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steinrokkan posted:Voodoo and cajun aristocrat families living in their swamp mansions like nothing changed? Sign me up! Djanghoul Unchained
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Rutibex posted:I don't fully understand why the Enclave and Brotherhood are at odds with each other. They are both remnants of the pre-war American government, both dedicated to preserving technology, both are pretty much amoral. It seems to me that they should be bros, the have almost identical agendas. I mean yeah sure the DC "good guy" branch doesn't like them, but you would think the outcasts would be knocking at their door. I'm still not sure if you're trolling or just dense, but the Brotherhood is dedicated to keeping pre-war technology out of the "wrong hands" and it's pretty hard to find wronger hands than the people who blew up the world in the first place. The BoS rebelled (and started executing evil scientists) while the bombs were still dropping. The Enclave are the only ones who act like the USA is worth bringing back.
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Duckbag posted:See, it actually doesn't bother me at all that I disagree with him. It gives me an excuse to argue and show off my sweet, sweet superiority complex. It's worth noting that the Enclave probably wants the project up and running under their control so they can dump the FEV into it just in case the Lone Wanderer chooses not to use the sample President-for-battery-life Eden gives him at Raven Rock.
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Duckbag posted:I'm still not sure if you're trolling or just dense, but the Brotherhood is dedicated to keeping pre-war technology out of the "wrong hands" and it's pretty hard to find wronger hands than the people who blew up the world in the first place. The BoS rebelled (and started executing evil scientists) while the bombs were still dropping. The Enclave are the only ones who act like the USA is worth bringing back. Oh yeah, I guess I forgot that part of the BoS back story, I hadn't played Fallout 1 in years. To be fair, in New Vegas Caesar talks about meeting some Brotherhood members that don't even remember the name of their founder, Rodger Maxton. If the Brotherhood can't even remember what their mission is I can't be expected to!
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Jun 27, 2015 01:56
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King Vidiot posted:That's not what "post-apocalyptic" means. Even in Mad Max, the grand-daddy of modern post-apocalyptic fiction there's always some glimmer of hope, even if it's just the fact that there's a crazy guy out there loving up the plans of bondage-wearing raider parties. "Post-apocalyptic" just means that the fiction takes place after some catastrophic event destroys civilization, and the people left behind have to pick up the pieces. Then every modern shooter/story/and literally everything is post-apocalyptic as we have had plenty of societal collapses that we picked the pieces up from. In the grand-daddy Mad Max, Max was that glimmer of hope and the movie was about the coming world breaking him for it. The glimmer of hope is always gilded and never amounts to anything but people are seemingly demanding that it should. Three hundred years after the bombs dropped in Fallout with the number of people alive and the tech available it would just be civilization, it'd be CoD: Art Deco Warfare not Fallout.
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Can't we just enjoy the game about "adventures in the nuclear wasteland" because that sounds way more fun than "adventures in civilisation because theoretically enough time has passed in the fiction to allow for the rebuilding of civilisation" Just pretend the magic fallout universe background radiation has made everyone retarded so they subconsciously avoid getting too civilised if it really upsets you that much.
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MAKE WAY NEW STARS posted:Can't we just enjoy the game about "adventures in the nuclear wasteland" because that sounds way more fun than "adventures in civilisation because theoretically enough time has passed in the fiction to allow for the rebuilding of civilisation" That's my opinion.
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SirDan3k posted:Then every modern shooter/story/and literally everything is post-apocalyptic as we have had plenty of societal collapses that we picked the pieces up from. Please stop being such a dense baby, tia
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Rutibex posted:Oh yeah, I guess I forgot that part of the BoS back story, I hadn't played Fallout 1 in years. The length of time since the creation of the Brotherhood of Steel is the direct result of the splits it suffers. The original BoS started out trying to preserve pre-war technology, but evolved into essentially a xenophobic technocult that tries to actually take advanced tech from wastelanders using it to keep it out of their filthy hands. The East Coast Brotherhood in turn evolved from that to a mission of protection, preserving technology but also trying to use it to help the wasteland. The Brotherhood Outcasts are a group of the East Coast Brotherhood who believe in the "original" mission they set out with and split off to keep up the xenophobia.
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SirDan3k posted:Except that's dumb because an apocalypse where people rebuild afterwards isn't an apocalypse. Society will never rebuild in Fallout and shouldn't, the NCR should be in flames held up as a failed attempt that was eaten alive by the new reality that is the wasteland. The Enclave and the Brotherhood should keep fracturing apart into splinter groups that work against each other. isnt there enough hoplessly nihlistic post apocalpyse stuff floating around? the interesting thing about the fallout series, even in FO3 and tactics, is that they show how new communities spring up and try to reform society.
