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Astro Nut posted:alternatively vastly appreciates aspects that others take for granted (such as how wide and diverse it is both culturally and geographically). You probably shouldn't say that to someone from the UK.
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In my AP US history class in high school we skipped from the Civil War to WWI. I still got a 4 on the AP exam though.  To be honest I actually know jack all about reconstruction, but this thread makes me think I should probably read up on it!
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Jun 25, 2015 19:53
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IRQ posted:You probably shouldn't say that to someone from the UK. Such as... myself? But, I do suppose you have a point. I wasn't trying to say that the UK isn't itself fairly diverse, but its all mainly within one climate zone, compared to a country that has deserts, rainforests, vast plains, etc, with all the differences of local custom and thought that such implies. Edit: And yes, Xibanya, you should. Its pretty interesting to look through how the Radical Republicans slowly shifted in how they treated the former Confederate states after the war, and how that's consequently affected people's views and social circumstances.
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Jun 25, 2015 19:55
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My friend just got a job in Virginia where they have a Robert E. Lee Day the same day as MLK day, with a parade for him and everything.
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bobjr posted:My friend just got a job in Virginia where they have a Robert E. Lee Day the same day as MLK day, with a parade for him and everything. The SAME day???? 
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Jun 25, 2015 20:03
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Veskit posted:The SAME day???? Its on or around January 19th so yeah it will either be the day of or really near.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:05
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bobjr posted:My friend just got a job in Virginia where they have a Robert E. Lee Day the same day as MLK day, with a parade for him and everything. You mean the car right that's a great car wacky horn cool stunts yeah that's a great car I can see it getting some love dunno why they'd include it with MLK though must have been an oversight no one could possibly be thatstupidwhywhywhywhy
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Jun 25, 2015 20:07
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Astro Nut posted:If anyone's hankering for some contextualised history stuff, I recommend the world history series done by PBS and John Green. Its a little simplified, but it covers a wide range of stuff one will probably never hear about in a classroom. John Green is a writer of those scholcky teen movies (Fault In Our Stars), I'm pretty sure he's working with his old high school history teacher and probably a few more consultants now if it's on PBS. They aren't bad takes on history, as he does present some pretty common counter-narratives to what you learn in grade school, but the whole bit about how trade is really great for different groups of people without reservation is a big problem imo
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Jun 25, 2015 20:08
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Dreylad posted:John Green is a writer of those scholcky teen movies (Fault In Our Stars), I'm pretty sure he's working with his old high school history teacher and probably a few more consultants now if it's on PBS. Yeah, apologies for the shorthand. Wasn't sure if to call him the presenter or narrator or such, but yeah, the scripts and research are generally handled by staff.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:12
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Dreylad posted:They aren't bad takes on history, as he does present some pretty common counter-narratives to what you learn in grade school, but the whole bit about how trade is really great for different groups of people without reservation is a big problem imo There's no such thing as an unbiased interpretation of history.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:13
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When I first came to the US as an exchange student, my American history class was taught by the football coach. The basic stuff we did in class was finding out which was the most advanced weapon each side used in a war, diagrams of battles and battle fronts, and so on.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:25
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John doing a segment on revenge porn was basically inevitable ever since he gave a bunch of dick pics to Edward Snowden.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:45
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Astro Nut posted:Such as... myself? That's true, but you guys do have a lot of surprisingly different cultures for such a small drab rock. Except for the welsh, they don't count.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:59
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Veskit posted:The SAME day???? bobkatt013 posted:Its on or around January 19th so yeah it will either be the day of or really near.  I thought this had been changed a few years ago. I would not be surprised if it failed to pass.
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muscles like this? posted:He also made fun of the Entourage movie just as it was coming out. #TheBoysAreBack
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Xoidanor posted:There's no such thing as an unbiased interpretation of history. What??? Really!?!
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Dreylad posted:What??? Really!?! Yes really. What interpretation doesn't have bias?
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Dreylad posted:John Green is a writer of those scholcky teen movies (Fault In Our Stars), I'm pretty sure he's working with his old high school history teacher and probably a few more consultants now if it's on PBS.
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I had two years of history in highschool. Two years. Whenever I have the still-in-highschool dream, the class I never finished and am humiliated to be slinking in the back trying not to let anyone catch an old man sneak by his last few credits, the class is history. My subconscious thinks I haven't learned from the past apparently. We had one week on all the history of China. All of it. And right now I can only tell you the final question was a draw the arrow from the guy to the thing he was known for. Sun Yet Sen (sunset riders? or was that a mnemonic device I named after a video game?). Mao Tse Dong (great leap forward?) Chang Kai Shek (??????). Those were the three guys from China, ever, apparently. They never even taught me not to pursue Lu Bu. I had no idea. I pursued Lu Bu all the goddamn time like a goddamn idiot. I don't know if it's selective memory, that as a scientific minded boy I just kind of forgot the humanities as soon as I passed them, but it feels like my history education was woefully inadequate.
