glad I was correct
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Apr 6, 2015 18:58
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God drat it, I thought the stupid welp I've been taking a huge beating this whole match but I got one punch in and now my opponent's incredibly hurt" was reserved for ippo fights.
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Apr 6, 2015 19:04
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I like how he still hits as hard as he normally does, even though he's so tired he can barely move. And just twisting your fist is as good as landing a solid body blow. Goddamn, what a loving dumb manga. And I'm the bigger idiot for still reading this crap.
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Apr 6, 2015 22:59
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It's truly amazing that in real life boxing you don't see next-level techniques like giving your opponent's steel-clad abs an Indian burn. Truly this is the spirit of boxing.
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Asuron posted:That's fair enough. I haven't really read the chapters where the protagonists face off against mexican boxers except Ricardo, Gonzalez and now the current mook Sendou is fighting. I didn't think the Thai portrayal with Miyata at the start was bad, but I guess it got worse as time went on. It's not racism if it acknowledges the innate superiority of a mexican ubermensch to everyone else in the boxing world, that's just telling the truth.  I'm willing to give Morikawa a pass on black people, since being from Japan he's probably not dealt with many non-asians. Wolly, meanwhile, it's so hilariously racist no explanation I could imagine would suffice. On the other hand, Volg comes out as dignified and smart. And while Hawk was such a villain, he was followed by David Eagle, an almost heroic noble dude. Ricardo is a latino who is all chill and composed, almost too intellectual in his boxing. Which means that Morikawa can do characters from other nations that are not one-dimensional stereotypes. So what the hell?  Fabricated posted:It's way better early on, with Takamura's title matches, Kamogawa's post-war flashback, and Ippo vs. Sendo/Sawamura/etc. Still waiting for Takamura's next world title. What would the next high-flying bird be? Condor? Albatross?
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Woli was a ridiculous aberration bc he was trying to do an homage to that fight from ashita no joe, only in true fashion he left the lesson that joe learned from that fight for two fights and like 400 chapters later. Also anj did it wildly better I'm glad we've been on these two insanely inconsequential fights for months now when we knew they both would win so ippo could learn some banal lesson before watching takamura, yet again, fight a match in a weight class he's already won when he's got like four left to beat
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Apr 7, 2015 12:29
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Remember how the first time Ippo fought a black guy, the joke was that they were all terrified of him because racism, but he turned out to be a super chill guy who just loved his host family? Somehow the author has become less self-aware since then.
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I would read a manga where the only characters are Sendo, Kenpachi Zaraki, Piccolo, Zebra and say, Yotsuba. There wouldn't need to be anyone else.
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Apr 9, 2015 22:06
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KittenofDoom posted:I would read a manga where the only characters are Sendo, Kenpachi Zaraki, Piccolo, Zebra and say, Yotsuba. There wouldn't need to be anyone else. Did you ever read the Sendo spin-off?
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Apr 9, 2015 22:18
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KittenofDoom posted:I would read a manga where the only characters are Sendo, Kenpachi Zaraki, Piccolo, Zebra and say, Yotsuba. There wouldn't need to be anyone else. i wouldnt bc they'd quickly lose appeal as main characters, its better IMO to have the main cast that we do now, but when they are written well, which was the case for several hundred chapters and is utterly bizarre that it was thrown out the window at some poitn
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Apr 9, 2015 22:37
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Sendou's mostly great because he's a really good rival character for Ippo without being a stereotypical sports manga villain (see: Miyata). Which I think also means that he doesn't really work as well when we're supposed to be rooting for him against some random jerk.
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Apr 10, 2015 00:03
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So it's been quite a while. Anyone know what's going on in Ippoland?
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Jun 8, 2015 23:14
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disappointment.
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Jun 8, 2015 23:16
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There is likely a reason all translators seem to have abandoned Ippo.
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Jun 9, 2015 11:23
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The latest raws are in a Takamura fight which looks amazing. 
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Jun 9, 2015 11:38
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Oben posted:The latest raws are in a Takamura fight which looks amazing. is it a real one or is it one where he is mentally retarded for the first round, the second through eighth round are skipped, and he wins it with a lucky punch in the ninth or whatever
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Jun 9, 2015 20:06
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its not like the dialogue in ippo really matters
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Jun 9, 2015 20:47
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Jose posted:its not like the dialogue in ippo really matters But how will I know if Takamura is making a dick pun?
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Jun 9, 2015 22:11
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Huzzah! posted:But how will I know if Takamura is making a dick pun? A: If he is saying something with a very serious face and everyone else looked shocked/aghast/laughing, it's a dick pun.
