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SunAndSpring posted:The disconnect between what Todd Howard wants (a good story that meshes perfectly with open-ended and open-world gameplay) and what Todd has done (forced the player to have a set voice and restrictive backstory, as well as restricting dialogue to just 4 buttons) is about as wide and vast as the Grand Canyon. Part of me now wants the voiced guy to be just the tutorial guy, and that we wind up with the good ol' Player Created
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OwlFancier posted:Why not? Not to the same extent that you can in New Vegas, and the concessions Obsidian made were for better reasons, and ended up in service of a much better story, than the more extreme ones in 3 and likely 4.
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Jun 18, 2015 05:06
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Alpha Protocol did the same thing. That dialogue system doesn't sound too bad.
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Jun 18, 2015 05:06
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A. Beaverhausen posted:Oh my god, it's the Dragons Age 2 personality system. This is loving hilarious. Please, please, please let one of the four colors respond to
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Jun 18, 2015 05:07
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Sankis posted:Alpha Protocol did the same thing. Do you trust Bethesda to handle it like Alpha Protocol, or like Bioware Ala DA2? Random rear end in a top hat posted:Please, please, please let one of the four colors respond to We can only hope. It was the only way to play that mess.
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Jun 18, 2015 05:07
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X: I WANT TO BE A SUPERMUTANT.
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Jun 18, 2015 05:08
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quote:"Boston like atmosphere where the player gets to experience a true Boston vibe. In order to do this, we created NPCs to speak with a Boston accent. Also the names and spelling of locations and settlements are affected by this". I wonder what this even means, are we going to visit places with manmade signs that say "Hahbah Town" and "Gahden Pawk"? Are weapons going to be labeled "Fwowty-Fwowr Megnahm" or "Powah Fist"? I mean that's pretty hilarious on top of being kind of lame.
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Jun 18, 2015 05:10
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i'm not american, can someone link an example of 'Boston accent' for me??
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Jun 18, 2015 05:13
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SunAndSpring posted:The disconnect between what Todd Howard wants (a good story that meshes perfectly with open-ended and open-world gameplay) and what Todd has done (forced the player to have a set voice and restrictive backstory, as well as restricting dialogue to just 4 buttons) is about as wide and vast as the Grand Canyon. The man emphasized how important player agency was to them, in the same discussion about how they gave you a voice and a set back story so they could tell an amazing story that they wanted.
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Jun 18, 2015 05:15
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Lotish posted:Walking 'cross the desert, when suddenly Boone caps someone I don't even see, and suddenly I'm Khan enemy number 1. This would only happen if you'd equipped Boone with a missile launcher and whatever enemy he saw happened to be near to where a Khan was standing.
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Jun 18, 2015 05:16
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:Please, please, please let one of the four colors respond to And the player character's face needs to contort the same way as snarky Hawke.
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Jun 18, 2015 05:17
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Nuebot posted:The man emphasized how important player agency was to them, in the same discussion about how they gave you a voice and a set back story so they could tell an amazing story that they wanted. Those two don't really mix. There is no player agency with the color coded system they've boxed us into. E: Seriously, who the hell looks at anything DA2 did and say to themselves 'this is a good idea, let's do this' A. Beaverhausen fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Jun 18, 2015 |
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frajaq posted:i'm not american, can someone link an example of 'Boston accent' for me?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbK4cL3QSc0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wBpSWxPo6 It's hard to find ones that seem real on youtube. edit: A fake one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij0_V-Vk9kE Sankis fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Jun 18, 2015 |
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Jun 18, 2015 05:25
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Suck it Bioware, we have four colors.
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A. Beaverhausen posted:Those two don't really mix. There is no player agency with the color coded system they've boxed us into. Todd "You'll Won't Hear Repeat Voice Actors In Skyrim" Howard.
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King Vidiot posted:I wonder what this even means, are we going to visit places with manmade signs that say "Hahbah Town" and "Gahden Pawk"? Are weapons going to be labeled "Fwowty-Fwowr Megnahm" or "Powah Fist"? We can only gain these mythical weapons after learning the thicker Southie tribe accents by banging our heads against conversation choices until we get enough speech/knowing perks. Once this is done, we bump into a grown rear end Biwwy who is both a high tier settler and companion here to bust some sick moves and be adorable.
