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Cerekk posted:I do know how photos get on Explore (and those types of groups significantly, and all groups in general somewhat penalize the chance to get on Explore BTW, that's why the vast majority of Explored photos are in no groups at all). I also acknowledge that there's probably more tone-mapped sunsets on there than any one person needs to see. But I like some of it, and I find a lot of people to follow by sifting through Explore for stuff I like. There's a lot on there that I don't like too, some because it's legitimately bad, and some just because it's not my style. You are pretty whiny and it sounds like you probably have bad taste in photography, so sorry to hear that. What you are looking for is a camera club, a place where you go to pat each other on the back and say nice things about everyone's photos then after that have a chat about megapixels and lenses. You might even be able to share a few knowing jokes about "art" with each other.
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Cerekk posted:but I bought my gear about two years later than I would have if the first place I'd gone had been /r/photography instead of The Dorkroom. This argument has more or less ran its course, but I wanted to touch on this specific point, because that's specifically what I did. Back when I first went to college this was the kind of poo poo I was taking:  Deep Cove by Geektox, on Flickr^^It's a bad, out of focus, single-JPG HDR job done in GIMP (lol) This photo got between 100 upvotes or some poo poo, and some guy even paid me $20 for it for his online travel guide, but that's an objectively bad picture. /r/photography is a bad echo chamber, the worst that's going to happen to you there is that it won't be upvoted, eventually once I stopped getting a regular stream of upvoted pictures I dropped the hobby without really improving. Since I started posting in the Dorkroom after picking the hobby back up again, I went from this:  Five Fingers by Geektox, on Flickrto this: Geektox posted:
It's an improvement I'm personally extremely happy with, and while I'm still a hobbyist with no plans to go pro in any foreseeable future, Dorkroom's brand of hostile critique helps hell of a lot more than just posting in a forum with weak or no critique at all. Plus the dorkroom has expanded the amount of photography I can appreciate vastly, not the other way around.
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Geektox posted:This argument has more or less ran its course, but I wanted to touch on this specific point, because that's specifically what I did. Back when I first went to college this was the kind of poo poo I was taking... I don't have a problem with legitimate critique, but you and LargeHadron are the only people that have responded with actual constructive criticism compared to half a dozen people that responded with personal attacks, in reply to a complaint that The Dorkroom is frequently hostile to newbie photographers. That's not really going to make me change my position. Constructive criticism: fantastic. But there's no reason to just straight up chase off people that don't fit a rigid mold. People can enjoy photography and have an improved quality of life from having a hobby even if they are bad at it. And it's possible to encourage those people to improve in a way that is both helpful and respectful. When constructive criticism crosses the line into unproductive attacks, all it does is discourage people from enjoying their hobby. Nobody ever improved as a photographer by not taking pictures.
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I don't know what hostility you're even talking about. I started posting here when I was new and I posted some pretty terrible photos. One dude in one post made some pretty harsh but valid critique and everyone else was totally reasonable but honest in their critiques and it helped me get a lot better.
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Cerekk posted:But there's no reason to just straight up chase off people that don't fit a rigid mold. then stop posting
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Cerekk posted:When constructive criticism crosses the line into unproductive attacks, all it does is discourage people from enjoying their hobby. Nobody ever improved as a photographer by not taking pictures. If "unproductive attacks" are preventing you from enjoying your hobby, that's on you. Like anything else in life, take the useful poo poo and ignore the rest. If you can't gain anything from this thread (which I doubt, but it's possible), then skip over it I guess.
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Cerekk posted:I don't have a problem with legitimate critique, but you and LargeHadron are the only people that have responded with actual constructive criticism compared to half a dozen people that responded with personal attacks, in reply to a complaint that The Dorkroom is frequently hostile to newbie photographers. That's not really going to make me change my position. None of their critiques were illegitimate. You just need thicker skin. Post more, a lot more, ask for help, take it all in, read about photography (not about gear) and read critiques. You will get better and you will appreciate the harsh words you got here.
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Cerekk posted:I don't have a problem with legitimate critique, but you and LargeHadron are the only people that have responded with actual constructive criticism compared to half a dozen people that responded with personal attacks, in reply to a complaint that The Dorkroom is frequently hostile to newbie photographers. That's not really going to make me change my position. Useful critique isn't going to spare your precious feelings  Here's a critique of your posting: it's bad.
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News flash, everyones posting is bad. Can we go back to posting sexy rocks now?
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MrBlandAverage posted:It's pretty clear that you didn't know this, but photos on Explore are on there because of the number and speed of the faves and comments they get. That's why GOLD STAR FAV 5 COMMENT 1 groups are a thing that people use to get their terrible photos into Explore. Huh, I did not know that. bobmarleysghost posted:Did he (365) toxx himself to only post constructive comments for 2015 or was that 2014? That was this year. bobmarleysghost posted:Bland snow it is Sick, I would love to have a little print of this with a big mat...
