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Shadoer posted:No, I and other's basically specified that it's the extreme left wing and the influence they appear to have. Like in my opinion there's nothing wrong with the left in general, just it has it's extreme fringe just as the right has them. why should i believe anything from a guy who thinks that people who don't think the way he does must be stupid gullible idiots
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:00 |
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Dapper Dan posted:Wow, that's pretty loltastic. It also explicitly compares the villains of that game to GamerGaters, right there in the text haha Popular Thug Drink posted:you can tell none of these newbs ever waited patiently by the mailbox for this month's Nintendo Power Nintendo power ended in 2012, dumbass
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:00 |
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Lumpy the Cook posted:The fact that the fastest moving thread in the world issues and global/local politics subforum is about a twitter flamewar says a lot. Well guess what fucker, people can be mad about different things, for example, I devote several minutes of my day to be mad at the gamergate, one minute to be mad at the republicans, two minutes to be mad about twitter, 17 seconds to be mad about the prison conditions of insurgents, and two hours to be mad at these motherfuckers posting on the something awful dot com forums, thinking they have the one up on me.
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:00 |
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SedanChair posted:And we've come full circle! This was the point being illustrated. "It's just a game" or "it's just An Internet" is not a meaningful thing to say when discussing messages.
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:01 |
I think one of the most interesting positions is the one that argues that we completely create ourselves, without any influences from the outside world beyond conscious ones. Or rather, it would argue this if the GBS people had brains, because that's just the natural conclusion of people who argue that video games being sexist is unrelated to sexism. Because they apparently believe that sexism appears from the ether, or is ordained by God, or something other than it being the consequence of a society where the art and culture are largely sexist and train people to reproduce sexism.
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:01 |
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Effectronica seriouspost why are you so intent on dismissing accusations of a callout/outrage culture in certain Leftist circles and particularly in regards to how they conduct themselves on social media?
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:01 |
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art Also would this be a good time to recommend supporting We Happy Few on Kickstarter?
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:01 |
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KongMu posted:That one you cite now in the edit I have read a while ago because a youtuber I watch that's into the oWoD RPG's posted it. Having not read it recently though, from my memory that thesis is a huge false equivalence. First of all I want to know on what planet they think that using what is essentially an occulus rift is in any way a typical gaming experience. I don't know a single person that owns an occulus rift, or plans to when they come out. They openly cite the game WoW at one point as a comparison if I remember, something where you "become" your character. Putting on a helmet, looking down, seeing a fatbody and getting sad is not the same experience as playing WoW from your desktop no matter how much the authors want it to be. But IT COULD mean that if you do put on an occulus rift helmet, look down, and see a fatbody or whatever and get sad, then that may have some effect on something. Also, if you look down and see yourself as something you don't want to be, of course the expected result would be negative. The entire study stems on the fact that their experiment was as fully immersive as they could make it. I never have been immersed enough in a game to make me actually feel as though I was in it, and I can't imagine that most non delusional people have, but I can't speak for everyone. They weren't "getting sad," they were more likely to accept rape myths like "she was asking for it." Perhaps more research could be put into what degree of immersion and self-identification with a character is necessary for it to start changing your views, at least in the short term, but you really need to reread this study if you thought they were just "kind of sad." edit: I'd also like to point out that this is something that the conclusion addresses, and even whether or not a person's previous experience with "avatar-based environments" has an effect on how readily they change in response to said environments.
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:02 |
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Popular Thug Drink posted:so your evidence that anita sarkeesian is a thief is because she was given a bunch of money to make some videos, and then she made some videos and continues to make videos. but maybe she was given too much money? Alright, she's making her technical requirements of making videos about women's portrayal in gaming. She's late as poo poo and the video's are half assed, both in production and intellectual content, but she is meeting the letter of the word agreement. Now what about my other people on the list like the Honey Badger's getting $30,000 for a legal fund and then hiring a disbarred lawyer?
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:02 |
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Effectronica posted:I think one of the most interesting positions is the one that argues that we completely create ourselves, without any influences from the outside world beyond conscious ones. Effectronica we are all GBS posters, here, in Hellthread.
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:02 |
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Popular Thug Drink posted:so your evidence that anita sarkeesian is a thief is because she was given a bunch of money to make some videos, and then she made some videos and continues to make videos. but maybe she was given too much money? It's a little bit weird if someone who makes a living making videos about a worthy social cause, upon receipt of a whole fucktonne of money, then sits on said money and keeps making videos. Rather than giving a bunch of said money to the many other similar, if not far more worthy facets of their worthy social cause. If you get your cred to make your living by being socially conscious, do you get to become a little conspicuously deaf to social consciousness when it involves giving away your newly acquired fortune to the cause you apparently believe in enough to devote your working life to? Like, is it more important that your cause is advanced, or that you personally get to stay paid-in-advance for the next twenty years?