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Krinkle posted:I had two years of history in highschool. Two years. Whenever I have the still-in-highschool dream, the class I never finished and am humiliated to be slinking in the back trying not to let anyone catch an old man sneak by his last few credits, the class is history. My subconscious thinks I haven't learned from the past apparently. Chang Kai Shek is famous for getting his rear end kicked by Mao.
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Jun 26, 2015 01:11
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I learned more history in high school classes reading random poo poo in the book while the football coach/history teacher rambled about WWII poo poo I learned from the History channel years before than I ever did in any class, just like I learned more about English from reading on my own than I ever did in any class. Education is only what you put into it, and only so much of that can be blamed on schools themselves. Completely opposite to the humanities, I am horrible at math because I never gave a single poo poo about it. Guess what 1990s math teachers, I DO have a calculator with me all the time.
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Jun 26, 2015 01:34
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If students aren't interested, that is a failure of the school and education system. It's not always correctable, and certainly there's not always blame to go around, but it's still a failure.
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Jun 26, 2015 03:32
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If I had to teach a medieval history I probably would be weird and make students by CKII and make them do a project on their characters/dynasties etc. and maybe forge a connection with the period they are learning about.
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Jun 26, 2015 03:35
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On any given Last Week Tonight YouTube video, the like/dislike ratio is about 40:1 - 90:1. The video on online harassment is sitting at 2:1. Now, I'm no fancy big city internet user, but I know when folks' butts been hurt.
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I like that GRRM is wearing suspenders in your avatar so it lends naturally to imagining thumbs tucked under them as he delivers your post rocking back and forth on his heels.
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Jun 26, 2015 04:17
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Veskit posted:Yes really. What interpretation doesn't have bias? No way!! Echo Chamber posted:In Crash Course World History, John Green made it clear that one of the big drawbacks of trade was the movement of disease. And invading armies, trafficking, and exploitation. Ah I missed that, he just kept pumping up how awesome trade was in the ones I watched reviewing it to see if it`d be useful for class. That`s good then.
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Jack2142 posted:If I had to teach a medieval history I probably would be weird and make students by CKII and make them do a project on their characters/dynasties etc. and maybe forge a connection with the period they are learning about. (Some) Historians are starting to take games seriously and critically. They can be useful teaching tools, but it`s important to understand how the game systems are set up and how they might distort students`view of how history develops and changes. Civilization, for example, is pretty Whiggish in that technological is a straightforward line towards The Future. EU4 obviously is kind hosed because the end goal for any non-western civilization is to Westernize. CK2 is fun but it emphasizes individuals over communities and societies etc.
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Call of Juarez Gunslinger is probably the best edutainment title on Wild West history I've ever played.
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Krinkle posted:We had one week on all the history of China. All of it. And right now I can only tell you the final question was a draw the arrow from the guy to the thing he was known for. Sun Yet Sen (sunset riders? or was that a mnemonic device I named after a video game?). Mao Tse Dong (great leap forward?) Chang Kai Shek (??????). Those were the three guys from China, ever, apparently. They never even taught me not to pursue Lu Bu. I had no idea. I pursued Lu Bu all the goddamn time like a goddamn idiot. Well, you know, the only part of Chinese history that is relevant to the good young Americans of the 80s and 90s is the part where they turned communist. I personally supplemented this by accident by spending the next year as a foreign exchange student in a country where I had to memorize all the loving emperors.
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Dreylad posted:No way!! At the very least, the three history series (with one that focused entirely on US history) were more comprehensive and intriguing than the entirety of my HS history classes, and most people don't end up taking anything more advanced. The second world history series does a lot more to go into the differing perspectives on history and how inadequate it is to focus on any one view of the same event.
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Wow, I did not realize he was the same John Green who wrote Looking For Alaska, one of my all-time favorites. His videos definitely cover more than I learned in school. Less nitty-gritty, but more broad strokes and consequences/impacts of various events.