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Jun 27, 2015 02:43
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I think "adventures in a nuclear wasteland" can still have hope in it, though. It doesn't have to be misery porn just because society hasn't really reformed.
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Jun 27, 2015 02:45
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Its almost as if a game with a story generally requires an objective for you to want to work towards to compel you to move the narrative along Hmmmmmmmmmm
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Fallout should be a tower defense game where you keep mutants, ghouls, raiders and deathclaws from ransacking your vault. That's it. No outside civilizations except for other Vaults that are slowing losing their own wars. The game only ends when your vault is finally destroyed. There is no win condition, because this is the apocalypse.
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Jun 27, 2015 02:48
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Actually, being able to hold off a siege of Vault 13 from the Master's Army would have been pretty boss.
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Jun 27, 2015 02:50
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Lotish posted:Fallout should be a tower defense game where you keep mutants, ghouls, raiders and deathclaws from ransacking your vault. That's it. No outside civilizations except for other Vaults that are slowing losing their own wars. The game only ends when your vault is finally destroyed. There is no win condition, because this is the apocalypse. I don't know where you got the information for the next mobile game, but someone here at Bethesda is losing their job for breaking confidentiality! 
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Jun 27, 2015 02:52
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Fallout should be an ascii roguelike where you die immediately after character creation because apocalypse. Would really save on dev costs and speed up that release cycle for the inevitable yearly updates they'll be putting out to cash in on this smash hit idea everyone has been craving.
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Lotish posted:Fallout should be a tower defense game where you keep mutants, ghouls, raiders and deathclaws from ransacking your vault. That's it. No outside civilizations except for other Vaults that are slowing losing their own wars. The game only ends when your vault is finally destroyed. There is no win condition, because this is the apocalypse. I'd be cool with a Fallout mod for Dwarf Fortress.
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Moridin920 posted:lol but why?
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Lotish posted:Fallout should be a tower defense game where you keep mutants, ghouls, raiders and deathclaws from ransacking your vault. That's it. No outside civilizations except for other Vaults that are slowing losing their own wars. The game only ends when your vault is finally destroyed. There is no win condition, because this is the apocalypse. Bethesda litteraly just made that game 10 days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bojh0L-VArs
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chitoryu12 posted:I'd be cool with a Fallout mod for Dwarf Fortress. It's been a while since I played it and it was alpha as gently caress but there was one.
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Jun 27, 2015 02:58
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I spend 20 minutes adjusting character's facial features and choosing stats. Once done, I exit character creation. I am standing in the wasteland, nothing but silence and desolation in every direction. My character, obviously starving, trudges forward three agonising steps before vomiting blood and collapsing to the floor, dead of radiation sickness. Later, a one-legged feral child happens on my corpse and attempts to eat it, but lacks the energy to chew. The child also dies. I turn off the console, satisfied with my post apocalyptic video game experience.
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Jun 27, 2015 03:01
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The next Fallout game should take place after society rebuilds from the apocalypse and returns to a normality indistinguishable from our own and the game is basically Tony Hawk Pro Skater with a main character named "Bogus".
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Jun 27, 2015 03:03
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The only difference is they still use bottlecaps. Mountain dew bottle caps. You scan in the code to buy things. Sponsored by Doritos.
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Jun 27, 2015 03:11
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2house2fly posted:I spend 20 minutes adjusting character's facial features and choosing stats. Once done, I exit character creation. I am standing in the wasteland, nothing but silence and desolation in every direction. My character, obviously starving, trudges forward three agonising steps before vomiting blood and collapsing to the floor, dead of radiation sickness. Later, a one-legged feral child happens on my corpse and attempts to eat it, but lacks the energy to chew. The child also dies. I turn off the console, satisfied with my post apocalyptic video game experience. I would play the hell out of The Road: The Game. It could be a rogue-like, the only objective is to survive as long as you can, there is no winning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8RuQrhVBvo
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2house2fly posted:I spend 20 minutes adjusting character's facial features and choosing stats. Once done, I exit character creation. I am standing in the wasteland, nothing but silence and desolation in every direction. My character, obviously starving, trudges forward three agonising steps before vomiting blood and collapsing to the floor, dead of radiation sickness. Later, a one-legged feral child happens on my corpse and attempts to eat it, but lacks the energy to chew. The child also dies. I turn off the console, satisfied with my post apocalyptic video game experience. Lead writer, Joe Lidster. Cream-of-Plenty posted:The next Fallout game should take place after society rebuilds from the apocalypse and returns to a normality indistinguishable from our own and the game is basically Tony Hawk Pro Skater with a main character named "Bogus". The series obviously wore out its welcome some time ago, but I would have played a Tony Hawk: Nuclear Wasteland DLC pack for THPS2 or 3 back in the day.