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:02 |
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The amount of care and attention that people under the age of 35 in wealthy educated nations give to things like gaming journalism, Joss Whedon, and women depictions in the Batman video game, compared to the care and attention they give to things like the inevitable depletion of critical resources needed for large populations to survive and the collapse of the planet's ecosystems, is enough to tell me that the human race has about as much chance of making it to the 22nd century as this forum has of making into 2017.
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:03 |
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Popular Thug Drink posted:how are they suckers though Can I call their video production management in poor quality then? Rather than target them as individuals. They make, on average, 30 minute long videos discussing a topic in some depth or the other. That's fine and actually what is appealing to what I think is the majority of their audience. The last time they made a video that was on their average length of 30 minutes was 10 months ago and they're halfway through their proposed topic list. That's pretty poor management of their time and production efforts. Edit - my point being that if you look at their production output, its not that impressive which is my only real criticism about the videos since the topics are creating a debate on representation in games which isn't some sort of terrible thing people think it is.
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:03 |
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OwlFancier posted:It's a little bit weird if someone who makes a living making videos about a worthy social cause, upon receipt of a whole fucktonne of money, then sits on said money and keeps making videos. Rather than giving a bunch of said money to the many other similar, if not far more worthy facets of their worthy social cause. no it isnt
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:03 |
unlimited shrimp posted:Effectronica seriouspost why are you so intent on dismissing accusations of a callout/outrage culture in certain Leftist circles and particularly in regards to how they conduct themselves on social media? You could probably make a drat good case that the Zoepost was inspired by that kind of callout culture.
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:03 |
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Can we make it bannable to call people "far left" unless they're actively guillotining or firing squad-ing people?
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:03 |
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Popular Thug Drink posted:why should i believe anything from a guy who thinks that people who don't think the way he does must be stupid gullible idiots Yeah that's not what I said, that's the crap troll you are trying way too hard to force through. Like seriously, even you should realize it's not a good troll or particularly funny, why are you even bothering to push this?
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:03 |
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Lumpy the Cook posted:The amount of care and attention that people under the age of 35 in wealthy educated nations give to things like gaming journalism, Joss Whedon, and women depictions in the Batman video game, compared to the care and attention they give to things like the inevitable depletion of critical resources needed for large populations to survive and the collapse of the planet's ecosystems, is enough to tell me that the human race has about as much chance of making it to the 22nd century as this forum has of making into 2017. I wanted to respond sooner but I kept on getting database errors
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:04 |
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TGLT posted:They weren't "getting sad," they were more likely to accept rape myths like "she was asking for it." Perhaps more research could be put into what degree of immersion and self-identification with a character is necessary for it to start changing your views, at least in the short term, but you really need to reread this study if you thought they were just "kind of sad." I probably should re-read it, but I still question the validity of their assertions based off of the fact that the study was done in a manner that isn't really attributable to video games or the typical gaming experience. Edit: Interestingly enough, I think the study may have something on Traditional RPG's, though.
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:04 |
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unlimited shrimp posted:Effectronica seriouspost why are you so intent on dismissing accusations of a callout/outrage culture in certain Leftist circles and particularly in regards to how they conduct themselves on social media? Because it isn't a real problem
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Unfunny Poster posted:Can I call their video production management in poor quality then? Rather than target them as individuals. They make, on average, 30 minute long videos discussing a topic in some depth or the other. That's fine and actually what is appealing to what I think is the majority of their audience. The last time they made a video that was on their average length of 30 minutes was 10 months ago and they're halfway through their proposed topic list. That's pretty poor management of their time and production efforts. yeah they might be bad at what they're trying to do but that doesn't make them con artists, it just means they set unrealistic expectations they're having trouble meeting which is like 90% of what happens in white collar office work
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:04 |
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Shadoer posted:Alright, she's making her technical requirements of making videos about women's portrayal in gaming. She's late as poo poo and the video's are half assed, both in production and intellectual content, but she is meeting the letter of the word agreement. you should demand a refund then
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:04 |
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Shadoer posted:Yeah that's not what I said, that's the crap troll you are trying way too hard to force through. i just don't understand why you think people who don't think like you do must be either scheming thieves or sad easily bamboozled jokes
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:05 |
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Popular Thug Drink posted:no it isnt Well no I guess it isn't entirely surprising because I daresay most people would drop their principles for money but it's not really the sort of thing to get enthused about.
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:05 |
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Dreylad posted:you should demand a refund then kickstarter pretty much makes it impossible to get those things short of legal action.
