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DoubleDonut posted:Yes, Ozma teaches Ippo that black people aren't all violent thugs. And then the next black guy to show up turns out to be a violent thug It's been a while but wasn't Hawk basically just an American Takamura?
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It's bad when black guys are nice to people and everyone loves them and it's bad when black guys are evil villains who everyone hates. The sensible choice would've been to never include any black athletes in this manga about professional boxing.
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Jun 18, 2015 09:09
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K. Flaps posted:Bryan Hawk was an over the top villain. He didn't wander around blasting hip hop from his iPhone calling takamura his nigga. He's an absurdly lazy black guy who can only think about sex and violence. Are you just not familiar with stereotypes or something K. Flaps posted:It's bad when black guys are nice to people and everyone loves them and it's bad when black guys are evil villains who everyone hates. The sensible choice would've been to never include any black athletes in this manga about professional boxing. It is in fact bad when in a manga about loving boxing has exactly two black characters show up for over a decade and one is based around "surprisingly, not violent" and the other one is based around "lazy and violent," yes
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Jun 18, 2015 09:11
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No it's okay guys, Ozma is "one of the good ones"
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Jun 18, 2015 09:13
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There were three black boxers in major and long fights and at least another three got blasted by takamura in very short fights. I still like how you see "main character learns a lesson about not being racist" as very racist.
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K. Flaps posted:There were three black boxers in major and long fights and at least another three got blasted by takamura in very short fights. I still like how you see "main character learns a lesson about not being racist" as very racist. It isn't a lesson when the very next black guy to show up validates his original loving fears, dude
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Jun 18, 2015 09:14
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DoubleDonut posted:It isn't a lesson when the very next black guy to show up validates his original loving fears, dude You have brain damage. I'm out.
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Jun 18, 2015 09:15
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K. Flaps posted:You have brain damage. I'm out. nah he's right about this is it really crazy thinking the xenophobic japanese cant write a black character?
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Jun 18, 2015 09:39
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Garrand posted:It's been a while but wasn't Hawk basically just an American Takamura? Yes
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Jun 18, 2015 12:46
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Morikawa is an old fart and the Japanese aren't exactly the most racially sensitive people ever even today, so yeah Ippo has bunch of casual racism with no gross intent behind it. Mostly the usual stuff of Mexicans having "innate rhythm" and black people having special punch muscles and all other Asians being pitiable and dirty/dumb.
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Jun 18, 2015 13:16
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Ozma and the dude that Worg fought were both pretty normal people portrayed fairly well. Woli was indefensible. Bryan Hawk was a straight up villain and I doubt he would have been any different no matter what race / nationality he was. He's closer to Takamura's character than the other two black boxers who got more than 1-2 pages in the manga if that helps. So yeah like Fabricated said, old dude just throwing stuff out there and probably doesn't even realize that it's racist at all because I doubt it's something he really has ever been challenged about in his own country. Also, this poo poo? This is the good stuff:  
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Jun 18, 2015 13:50
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more specifically he was a takamura w/o the coach's influence. which is why he was better not bc hes japanese and not black
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Jun 18, 2015 13:55
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K. Flaps posted:Bryan Hawk was an over the top villain. He didn't wander around blasting hip hop from his iPhone calling takamura his nigga. this made me crack up btw
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also w/r/t woli, which i hate writing this bc that fight was the worst thing in the entire manga, he's really specifically a reference to the wild guy whos name i forget from ashita no joe. theres no harm meant there despite the fact that it might seem a lil racist or whatever, the author is just pointedly making a call back to a famous fight, meaning to hit the same story beats, as the other most popular boxing manga of all time.
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Jun 18, 2015 13:58
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Hey where the hell is translating Ippo? Kind of stopped reading when Mangastream stopped with the translations.
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I find it very very surreal that after 25 years of Ippo's philosophy working almost perfectly, and never being called into question, he's suddenly just now having doubts. The protagonist is having second thoughts a quarter-century of real time into the story and I have no idea what he's going for with this.
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DoubleDonut posted:He's an absurdly lazy black guy who can only think about sex and violence. Are you just not familiar with stereotypes or something It's not really clear what Hawk's racial background is, given that he seems to have straight blonde hair (and there's no indication he dyes it), is from New York City, based off an English boxer with parents from Yemen, drawn by a Japanese author, and his ring wear has a bunch of vaguely Native American? looking tassles all over it. OnimaruXLR fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Jun 18, 2015 |
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Jun 18, 2015 18:01
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Hawk is post racial
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That Works posted:
yeah, I saw that and was like "holy poo poo was the just imagery or did sendo seriously just spirit tiger that dude's head off?" nehezir fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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Jun 19, 2015 00:06
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Some new chapters have gone up in various places completely out of order. It looks like...the Takamura fight is...good? Like there's actual boxing?
