Shadoer posted:

No, I and other's basically specified that it's the extreme left wing and the influence they appear to have. Like in my opinion there's nothing wrong with the left in general, just it has it's extreme fringe just as the right has them.

Like I would say feminism in the sense of pushing for equal rights for women and promoting show's that empower women are good and left wing.

I would also say that pushing feminism by defining it as trying to eliminate masculinity and violence as well trying to censor anything that isn't promoting a feminist agenda, is an extreme position and part of the extreme left.

Dapper Dan posted:

Wow, that's pretty loltastic.

Popular Thug Drink posted:

you can tell none of these newbs ever waited patiently by the mailbox for this month's Nintendo Power

Lumpy the Cook posted:

The fact that the fastest moving thread in the world issues and global/local politics subforum is about a twitter flamewar says a lot.

SedanChair posted:

And we've come full circle! This was the point being illustrated. "It's just a game" or "it's just An Internet" is not a meaningful thing to say when discussing messages.

Meme Emulator posted:

KongMu posted:

That one you cite now in the edit I have read a while ago because a youtuber I watch that's into the oWoD RPG's posted it. Having not read it recently though, from my memory that thesis is a huge false equivalence. First of all I want to know on what planet they think that using what is essentially an occulus rift is in any way a typical gaming experience. I don't know a single person that owns an occulus rift, or plans to when they come out. They openly cite the game WoW at one point as a comparison if I remember, something where you "become" your character. Putting on a helmet, looking down, seeing a fatbody and getting sad is not the same experience as playing WoW from your desktop no matter how much the authors want it to be. But IT COULD mean that if you do put on an occulus rift helmet, look down, and see a fatbody or whatever and get sad, then that may have some effect on something. Also, if you look down and see yourself as something you don't want to be, of course the expected result would be negative. The entire study stems on the fact that their experiment was as fully immersive as they could make it. I never have been immersed enough in a game to make me actually feel as though I was in it, and I can't imagine that most non delusional people have, but I can't speak for everyone.

Popular Thug Drink posted:

so your evidence that anita sarkeesian is a thief is because she was given a bunch of money to make some videos, and then she made some videos and continues to make videos. but maybe she was given too much money?

Effectronica posted:

I think one of the most interesting positions is the one that argues that we completely create ourselves, without any influences from the outside world beyond conscious ones.

Or rather, it would argue this if the GBS people had brains, because that's just the natural conclusion of people who argue that video games being sexist is unrelated to sexism. Because they apparently believe that sexism appears from the ether, or is ordained by God, or something other than it being the consequence of a society where the art and culture are largely sexist and train people to reproduce sexism.

Popular Thug Drink posted:

so your evidence that anita sarkeesian is a thief is because she was given a bunch of money to make some videos, and then she made some videos and continues to make videos. but maybe she was given too much money?

Popular Thug Drink posted:

how are they suckers though

generally if you're going to demonstrate that someone is a cheat and a liar you need actual proof of them being a cheat and a liar, simply accusing them of being a cheat and a liar isn't sufficient to convince other people who don't already agree with you

OwlFancier posted:

It's a little bit weird if someone who makes a living making videos about a worthy social cause, upon receipt of a whole fucktonne of money, then sits on said money and keeps making videos. Rather than giving a bunch of said money to the many other similar, if not far more worthy facets of their worthy social cause.

unlimited shrimp posted:

Effectronica seriouspost why are you so intent on dismissing accusations of a callout/outrage culture in certain Leftist circles and particularly in regards to how they conduct themselves on social media?

Popular Thug Drink posted:

why should i believe anything from a guy who thinks that people who don't think the way he does must be stupid gullible idiots

Lumpy the Cook posted:

The amount of care and attention that people under the age of 35 in wealthy educated nations give to things like gaming journalism, Joss Whedon, and women depictions in the Batman video game, compared to the care and attention they give to things like the inevitable depletion of critical resources needed for large populations to survive and the collapse of the planet's ecosystems, is enough to tell me that the human race has about as much chance of making it to the 22nd century as this forum has of making into 2017.

TGLT posted:

They weren't "getting sad," they were more likely to accept rape myths like "she was asking for it." Perhaps more research could be put into what degree of immersion and self-identification with a character is necessary for it to start changing your views, at least in the short term, but you really need to reread this study if you thought they were just "kind of sad."

unlimited shrimp posted:

Effectronica seriouspost why are you so intent on dismissing accusations of a callout/outrage culture in certain Leftist circles and particularly in regards to how they conduct themselves on social media?