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Jun 18, 2015 05:38
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frajaq posted:i'm not american, can someone link an example of 'Boston accent' for me?? Just imagine a bad impression of an Irish accent and make it more shouty.
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I'm so glad the conversation has looped back around to my favorite topic, which is what a horrendously lovely decision it was to spend years and who knows how much money recording tens of thousands of lines of dialogue nobody expected, asked for, or wanted, in service of a futile attempt to wring the tiniest bit of emotional depth from awful Bethesda writing.
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Jun 18, 2015 05:45
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Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:I'm so glad the conversation has looped back around to my favorite topic, which is what a horrendously lovely decision it was to spend years and who knows how much money recording tens of thousands of lines of dialogue nobody expected, asked for, or wanted, in service of a futile attempt to wring the tiniest bit of emotional depth from awful Bethesda writing. B button Red (Mean) response: no u (Award winning story brought to you by Bethesda) Think of your dead wiiife. Think of your dead chiiiiild feel something
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Jun 18, 2015 05:47
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A. Beaverhausen posted:Those two don't really mix. There is no player agency with the color coded system they've boxed us into. How many dialogue choices do you get on average in New Vegas in each section where you make a choice? Not including "Tell me about these backstory topics", because even Mass Effect just let you switch to a new section of the dialogue wheel to ask about those. Actual times where you need to make a choice in the dialogue tree.
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A. Beaverhausen posted:B button Red (Mean) response: no u "Should have eaten that baby when I had the chance!" 
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chitoryu12 posted:How many dialogue choices do you get on average in New Vegas in each section where you make a choice? Not including "Tell me about these backstory topics", because even Mass Effect just let you switch to a new section of the dialogue wheel to ask about those. Actual times where you need to make a choice in the dialogue tree. It was certainly more than blue red and green
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Jun 18, 2015 05:56
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chitoryu12 posted:How many dialogue choices do you get on average in New Vegas in each section where you make a choice? Not including "Tell me about these backstory topics", because even Mass Effect just let you switch to a new section of the dialogue wheel to ask about those. Actual times where you need to make a choice in the dialogue tree. I don't think anyone's going to count them out for you, because that's a bit silly, but there are situations that allow for more choices than this system does, inherently.
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2house2fly posted:I don't think it's mentioned in the game anywhere (may be cut dialogue) but the lead dev mentioned it a couple of times; it's mainly just a bit of Lore to help explain why the NCR dollar is falling out of favour and everyone uses caps. it comes up in the loading screen iirc
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A. Beaverhausen posted:B button Red (Mean) response: no u Y button Yellow (Snark) response: I'm feeling something alright. Also, wasn't the entirety of the Fallout protagonists "not-voiced but technically canonically speaks and can have a variety of traits"? chitoryu12 posted:How many dialogue choices do you get on average in New Vegas in each section where you make a choice? Not including "Tell me about these backstory topics", because even Mass Effect just let you switch to a new section of the dialogue wheel to ask about those. Actual times where you need to make a choice in the dialogue tree. One that immediately springs to mind is that dickbag event in North Vegas. Doesn't matter if you got 7 Perception or 7 Intelligence: you fail to convince the guy and he busts you for illegal poo poo, leading to you having to kill him. More specifically, Legatus' fight can be waived off a variety of ways. All of which say "Legion overextended, get the gently caress back East", by the way. And even fuckin' Ulysses can be talked out of a fight. Sorta. You need to be real evil, a Legion supporter, or learn some poo poo from all his tapes. Long story short: A good chunk of major choices in the game have a fight on the table. But only a few choices have the fight be inevitable.
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I love that the new Todd Howard voice acting interview is bragging about how lines can be delivered in eight different ways. Wowie! Do you know how many they can be read in? edit: widespread posted:Also, wasn't the entirety of the Fallout protagonists "not-voiced but technically canonically speaks and can have a variety of traits"? Yep, since day 1 that's been the way the series goes. Unless I'm misremembering FO1 and FO2 will even occasionally have your character say poo poo without your input, but because it's not voiced nothing like that ever pulled me out the way, say, Shepard and Hawke constantly reminded me that they were always the same boring character named Shepard or Hawke. Pretzel Rod Serling fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Jun 18, 2015 |
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A. Beaverhausen posted:B button Red (Mean) response: no u Blue Button: Cry over dead family. Red Button: Laugh at dead family. Yellow Button: Make a joke.