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365 Nog Hogger posted:Huh, I did not know that. Everyone loves to game the system, look how fast 500px turned into a lovely site through all the meta-gaming.
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NASA is trying to promote its New Horizons mission to Pluto, which will make its closest approach next month. They've got a project called Pluto Time, which is getting people to go out and take pictures when the twilight is about the same brightness as the noontime sun on Pluto. I tried my hand at it this morning, got some bonus fog: Pluto Time by Justin Cowart, on Flickr  Pluto Time by Justin Cowart, on Flickr
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Dread Head posted:News flash, everyones posting is bad. Can we go back to posting sexy trees now?
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Cerekk posted:Please tell me why my pictures are bad. I mostly take pictures of things that look neat and/or pretty but I feel like I have no eye for what makes a picture "good." Cerekk posted:I don't have a problem with legitimate critique, but you and LargeHadron are the only people that have responded with actual constructive criticism compared to half a dozen people that responded with personal attacks, in reply to a complaint that The Dorkroom is frequently hostile to newbie photographers. That's not really going to make me change my position. i know ill get probed or something bc discussing the philosophical merits of something as intangible as "valid criticism" or "art" are endless pursuits that steer threads into a turbid emotional storms there isn't invalid criticism, generally speaking. if someone rear end in a top hat startles you by pushing his way through a bush while you're walking down the street and whispers "you suck at taking photos of people and your photos aren't interesting to anyone with a critical eye" into your ear... you say "gently caress off" and start thinking about how to start taking better photos of people and consider how to maybe take photos that don't make you feel defensive and emotional when someone says they aren't interesting, and call the police maybe people mistake critical hostility for "scaring away newcomers", but really it's just a useful and polarizing attitude for filtering out the noise known as "people who dont want to improve" anyone who's actually around to become a better photographer will let scathing, hastily written critiques slide off their back and still keep coming back for more. anyone who can't take it will stop posting and probably wasn't actually that interested in becoming a better photographer anyways. sharing your work in places like this is about getting feedback whether you like it or not. it is antithetical to the spirit of this silly place to wish it otherwise. "legitimate critique" is farcical. a cyberpunk goose fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Jun 10, 2015 |
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Mido posted:i know ill get probed or something bc discussing the philosophical merits of something as intangible as "valid criticism" or "art" are endless pursuits that steer threads into a turbid emotional storms this poo poo needs to be on page one.
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Only vaguely related to the conversation at hand but almost this exact thing happened to me the other day. Waiting at a pedestrian crossing my Mamiya 7 and tripod strapped to my back this little old fucker sidled up to me and whispered in my ear "Give up now ya fucken' amateur" then scurried across the red light to sit on a bench on the other side of the road to roll a durry. Naturally my first reaction was laughter which seemed to make him angrier, when I asked him why he was such a salty fucker he told me to "Go home to mummy and get a warm milk". It wasn't really discouraging, more confusing.
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Haught posted:Only vaguely related to the conversation at hand but almost this exact thing happened to me the other day. Waiting at a pedestrian crossing my Mamiya 7 and tripod strapped to my back this little old fucker sidled up to me and whispered in my ear "Give up now ya fucken' amateur" then scurried across the red light to sit on a bench on the other side of the road to roll a durry. Naturally my first reaction was laughter which seemed to make him angrier, when I asked him why he was such a salty fucker he told me to "Go home to mummy and get a warm milk". It wasn't really discouraging, more confusing. I always figured that ansel autisms scurried.
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Haught posted:Only vaguely related to the conversation at hand but almost this exact thing happened to me the other day. Waiting at a pedestrian crossing my Mamiya 7 and tripod strapped to my back this little old fucker sidled up to me and whispered in my ear "Give up now ya fucken' amateur" then scurried across the red light to sit on a bench on the other side of the road to roll a durry. Naturally my first reaction was laughter which seemed to make him angrier, when I asked him why he was such a salty fucker he told me to "Go home to mummy and get a warm milk". It wasn't really discouraging, more confusing. I really hope this is a true story.
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deaders posted:I really hope this is a true story. 100% true. I live in semi-rural Queensland though, so being insulted by random strangers is pretty everyday stuff.
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This forum is a godsend. It helped me learn that my photos are bad. Now I shoot with intent. Have a bad photo with intent.  Scream eggs, let fly by Niamh O'Donovan, on Flickr Have another.  Inside a Bus Station by Niamh O'Donovan, on Flickr
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Cerekk posted:I don't have a problem with legitimate critique, but you and LargeHadron are the only people that have responded with actual constructive criticism compared to half a dozen people that responded with personal attacks, in reply to a complaint that The Dorkroom is frequently hostile to newbie photographers. That's not really going to make me change my position. You should come over to my forums! It's a safe space to talk about gear and what kind of photos you can take with your gear.
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LargeHadron posted:Nice Yeah that's fuckin' dope.
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TACTICAL SANDALS posted:Crosspostin in the cool thread for cool dudes my fave as well vvvvv: 
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