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Cojawfee posted:The only difference is they still use bottlecaps. Mountain dew bottle caps. You scan in the code to buy things. Sponsored by Doritos. Oh my god... It... It was Earth all along! 
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MAKE WAY NEW STARS posted:Fallout should be an ascii roguelike where you die immediately after character creation because apocalypse. Wasn't there a post-apocalyptic tabletop RPG where you could die during character creation? I seem to remember there was.
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Farm Frenzy posted:isnt there enough hoplessly nihlistic post apocalpyse stuff floating around? the interesting thing about the fallout series, even in FO3 and tactics, is that they show how new communities spring up and try to reform society. This is exactly why I like Fallout. Over 200 years after the apocalypse we should be seeing widespread reconstruction and the games should be examining the conflicts that arise from different groups meeting on their frontiers.
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SirDan3k posted:Then every modern shooter/story/and literally everything is post-apocalyptic as we have had plenty of societal collapses that we picked the pieces up from. 
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...but seriously, "post-apocalyptic" doesn't mean after a literal apocalypse, it just means after something wipes out most of civilization. Life can thrive in places in a post-apocalyptic setting, civilization can rebuild and it doesn't make it "less" post-apocalyptic. Something bad happened in the past, we pick up the action in the present after the bad thing that happened. That's it. That's Fallout. Hell the word "Fallout" itself can just mean "after something (usually bad) happened".
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Fallout 5 should be set 70 years post new vegas, focusing further on the post-post apocalyptic setting. The NCR has spread across the continent, and renamed itself the 'New American Republic'. The NCRs values of liberty, democracy and old american values has produced a society not unlike the long lost dream of old-world America itself. Contact has been made with other new, makeshift nations overseas: The New Kentish Republic, now the New British United Kingdom has unified and their old values of constitutional monarchy, democracy and British values has produced a society not unlike the long lost dream of old-world Britain itself. Society runs more or less the same way it did pre-war, but challenges remain. A new lone wanderer emerges in Eastern Yankstate and the NAR calls upon them to help keep order in the harsh wasteland, optic fibre cables for broadband is a key concern of citizens, with tensions between various factions (now wrapped in the flags of so called political parties) coming to the fore. But to the east a new foe emerges which seeks to undo what the west has done, because War, War never changes.
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Fallout 5 should turn out to be Elder Scrolls 6 because your precious time has passed and since you want it so bad the world got over the apocalypse by regressing to medieval poo poo and elves and dragons are just mutants or something and there you go Fallout is ruined and replaced with more fantasy bullshit hope you're proud of yourselves goons.
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maev posted:Fallout 5 should be set 70 years post new vegas, focusing further on the post-post apocalyptic setting. The NCR has spread across the continent, and renamed itself the 'New American Republic'. The NCRs values of liberty, democracy and old american values has produced a society not unlike the long lost dream of old-world America itself. Contact has been made with other new, makeshift nations overseas: If the British don't invade in Fallout 4, I'll be disappointed.
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MAKE WAY NEW STARS posted:Fallout 5 should turn out to be Elder Scrolls 6 because your precious time has passed and since you want it so bad the world got over the apocalypse by regressing to medieval poo poo and elves and dragons are just mutants or something and there you go Fallout is ruined and replaced with more fantasy bullshit hope you're proud of yourselves goons. Maybe there shouldn't be a Fallout 5
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maev posted:Fallout 5 should be set 70 years post new vegas, focusing further on the post-post apocalyptic setting. The NCR has spread across the continent, and renamed itself the 'New American Republic'. The NCRs values of liberty, democracy and old american values has produced a society not unlike the long lost dream of old-world America itself. Contact has been made with other new, makeshift nations overseas: Post-post apocalypse, the NCR becomes the "New United States" which, under the command of General Washington II, crosses the Delaware and does some patriotic stuff that leads to vacuum tubes and nuclear bombs, resulting in a world war that annihilates much of civilization and prompts people to shelter in vaults for decades before reemerging to reclaim the irradiated wasteland.
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2house2fly posted:Maybe there shouldn't be a Fallout 5 Why?
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Sharkopath posted:Why? Because no matter how much you love your grandmother, you don't want to see somebody dig up her corpse and use foul magicks to resurrect her corporeal form so that it might have sex with a wiry, wild-eyed T. Howard. Have some dignity for the dead.
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Jun 27, 2015 04:57
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In before Sharkopath responds with a saucy "Speak for yourself!" as his eyes roll around in his fat loving head while a silly slide whistle plays.
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Which other company do people want the Fallout IP to go?
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Lotish posted:If the British don't invade in Fallout 4, I'll be disappointed. The British lack the resources to invade a gecko pit, and we put rockets on the Constitution. Nobody is invading poo poo.
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