Bholder posted:You know what, you know better, not-hellthread to talk about what's good for women, without any women involved. Amazing, how you can discern sex over the internet. I'm sure that isn't because you think you know what women all believe at all. Shadoer posted:Yes I know. Also the first African Pope was Victor I. I didn't say there was none period, I said the communities were incredibly small and largely traders and merchants. I seem to think that because you have a tiny, dysfunctional brain. This conversation has been about how the evil SJWs are criticizing the poor hardworking Czech guy to make a game that's *gasp* anti-historical! Except that it would not be anti-historical to have a black person in a game set in Medieval Europe. Your arguments have been attempts to get around this fact, because you recognize dimly that it's a bad idea to engage head-on.
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paranoid randroid posted:are you seriously saying you see nothing sexualized about characters like ivy Thats a silly question to ask considering the convorsation was about Makoto, who is much more conservatively dressed than Ivy. Ivy is someone that I think everyone would agree has a sexualized design.
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I said come in! posted:I play these games and afterwards do not go off and masturbate to the female characters. So like I said earlier, kinda, if someone is doing this, or see's it as sexualized, then that is entirely on them. That's good for you. It doesn't change that the character designs include elements that would actually be a hindrance when fighting, and only serve to enhance and emphasize characteristics that are consistently considered sexual by societal standards.
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Oh these guys are still around? At least I can enjoy their hategroup slowly turn into a condensed ball of spite as the world passes over them and leaves them behind.
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I said come in! posted:Seeing a sports bra is your standard of sexist is beyond loving absurd. I can't believe you are not capable of seeing this. The bra is not the issue here, dude. Its more about "was it really necessary to have her bra be exposed like that?". Making her clothing be loose in such a way to show off her rack(In a bra) is a bit off, man. But its not like its going to change anytime soon. The Fighting Game Community doesn't really care about this and they're the ones driving the sales anyway.
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Effectronica posted:I mean, the fact that people could depict black people accurately in Central Europe tells us that they were somewhat familiar with black people, which stands directly in contrast to the idea that black people were so rare it would be anti-historical to have them in a game set in the middle ages in Europe. Yeah because Black people did exist, but they weren't a notable minority. Like an average European peasant or even knight would likely never meet anyone who was black in their lifetime. And those that did would have very infrequent contact, usually in the form of a merchant coming in attempting to do business or an envoy from a far off land. The reason an artist could depict them probably had to do with artists did a lot of work for merchants, and some artists did travel around Europe increasing the odds they'd run into someone. It's still a very rare occurrence.
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paranoid randroid posted:are you seriously saying you see nothing sexualized about characters like ivy She's very sexy and I like it and I'm glad somebody made art that I, a sexually-stunted violent manchild, can enjoy because I still have money and artists need to eat.
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Meme Emulator posted:Thats a silly question to ask considering the convorsation was about Makoto, who is much more conservatively dressed than Ivy. Ivy is someone that I think everyone would agree has a sexualized design. im sorry i thought it was taking place on a more general level. ill be sure to more carefully observe protocol in the future, when discussing fighting game t&a.
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Sinnlos posted:That's good for you. It doesn't change that the character designs include elements that would actually be a hindrance when fighting, and only serve to enhance and emphasize characteristics that are consistently considered sexual by societal standards. And there's nothing wrong with that except the offendatrons like to get their panties in a twist and feed their narcissism over it.
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Jun 26, 2015 17:58
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*puts on school sailor uniform meant for a pre-teen* yeah this is a good outfit for fighting, yeah this short skirt is really gonna give me range of motion on my kicks.
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So long, sweet Hellthread.I said come in! posted:Actually the consumer demographic for video games now is 50% female. It is when you consider video games as a whole, but more men than women like genres like action, strategy, fighting, and sports whereas more women than men like genres like puzzle, adventure, music, and hidden object puzzle adventure. You can see the relevant graphs here. The argument seems to be that because the games that more men than women like are considered more prestigious and "mainstream," they have to be changed to appeal more to female interests in order to raise the status of women in the game industry both as consumers and producers. Which makes me wonder if it might not be more productive to give more prestige to the games that more women than men already like, especially if you happen to be a journalist with an audience of millions. But when was the last time you saw a HOPA game (a genre with an 80% female player audience) being promoted on Polygon? Especially when most of the things that the loud people on the internet claim make video games more appealing to women seem to actually have no effect at all on the player gender ratio. For example, even though Mass Effect provides an option to make the player character female, its player base is still 86% male, slightly more male dominated than the "ultra-misogynistic" GTA V (see the graphs I linked above).