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Jul 8, 2015 21:48
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It has been surprisingly good. I can't name a match with Takamura that was bad though. He always tends to get the best ones.
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Shindragon posted:It has been surprisingly good. I can't name a match with Takamura that was bad though. He always tends to get the best ones. That's because he's also a good character who also happens to be a *gasp* competent and intelligent boxer that knows how to adapt. Like, the manga is called first step because Ippo has been stuck on it for 25 years. Goddamn, get a fight outside Japan you assholes, Takamura & Co in Las Vegas would be hilarious.
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Jul 9, 2015 08:09
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Amazing, he did something and it didn't work so instead he's changing it up to see what does instead of rushing in over and over again to try and brute force it. This'll probably be the best fight in ages. I don't know if I want to read this piecemeal or just wait the 7 months it'll take to finish and read it all at once.
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Jul 9, 2015 09:08
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Chapter 1099 and  1100 are outThat face when the coach asks him if he has a plan. Takamura is always the best
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Jul 15, 2015 04:59
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Was the Sendo fight worth reading through or does someone just want to tell me where the Takamura fight starts?
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Jul 15, 2015 05:01
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Sendo is the antagonist In that fight, but i suppose it's ok quality.
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Jul 15, 2015 12:12
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Think 4 new chapters just dropped and holy poo poo I forgot how good this series can be when it's about actual boxing 
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I dunno, it's part-good and part regardless of what happens with the opponent, Takamura is an unstoppable genius superman who can master any style instantly. "Since Takamura took a few hits, he won't be afraid of taking a few more! So it's all down to their wills!" That doesn't make any sense!
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Jul 24, 2015 01:43
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Build up an immunity to punches by taking a limited amount of punches.
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Jul 24, 2015 13:18
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If you just get punched a little bit every day eventually you'll be invincible to punches
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Jul 24, 2015 18:18
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Was that "you don't see those kind of muscles in Japan" comment another "black people are naturally better athletes" thing, because if so lol
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Ytlaya posted:Was that "you don't see those kind of muscles in Japan" comment another "black people are naturally better athletes" thing, because if so lol no its the heavyweight thing, there are few solid heavyweight fighters in japan
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tbp posted:no its the heavyweight thing, there are few solid heavyweight fighters in japan This. It's why Takumura needs to starve himself, and is working his way up the weight classes. The higher weight classes are basically empty in Hajime Japan, so they would never take him seriously at his more natural weight class... unless he has the belt from the previous weight class's belt going into it.
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Takamura doesn't spar at his own weight. Which is ridiculous when you think about it. But he is a special beast so its ok
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Nilbop posted:I dunno, it's part-good and part regardless of what happens with the opponent, Takamura is an unstoppable genius superman who can master any style instantly. He just needed to punch out all the oxygen stuck in his muscles.
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Nilbop posted:"Since Takamura took a few hits, he won't be afraid of taking a few more! So it's all down to their wills!" I guess it's "he's taken a few of those and he's still standing so he shouldn't be so gun-shy rushing face first into them like an idiot like me, in order to crowd and overwhelm this guy!" Takamura's thought process is a nice contrast to Ippo's though - "Holy poo poo, these punches loving hurt! What can I do to avoid being hit by them and/or put this guy on the defensive so he can't throw as many?"
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I think the last fight of Ippo's i enjoyed was vs Karasawa. Where he showed something like intelligence.
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Blinks77 posted:I think the last fight of Ippo's i enjoyed was vs Karasawa. Oh my god that was years ago. Surely SOMEONE has told him in all this time that this is the kind of fight we want Ippo to have more of?
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tazman posted:Oh my god that was years ago. Surely SOMEONE has told him in all this time that this is the kind of fight we want Ippo to have more of? gently caress only knows. Since then it's been a procession of "charge in, get hit gently caress tons. Win due to spirit" or some such stupidity.
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Repster posted:This. It's why Takumura needs to starve himself, and is working his way up the weight classes. The higher weight classes are basically empty in Hajime Japan, so they would never take him seriously at his more natural weight class... unless he has the belt from the previous weight class's belt going into it. But the guy Takamura is fighting right now is currently in his same weight class, so why would he have an advantage? Like, yeah, when he was in a heavier weight class I'm sure he would have been stronger, but currently both him and Takamura have a low body fat % and should be around the same weight and thus have similar musculature (if anything, it seems Takamura would be a little buffer if he's also shorter than the American).
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