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Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:Yep, since day 1 that's been the way the series goes. Unless I'm misremembering FO1 and FO2 will even occasionally have your character say poo poo without your input, but because it's not voiced nothing like that ever pulled me out the way, say, Shepard and Hawke constantly reminded me that they were always the same boring character named Shepard or Hawke. If that be the case, then what the gently caress is Todd Howard doing. Buuuut, if this means we can possibly get a snarky cannibal out of this new guy- i.e. one who quips as he eats flesh to
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The only good voice-acted create-a-protagonists were in Saints Row and even then I got bored of replaying like three hours in and put the game down for years
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widespread posted:If that be the case, then what the gently caress is Todd Howard doing. Imagine it "Care to lend me a hand?" He'll turn and wink at the camera before he starts eating his fallen opponent.
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Generic Monk posted:the average person does not have even a little computer proficiency beyond day-to-day tasks and you're a fool if you think otherwise. the android barrier to entry is nowhere near the iphone barrier to entry. and no you can't sync cracked apps to non-jailbroken phones. okay but the average person isn't pirating apps, on either platform so idk what your point is. there has to be a base level of proficiency for piracy to even occur to someone and if you can download an exe and run it you can jailbreak your phone.  It's easy as gently caress. Yeah it's one additional step that you have to do the first time but that extra step isn't hard. Anyway first of all quote:On Android though? 34,091 copies were stolen. what an oddly specific number. Second of all no poo poo there's more piracy in sheer numbers on Android; more people have an Android because you can get an Android phone for less than $100.
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Nuebot posted:Imagine it "Care to lend me a hand?" He'll turn and wink at the camera before he starts eating his fallen opponent. The expense of voicing this protagonist will be completely worth it if you can make procedurally-generated puns based on which enemy limb you just crippled/blew off. "That's one way to get a head of the competition!  "
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Yaos posted:Your dialogue choices change your character personality, although it's not clear what this means; maybe replacement for karma? This sounds really bad. It sounds like I'm going to be locked into saying things a certain way just because of stuff I said in the past. It reminds me of how Mass Effect punished you for not going full Paragon or full Renegade, only this seems even worse because it will take even more control away from you. And color-coding responses? How dumb do they think we are? Of course, I'll bet a major reason for that is to compensate for "GET FOOD" and the like. So to make up for a bad mechanic, they give us another bad mechanic. Great. Bethesda is really trying to be Bioware, aren't they?
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Praetorian Mage posted:Bethesda is really trying to be Bioware, aren't they? The worst parts of it too apparently.
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widespread posted:One that immediately springs to mind is that dickbag event in North Vegas. Doesn't matter if you got 7 Perception or 7 Intelligence: you fail to convince the guy and he busts you for illegal poo poo, leading to you having to kill him. That's not really what I was asking. The current criticism is that having four dialogue options at each time you can talk available will somehow greatly restrict player choice. Never mind that we haven't confirmed this is the case, but I was asking how many times in Fallout 3 and New Vegas you were given a new choice in the dialogue tree and it had more than 3 or 4 options. I'm not including the parts where you open new branches of the tree like asking "What's the NCR?" of Trudy, because that's not really a thing to do with player agency and games with a similar system (like Mass Effect) just replaced one option with "More..." or something to let you change the menu and view more options.
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Remember when I said the writing will try to punish you for not caring about your family? How much do you want to bet wanting to move away from that backstory will correspond to choosing red dialogue options, which will build up your "evil" meter, which will lead to you being an rear end in a top hat in other conversations, completely against your will?
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Praetorian Mage posted:Like, remember when I said the writing will try to punish you for not caring about your family? How much do you want to bet wanting to move away from that backstory will correspond to choosing red dialogue options, which will build up your "evil" meter, which will lead to you being an rear end in a top hat in other conversations? Abandoning your family makes you a bad person.
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I don't think 'trying to get away from your backstory' will hold up favorably in divorce proceedings.
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Sharkopath posted:Abandoning your family makes you a bad person. Sure, but I never wanted a family in the first place. God forbid I want to define my character's identity for myself in a genre where that's one of the selling points.
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Praetorian Mage posted:Sure, but I never wanted a family in the first place. God forbid I want to define my character's identity for myself in a genre where that's one of the selling points. You have a family now, and a child, it would be very irresponsible to up and leave them after you made this family in the first place.
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