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Annointed posted:Oh these guys are still around? At least I can enjoy their hategroup slowly turn into a condensed ball of spite as the world passes over them and leaves them behind. GG has largely dissolved aside from a large contingent of diehards on 8chan, and the antis are just shadowboxing with twitter trolls at the moment. Since teh antis have increasingly had fewer and fewer people to fight with theyve just started yelling loudly to anyone who will listen.
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Dreylad posted:what does 8chan have to do with gamergate? I don't know, I think they discuss it there, and probably point out dumb poo poo similiar to this thread, and the ones before it.
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Sinnlos posted:That's good for you. It doesn't change that the character designs include elements that would actually be a hindrance when fighting, and only serve to enhance and emphasize characteristics that are consistently considered sexual by societal standards. Which societal standards? There are hundreds of them all throughout the world. Games these days are typical made by a very diverse group of people with different cultural backgrounds and views of the world. You're shoving your western world standards down everyones throat, and lets be honest here, western (American especially) standards are largely hypocritical and bullshit.
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Peel posted:It was marketed (sometimes sincerely, never correctly) as a revolt against unethical games journalism, which drew in a few well-meaning people and led to some false history, but even then the majority of the time and effort was spent on complaining about 'SJWs' and attacking (mostly female) critics of gamergate. It was never really "about" any one thing. It's a lovely hashtag movement and has the same drawbacks as every other lovely hashtag movement (hi OWS): What anyone invested in it think it's about is No True Scotsman on overdrive, and what it's really about is whatever Twitter drives the Ouija planchette over.
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I'm glad this thread has already degenerated into involved arguments about people's opinions on individual character designs.
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Meme Emulator posted:GG has largely dissolved aside from a large contingent of diehards on 8chan, and the antis are just shadowboxing with twitter trolls at the moment. Since teh antis have increasingly had fewer and fewer people to fight with theyve just started yelling loudly to anyone who will listen. Including the ever-popular internal witch hunts on each other for not being indoctrinated into the cult enough.
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Jun 26, 2015 18:00
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INH5 posted:But when was the last time you saw a HOPA game (a genre with an 80% female player audience) being promoted on Polygon? Just because the genre is popular doesnt mean the games themselves are worthy of praise. If a hidden object game were ever rolled out with the charm, or the humor, or the production values of something liek Phoenix Wright then it might be a different story. Those games are almost 100% shovelware.
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please tell me who gave anita sarkeesian legal authority to determine which content was not permitted to be added to video games developed in the united states
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Why are video game stylized and not designed with realism in question? While we are at it, why are video games not fantasy enough that they showcase a world where sexism, racism, war and pestilence doesn't exist?
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Wow, a lot's happened since yesterday. Quoting from the other thread.quote:As you may have been already informed (Read Facebook link), Apple has removed our game from AppStore because of usage of the Confederate Flag. Ultimate General: Gettysburg could be accepted back if the flag is removed from the game's content.  Maybe Dylan Roof really did plan all of this. Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Jun 26, 2015 |
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Effectronica posted:Except that it would not be anti-historical to have a black person in a game set in Medieval Europe. Your arguments have been attempts to get around this fact, because you recognize dimly that it's a bad idea to engage head-on. It wouldn't be anti-historical but it also wouldn't be anti-historical to not include one, either. It's a null point and picking at nits; Polish culture barely saw any people of color and for their art based on their mythology to reflect this is as racist as Japanese mythology failing to depict similar minorities. If The Witcher were made in America or one of the more diverse Western European countries (including Germany) I'd be way more willing to make the critique.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:please tell me who gave anita sarkeesian legal authority to determine which content was not permitted to be added to video games developed in the united states john roberts, as a secret judicial activism rider to the gay marriage decision.
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Disinterested posted:Well, it also demonstrates an inability to very adequately differentiate black and middle eastern people, and shows that the primary category for those people was religious. I think to claim that most medieval person knew what a black man looked like is an incredibly spurious claim. You also have to note that the depiction is, by modern standards, somewhat stereotypical at best and gollywoggish at worst. You're also dealing with a more cosmopolitan place in Coburg than, say, Poland. Okay, the argument here, Disinterested, is over whether having black people in Medieval Europe would be contrary to history and make a game anti-historical. What is your opinion on this question?
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I said come in! posted:Are you really arguing this is a sexualized Street Fighter character? She's not, but the fact that she's basically one of the few characters in Street fighter who isn't speaks against the point you're trying to make.