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I watched the most recent episode, and I guess I agree with most of it except this idea that not taking pictures of your genitals is somehow an unacceptable compromise, WE MUST PHOTOGRAPH OUR REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS. That last part is sarcasm, but an NPR show (I think On The Media) actually took a stance like that once, that pictures of your naked body are just the currency of basic relationship etiquette now, so society and law should just accept and adapt. The thing is, it's a great idea if your idea of being online started with Comcast, or I guess mid 90s AOL; both of which are big gigantic faceless corporations. If you've ever used a dial-up bulletin board back in the day, or a small ISP in the mid 90s instead of a gigantic million/billion dollar one like AOL/MSN/Prodigy/etc, you know how insecure your transmissions can be. I've read ISP admins and old timey SysOps swear that yes, they DO have the information to see what you're doing, but they don't care to read it. And trying to get a handle on how those things run, I once hosted my own board and could see people write posts and emails, letter by letter, even pull them away from their work to have a one-on-one with them. I have a view of unencrypted online traffic that I guess you could describe as being more paranoid than the average user; because all of this spun out of that old series of networks that people today would think was Orwellian. When you realize that a file send to someone travels through more hands than your own and the recipient's, you're less likely to create digital images of your private parts. People who take other people's photos and publish them without consent are dickbags. But there would be a lot fewer occasions of it happening if people just assumed the worst regarding the privacy of their broadband pipe, of their cloud account, etc. All it takes is one experience with some 15 year old SysAdmin ripping you out of your email screen to tell you that they think your message sucks, and you'll be a lot more hesitant to assume that you don't have a larger audience than you realize.
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Dreylad posted:(Some) Historians are starting to take games seriously and critically. They can be useful teaching tools, but it`s important to understand how the game systems are set up and how they might distort students`view of how history develops and changes. Civilization, for example, is pretty Whiggish in that technological is a straightforward line towards The Future. EU4 obviously is kind hosed because the end goal for any non-western civilization is to Westernize. CK2 is fun but it emphasizes individuals over communities and societies etc. Oh naturally it ignores alot of aspects of actual history, I would probably assign it as a simple project for not a huge % of the course grade. However I think it does a good job of forcing you to think into the mindset of a medieval noble and helps explain their reasoning behind their actions. I think the main benefit of games for me it has got me interested in looking more into history, without games like Total War, Cossacks European Wars, Paradox, Sid Meier any number of WWII games I don;t think I would have a "personal" connection to these timeperiods. Also CKII is cool because historic characters actually have in-game links to their Wikipedia pages sometimes even for relatively minor guys at historical starts.
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Dreylad posted:John Green is a writer of those scholcky teen movies (Fault In Our Stars), I'm pretty sure he's working with his old high school history teacher and probably a few more consultants now if it's on PBS. Well, he wrote the books, screenwriters wrote the movies. The Crash Course stuff came out of the decade-long online media personality thing that folded out of he and his brother's vlogging channel, along with a bunch of other projects (his brother runs SciShow and things like Lizzie Bennet Diaries, his wife's currently doing the Art Assignment youtube channel for PBS Online, they initially helped set up Brain Scoop museum stuff, etc). Crash Course is one facet of all that.
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Echo Chamber posted:In Crash Course World History, John Green made it clear that one of the big drawbacks of trade was the movement of disease. And invading armies, trafficking, and exploitation. Disease is the most boring part of history because it's just a shitload of people dying of dysentery. Does everyone not groan of boredom when Jill dies on the Oregon trail of dysentery.
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Craptacular! posted:I watched the most recent episode, and I guess I agree with most of it except this idea that not taking pictures of your genitals is somehow an unacceptable compromise, WE MUST PHOTOGRAPH OUR REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS. That last part is sarcasm, but an NPR show (I think On The Media) actually took a stance like that once, that pictures of your naked body are just the currency of basic relationship etiquette now, so society and law should just accept and adapt. I think it's less that it MUST be done, and more that it WILL be done. Since the very first mobile device with a lovely little camera, people have been sending pictures of their parts to loved ones. It's just not going to stop now. Veskit posted:Disease is the most boring part of history because it's just a shitload of people dying of dysentery. Does everyone not groan of boredom when Jill dies on the Oregon trail of dysentery. Enjoy the post-antibiotic era.
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Craptacular! posted:I watched the most recent episode, and I guess I agree with most of it except this idea that not taking pictures of your genitals is somehow an unacceptable compromise, WE MUST PHOTOGRAPH OUR REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS. That last part is sarcasm, but an NPR show (I think On The Media) actually took a stance like that once, that pictures of your naked body are just the currency of basic relationship etiquette now, so society and law should just accept and adapt.  Really, not much to add. I think the problem is that we're tilting so hard toward "don't blame the victim" that it's becoming unpolite--unpolite!!--to learn from the mistakes of others, and to help others learn from those mistakes, and indeed even to consider them mistakes in the first place. Naked pictures of you sent to your family and coworkers and friends? Don't tell that person not to take naked pics and store them on devices that have been proven time and time again to be insecure. That's blaming the victim!! We musn't blame the victim! And while I agree that blaming the victim is a very bad thing, that doesn't mean you can't look at what the victim did, identify certain things that put them at risk, and then take steps to avoid becoming a victim in a similar fashion.
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But that's not what revenge porn is 99% of the time, it's the (originally) intended recipients distributing those files. No hacking required.
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