Unfunny Poster posted:

Can I call their video production management in poor quality then? Rather than target them as individuals. They make, on average, 30 minute long videos discussing a topic in some depth or the other. That's fine and actually what is appealing to what I think is the majority of their audience. The last time they made a video that was on their average length of 30 minutes was 10 months ago and they're halfway through their proposed topic list. That's pretty poor management of their time and production efforts.

Shadoer posted:

Alright, she's making her technical requirements of making videos about women's portrayal in gaming. She's late as poo poo and the video's are half assed, both in production and intellectual content, but she is meeting the letter of the word agreement.

Now what about my other people on the list like the Honey Badger's getting $30,000 for a legal fund and then hiring a disbarred lawyer?

Shadoer posted:

Yeah that's not what I said, that's the crap troll you are trying way too hard to force through.

Like seriously, even you should realize it's not a good troll or particularly funny, why are you even bothering to push this?

Popular Thug Drink posted:

no it isnt

Dreylad posted:

you should demand a refund then

OwlFancier posted:

Well no I guess it isn't entirely surprising because I daresay most people would drop their principles for money but it's not really the sort of thing to get enthused about.

Shadoer posted:

No, I and other's basically specified that it's the extreme left wing and the influence they appear to have. Like in my opinion there's nothing wrong with the left in general, just it has it's extreme fringe just as the right has them.

Like I would say feminism in the sense of pushing for equal rights for women and promoting show's that empower women are good and left wing.

I would also say that pushing feminism by defining it as trying to eliminate masculinity and violence as well trying to censor anything that isn't promoting a feminist agenda, is an extreme position and part of the extreme left.

unlimited shrimp posted:

Effectronica seriouspost why are you so intent on dismissing accusations of a callout/outrage culture in certain Leftist circles and particularly in regards to how they conduct themselves on social media?

TGLT posted:

Again going to relink this paper on self objectification and its link to sexy avatars. Cultural products not being real doesn't change the fact that it is both an expression of cultural ideas and thoughts as well as a way in which people learn what their culture at large thinks about things. Sure, the people you very personally respect and value saying explicit things are going to have a stronger effect than the one story where the one person did a thing in a fictional setting, but it doesn't negate the effects of fictional cultural products. It doesn't even mean that what your family explicitly tells you is going to override what your culture is constantly saying. I'm pretty sure black kids didn't learn black dolls are bad and ugly from their parents.

Video games aren't unique in this, but they are still an aspect of it, and the one a dumb nerd forum like SA is gonna wanna talk about a lot.

Meme Emulator posted:

From my, correct, point of view, people who play games avoid Hidden Object games because they are poorly made. These games are poorly made because the developers that make them have no respect for their audience. Our society's very powerful bias to take feminine tings less seriously than masculine things results in the creators of these games putting in little effort on the product.

icantfindaname posted:

Because it isn't a real problem

Lumpy the Cook posted:

The amount of care and attention that people under the age of 35 in wealthy educated nations give to things like gaming journalism, Joss Whedon, and women depictions in the Batman video game, compared to the care and attention they give to things like the inevitable depletion of critical resources needed for large populations to survive and the collapse of the planet's ecosystems, is enough to tell me that the human race has about as much chance of making it to the 22nd century as this forum has of making into 2017.

Effectronica posted:

technocratic soullessness is the only way to get things done

Bedlamdan posted:

kickstarter pretty much makes it impossible to get those things short of legal action.

Bedlamdan posted:

kickstarter pretty much makes it impossible to get those things short of legal action.

unlimited shrimp posted:

That's largely true, yes. That doesn't mean it isn't a thing.

I would say it's potentially a problem if people associate it with Leftist activism as a whole.

icantfindaname posted:

Because it isn't a real problem

Dreylad posted:

a warning to anyone who pledges on kickstarter then.

Bholder posted:

Neither is violence/sexism in video games

Effectronica posted:

Is sexism a real problem? Why or why not?

Sinnlos posted:

If you paid by credit card usually you can send to to the disputes department at the issuing bank. Usually there is a limit on how far back you can dispute though.