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Motto posted:I'm glad this thread has already degenerated into involved arguments about people's opinions on individual character designs.
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Effectronica posted:
Yes, as the person that resorts to insults you are clearly intellectually superior and I'm dim witted. Perhaps I will put things in point form so you may better understand my views 1. If someone want's to make a game based on Europe's historical setting, they have to accept that any black characters will have to be either incredibly rare or non-existent. You are right in the sense that they can argue for their inclusion, but it's perfectly reasonable to leave them out as it was a rarity. 2. If you are getting up in arms over the lack of inclusion of black people, you'd have a better case for gypsies and jewish people in Europe whom were a significant minority and people had a greater chance of coming into contact with. 3. Even if they do put some a-historical stuff in, I'm okay with it. It's a game, I'll question the historical accuracy a bit, but whatever. The most important thing is that the game is fun.
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Annointed posted:Oh these guys are still around? At least I can enjoy their hategroup slowly turn into a condensed ball of spite as the world passes over them and leaves them behind. Yea, it'll be funny when the patreon's dry up and then they'll have to find something else to make a scene about. I wonder if Anime will be next?
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Effectronica posted:Okay, the argument here, Disinterested, is over whether having black people in Medieval Europe would be contrary to history and make a game anti-historical. What is your opinion on this question? It depends on the region, the time and the setting. Are you aware the game in question hired actual historians (not internet activists) to consult?
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Oh lol THATS Makoto, I was visualizing Ibuki in my head the whole time, shes the one with her outfit cut in half for maximum thigh.
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Just a friendly reminder to not-hellthread, don't take this as an extremely serious issue. This topic is like the Lovecraft tome of the internet. The longer you stare into it and rant at people, you risk going down the path of cardboard box a and spacedad. Down that path lies madness.
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Meme Emulator posted:GG has largely dissolved aside from a large contingent of diehards on 8chan, and the antis are just shadowboxing with twitter trolls at the moment. Since teh antis have increasingly had fewer and fewer people to fight with theyve just started yelling loudly to anyone who will listen. Also the infighting has started. Can't forget that.
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Postorder Trollet89 posted:She's not, but the fact that she's basically one of the few characters in Street fighter who isn't speaks against the point you're trying to make. No? My point was that not every female Street Fighter character is sexualized. The person I quoted said it was every female character. Clearly not true. I don't think any of the street fighter characters are sexualized.
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I said come in! posted:I play these games and afterwards do not go off and masturbate to the female characters. So like I said earlier, kinda, if someone is doing this, or see's it as sexualized, then that is entirely on them. This right here, this "it's not a problem unless you make it one " poo poo? It's retarded as hell.
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Bholder posted:Why are video game stylized and not designed with realism in question? Stylization means big titties, of course. That's all that people ever use it for. I look forward to cracking jokes about how stylized someone is as a pickup line in the future. turnways posted:It wouldn't be anti-historical but it also wouldn't be anti-historical to not include one, either. It's a null point and picking at nits; Polish culture barely saw any people of color and for their art based on their mythology to reflect this is as racist as Japanese mythology failing to depict similar minorities. Right. It says a lot that people's most prominent argument against it is not about forcing people, blah blah blah, if you're left-wing you're a sickopathic cultist blah, but is instead about how Europe was solely white (and Jewish, and Romany, and Turkish, and various ethnicities from central Asia, and) until the last two hundred years.
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i, too, cannot recognize obvious things, and then deny these things even exist
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I saw a tumblr page ran by a girl who loves that one fat character in Tekken, and she constantly posts sexy fanart of him. Does that mean Tekken sexualizes fat people?
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I said come in! posted:Which societal standards? There are hundreds of them all throughout the world. Games these days are typical made by a very diverse group of people with different cultural backgrounds and views of the world. You're shoving your western world standards down everyones throat, and lets be honest here, western (American especially) standards are largely hypocritical and bullshit. Oh come on. Street Fighter is a Japanese game designed for Japanese and western audiences, as they are the primary consumers. Are you seriously stating that breasts, buttocks, legs, school uniforms, ect. do not have a history of being sexualized in these cultures?
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Effectronica posted:The poster with the handle "Totalizator" is dead.  Homicidal leftists. I love 'em!
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Sinnlos posted:Oh come on. Street Fighter is a Japanese game designed for Japanese and western audiences, as they are the primary consumers. Are you seriously stating that breasts, buttocks, legs, school uniforms, ect. do not have a history of being sexualized in these cultures? sexualization is a liberal neo-marxist myth, open your eyes
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