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kalstrams posted:by the way, what's up with go? saw today some article "why golang is doomed to succeed" and realised that i have no clue about it. it's only real selling point is that it's not java. java8 is better in just about every conceivable way but no one got twitter famous writing libraries for java
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:this is also a good demonstration of why rust is good lol actually at this point in time the biggest rust downside is you can''t actually program useful things in it unless you like doing everything yourself without using libraries. haskell has a package on hackage for everything
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fart simpson posted:lol actually at this point in time the biggest rust downside is you can''t actually program useful things in it unless you like doing everything yourself without using libraries. haskell has a package on hackage for everything yeah for sure but we'll see how it looks in 2 or 3 years
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can I use rust on an msp430
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I'll start the compiler
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alternate response: I'm the msp430 user ityool2015
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Bloody posted:alternate response: I'm the msp430 user ityool2015 Its me
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you know you can just use an arm
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find me a cortex m0+ taht goes to 125c and draws less than 1 ma at 4 mhz and costs less than a buck
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Jun 14, 2015 03:05
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it;s me im the guy who is going to get stuck using an msp430 in AD 2015 because we're haggling over a dollar of bom cost in a product that will sell for like a grand
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Jun 14, 2015 03:07
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is there an ultra low power arm option? I hate TI and msp430s so much
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our luxury division seems like it'd be fun to work for because their boms include like $75 for the owners manual and $200 for packaging
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more like dICK posted:is there an ultra low power arm option? I hate TI and msp430s so much st micros lowest marketed power draw for an idle mode is an order of magnitude above the msp's datasheet maximum
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more like dICK posted:is there an ultra low power arm option? I hate TI and msp430s so much depends on what you mean by low power. some of the new nxp m0+ chips have pretty good active mode power (useful if you want 'low power' because you're a 2-wire device on a loop), but i don't think any of them will beat an msp in applications where you ahve a low duty cycle and are in a sleep/hibernate mode most of the time squeezing a billion years of life from a coin cell or whatever
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Jun 14, 2015 03:42
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st micro is selling arm chips that have advertised power draw in the same general envelope as msp430 STM32L151 series: 300 nA standby, 214 microamps active msp430 series: 500 nA standby, 195 microamps active unsurprisingly they don't seem to be significantly faster than an msp430
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do note i don't actually work with embedded anything i just felt like googling data sheets
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agh I always forget about bom. we care about it literally never do its like not even on the bottom of my concerns list
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EnergyMicro EFM32 is rly nice (but it has a 24-bit RTC. That's literally the worst thing I can say about it) but they got bought out by some other shitbird silicon manufacturer since I finished my masters so gently caress know what it's like now also Blotto Skorzany posted:it;s me im the guy who is going to get stuck using an stm8 in AD 2015 because we're haggling over a dollar of bom cost in a product that will sell maybe 10,000 units and we had to buy a $10,000 IAR license to develop for it (tbf though the stm8 actually isn't that bad. it's actually more or less 16-bit which means no colored pointers thank god) e: oh god they got bought out by silabs 
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Jun 14, 2015 17:11
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I wonder if we're ever going to get megabytes worth of on-chip SRAM for cheap because at that point you're an MPU away from getting Linux all over your "microcontroller" and that's gonna get real interesting real quick
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Jun 14, 2015 17:18
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isn't it the number of transistors that counts, and more ram = more transistors, therefore more expensive? because then it will be forever cheaper to make mcs with as little memory as possible
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I'm reading some go source and it looks like it has some nice and easy ways of doing concurrency. I can see why people are picking the language up. it mostly makes me want to see c# available on linux sooner without mono fuckery.
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fleshweasel posted:I'm reading some go source and it looks like it has some nice and easy ways of doing concurrency. I can see why people are picking the language up. it mostly makes me want to see c# available on linux sooner without mono fuckery. go's concurrency is the good part
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fleshweasel posted:I'm reading some go source and it looks like it has some nice and easy ways of doing concurrency. I can see why people are picking the language up. it mostly makes me want to see c# available on linux sooner without mono fuckery. Without trying to start an operating systems debate, is c# really not available on Linux? I don't know much about the language but that seems pretty surprising to me, even if it is developed by Microsoft. What about OS X?
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there is mono, but it's not 100% compatible
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Wheany posted:isn't it the number of transistors that counts, and more ram = more transistors, therefore more expensive? Yeah, but economies of scale pay a big part. People want more ram, so production goes up, so they can sell it for cheaper and enter the markets where price matters more, so production goes up, so the price comes down… You eventually get to the point where two chips have the same price, but one has twice the ram.
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Edison was a dick posted:You eventually get to the point where two chips have the same price, but one has twice the ram. yea, like an attiny88 is cheaper than a attiny48
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VikingofRock posted:Without trying to start an operating systems debate, is c# really not available on Linux? I don't know much about the language but that seems pretty surprising to me, even if it is developed by Microsoft. What about OS X? until recently .net was closed source. mono is a clean(ish) room reimplementation, it lagged behind and was significantly slower in some ways (their TPL implementation was much worse) - MS occasionally contributed to the project but not that much, so it was usually behind by a revision or two v recently, MS released .net as open source, paving the way for Linux/OS X implementations. it doesn't run there quite yet but it is now much "safer" to learn the language if you intend to develop for those platforms because the future is pretty clear
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i tried using the brew mono package to build something, but importing another dll proved ridiculous and i gave up and used a VM it's pretty easy to get a c# hello world up and running tho
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java works on linux and osx just fine
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Mr Dog posted:e: oh god they got bought out by silabs ahahahahahahaah
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Go was invented by a company that got mad at Python while still being stuck on a 9-year old version of it.
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Dessert Rose posted:v recently, MS released .net as open source, im the 36k lines of code garbage collector in a single source file https://raw.githubusercontent.com/dotnet/coreclr/master/src/gc/gc.cpp
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Zlodo posted:im the 36k lines of code garbage collector in a single source file apparently the vim codebase is like this. files with multiple thousands of lines of code each
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you sometimes see it in interpreter loops, but that GC is something special. (not that I've looked at the code to see how I'd split it up or anything.)
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Zlodo posted:im the 36k lines of code garbage collector in a single source file aren't they doing a machine translation of this to go soon? ~self hosting~
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Zlodo posted:im the 36k lines of code garbage collector in a single source file i keep finding new favorite bits code:
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c# on linux will be legit when they port corefx, right now its useless. they're also rolling all this poo poo into mono https://trello.com/b/vRPTMfdz/net-framework-integration-into-mono my stepdads beer posted:aren't they doing a machine translation of this to go soon? ~self hosting~ yes microsoft is rewriting the .net garbage collector in go
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although theres no date, it just says it will be on linux and osx in a few months. how can you even tell its all done? https://github.com/dotnet/corefx
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pram posted:yes microsoft is rewriting the .net garbage collector in go But who garbage collects for the garbage collector?
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