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:05 |
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OwlFancier posted:Well no I guess it isn't entirely surprising because I daresay most people would drop their principles for money but it's not really the sort of thing to get enthused about. so then don't get enthused about it it's not a good argument though when someone has a very successful kickstarter for a project to say that they're hypocrites for not breaking some of that off for charity
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:06 |
Shadoer posted:No, I and other's basically specified that it's the extreme left wing and the influence they appear to have. Like in my opinion there's nothing wrong with the left in general, just it has it's extreme fringe just as the right has them. I would say that you're an idiot. unlimited shrimp posted:Effectronica seriouspost why are you so intent on dismissing accusations of a callout/outrage culture in certain Leftist circles and particularly in regards to how they conduct themselves on social media? Because it's not real. It's something that people are making up in order to engage in leftist infighting, which is something that is probably thousands of years old. When people call something "callout culture" or "outrage culture", ultimately their statement comes down to a belief that technocratic soullessness is the only way to get things done, even if all they wanted to do was push back over doctrinal matters.
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:06 |
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TGLT posted:Again going to relink this paper on self objectification and its link to sexy avatars. Cultural products not being real doesn't change the fact that it is both an expression of cultural ideas and thoughts as well as a way in which people learn what their culture at large thinks about things. Sure, the people you very personally respect and value saying explicit things are going to have a stronger effect than the one story where the one person did a thing in a fictional setting, but it doesn't negate the effects of fictional cultural products. It doesn't even mean that what your family explicitly tells you is going to override what your culture is constantly saying. I'm pretty sure black kids didn't learn black dolls are bad and ugly from their parents. That's a short term priming effect, and there's no evidence that it extends to a long term effect outside the lab. That's like showing people the cutscene of Aerith dying, testing them to see if they get sad, then if they do using that as evidence that video games cause depression. And how do you know that black kids don't learn black dolls are bad and ugly from how they see their parents being treated compared to white people? Or how they're treated by their peers (note that I included "how your friends treat you" as part of culture)? Meme Emulator posted:From my, correct, point of view, people who play games avoid Hidden Object games because they are poorly made. These games are poorly made because the developers that make them have no respect for their audience. Our society's very powerful bias to take feminine tings less seriously than masculine things results in the creators of these games putting in little effort on the product. "People who play games" avoid Hidden Object games except for, you know, all the people that keep buying them. Or maybe those are just Fake Gamer Girls. And you have yet to present any actual evidence that HOPA games are more poorly made than FPS games or other male dominated genres, apart from an assertion that "sure, maybe the AAA FPS genre is an endless river of poo poo now, but it had better games in the past."
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:06 |
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icantfindaname posted:Because it isn't a real problem I would say it's potentially a problem if people associate it with Leftist activism as a whole.
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:07 |
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Lumpy the Cook posted:The amount of care and attention that people under the age of 35 in wealthy educated nations give to things like gaming journalism, Joss Whedon, and women depictions in the Batman video game, compared to the care and attention they give to things like the inevitable depletion of critical resources needed for large populations to survive and the collapse of the planet's ecosystems, is enough to tell me that the human race has about as much chance of making it to the 22nd century as this forum has of making into 2017.
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:07 |
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Effectronica posted:
It is, though. Dehumanize yourself and face to bloodshed. Actually I think you've already done that so
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:07 |
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Bedlamdan posted:kickstarter pretty much makes it impossible to get those things short of legal action. a warning to anyone who pledges on kickstarter then.
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:07 |
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Bedlamdan posted:kickstarter pretty much makes it impossible to get those things short of legal action. If you paid by credit card usually you can send to to the disputes department at the issuing bank. Usually there is a limit on how far back you can dispute though.
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:08 |
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unlimited shrimp posted:That's largely true, yes. That doesn't mean it isn't a thing. People already do that and will do it regardless of reality. So long as bigotry gets even the mildest of criticism from any angle at all, there will be people screaming POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!!!!!!!! at the top of their lungs, it's not worth acknowledging them I mean it's been happening in the real world for like 40 years now, it's only because nerds insulated from the real world for their whole lives are finally starting to run into it that this is even a thing icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Jun 26, 2015 |
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icantfindaname posted:Because it isn't a real problem Neither is violence/sexism in video games
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Dreylad posted:a warning to anyone who pledges on kickstarter then. Yes
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Bholder posted:Neither is violence/sexism in video games Is sexism a real problem? Why or why not?
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Effectronica posted:Is sexism a real problem? Why or why not? Gonna go with... maybe...
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# ? Jun 26, 2015 21:09 |
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Sinnlos posted:If you paid by credit card usually you can send to to the disputes department at the issuing bank. Usually there is a limit on how far back you can dispute though. DO NOT claim fraud though. You'll get laughed at.
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