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Jun 9, 2015 22:35
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Mangastream has three chapters up settling Sendo's fight. Good stuff Takamura is up next.
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Jun 17, 2015 20:43
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Am I getting this right? Ippo lost because he didn't believe in himself enough?
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Eh, I didn't like that Sendo fight at all. His opponent was well trained and had a great plan and basically did everything right. Sendo won by throwing wild brawling punches (which he wasn't able to utilize prior because....?) and doing some bizarre <one-inch punch. Having the protagonist or favored character win due to his burning spirit and what have you isn't inherently bad, but it doesn't work at all when you also spend a while explicitly talking about how the opponent has put in a bunch of effort and come up with a perfect plan to address his method of fighting. This seems to be a big trend in the more recent Ippo fights. Ippo/the favored character will have his weakness revealed by his opponent, and then will win by doubling down and just doing the same thing he was before harder. For fucks sake, all that he would have to do to make this manga good is to have these characters go "oh man, I need to change what I'm doing in order to fight this opponent." That's it! It's bizarre how resistant Morikawa seems to be to the idea of these characters genuinely improving.
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Jun 18, 2015 03:32
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I can't remember, has Sendo ever lost to anyone besides Ippo?
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I dip into this manga every couple of months to see if it's gotten better and every time I somehow get the underlying message that the winner of a fight won because he was Japanese and the other guy was only Philipino or Malay, which is clearly only Japanese light. Maybe I'm seeing stuff that's not there, but it's a really unpleasant feeling to get everytime I see a fight go down.
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Nilbop posted:I dip into this manga every couple of months to see if it's gotten better and every time I somehow get the underlying message that the winner of a fight won because he was Japanese and the other guy was only Philipino or Malay, which is clearly only Japanese light. The manga has been crap for ages, but reading racism into it is really stupid. They need non japanese challengers because everyone has become too strong for domestic boxers, and they all win because the writing is bad and doesnt let the boxers grow as athletes, not because of the superiority of the japanese race.
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Well, I don't think that part is racist, but things like Woli being a primitive monkey man and the two black boxers so far being 1. an overbearingly kindhearted, simple man and 2. a lazy, extremely horny shithead are pretty bad
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Hypocrisy posted:Am I getting this right? Ippo lost because he didn't believe in himself enough? they mean he lacks ambition, but yes. he sets goals he can achieve, not goals that drive him to refuse to lose. just another case of "Ippo is fuckin' Meek"
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DoubleDonut posted:Well, I don't think that part is racist, but things like Woli being a primitive monkey man and the two black boxers so far being 1. an overbearingly kindhearted, simple man and 2. a lazy, extremely horny shithead are pretty bad Really perpetuating the hosed up "black people are nice and cool and everyone wants to be friends with them" stereotype, I agree. And I don't know what other black boxer you're talking about, because the guy Volg fought was a serious athlete with great sportsmanship who wanted a fair fight.
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K. Flaps posted:Really perpetuating the hosed up "black people are nice and cool and everyone wants to be friends with them" stereotype, I agree. And I don't know what other black boxer you're talking about, because the guy Volg fought was a serious athlete with great sportsmanship who wanted a fair fight. Bryan Hawk. Yeah, no problem with the two flavors of black people: horny gangsters or kind idiots! Edit: Like, Ippo is scared of Ozma when he first sees his picture solely based on the fact that he's black, and is then shocked when Ozma turns out to not be terrifying and violent in person Also I had forgotten about the guy Volg fought, my bad DoubleDonut fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Jun 18, 2015 |
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DoubleDonut posted:Bryan Hawk. Three. Kind idiots, horny gangsters, competent world champion technical boxer
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DoubleDonut posted:Bryan Hawk. Really hosed up of the manga to show that the perception of black people as violent thugs is wrong, yeah. I also don't know why you think Ozma was an idiot! but whatever. He was just very nice.
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So you're just gonna ignore the Indonesian guy being a feral child and Bryan Hawk being Birth of a Nation rolled up into one character, I guess
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Wow, Oskar Schindler learns over the course of the movie that Jews aren't subhuman animals and changes his point of view? Who let Spielberg direct this nazi propaganda? I can't believe you forced me to defend a hajime no Ippo.
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Jun 18, 2015 09:04
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Yes, Ozma teaches Ippo that black people aren't all violent thugs. And then the next black guy to show up turns out to be a violent thug
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DoubleDonut posted:So you're just gonna ignore the Indonesian guy being a feral child and Bryan Hawk being Birth of a Nation rolled up into one character, I guess Bryan Hawk was an over the top villain. He didn't wander around blasting hip hop from his iPhone calling takamura his nigga.
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