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Germstore posted:Anita's videos that I've watched are really bad. I've only watched a couple, the Hunger Games and the Beyond Good and Evil videos, because life is short.  or this http://gamer-gate.wikia.com/wiki/Anita_Sarkeesian
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Jack Gladney posted:What is bad about them? Is there something mistaken in the claim that there are very different narrative associations in American media between a man saving a woman and a woman saving a man? This was kind of my point. Have you watched the video? Watch the video, and tell me if you were educated, enlightened or entertained.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:08
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Shadoer posted:Well to the point of free speech, I think people should be able to express their opinions no matter how horrible they are. Yes some social censure is understandable, but not to the point of that their are condemned to poverty and effective exile because of it. You're wrong. Ostracism is absolutely warranted when the opinions expressed are repellent enough. Free speech has entirely to do with government restrictions. How can you not understand this? Wait I have an idea as to how, you are part of a coddled movement of privileged men who say things and expect to be praised for it. When you get scorn instead of praise, you run off looking for a protector. quote:See the above, and no I don't think misogyny is misunderstood. I do find value in the topic debated though, if only to put feminism through the crucible to tighten the what it is and what it isn't. They know what it is. You are the one who needs to broaden your definition, it doesn't need to be tightened. What you just said, for example, is misogynist. I don't expect you to have the capacity to learn this, but I am saying it in the hopes that others will learn from your failure.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:09
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Anita Sarkeesian's videos are pretty bad. They're boring undergraduate, sometimes even high school level writing and extremely basic. But they're also accurate and completely inoffensive. Part of it is because she probably actually theoretically targeting these videos towards high schoolers. People who hate her are just puzzling. Her detractors label her a fake gamer, but I think their main problem with her is she actually is a real gamer, and pretty, and judging them and their version of the hobby. It's shattering to their fantasy of the attractive girl gamer who agrees with them on everything and likes the same things they like, and hurts their feeling more than if it were some random professor.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:11
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Shadoer posted:
Nobody has argued against this. quote:Yes some social censure is understandable, but not to the point of that their are condemned to poverty and effective exile because of it. I'm not sure what you mean by this. Do you mean that if someone is a white supremacist, or a misogynist, that their employment should be privileged and they shouldn't be able to be laid off for saying offensive things? quote:My citing of past examples was to demonstrate that ideas at the time considered disgusting eventually won because of free speech, not that misogyny will be accepted or is right (it's not right). The thing is, in order to advance society you need to have an environment where people can express their ideas without having to worry it's the end of their lives. It wasn't won because of free speech, though. I'm not sure why you think free speech was the mechanism that won the civil rights movement. Do you not know the history of the civil rights movement in the US very well? And again, nobody is arguing against free speech in the first place. And again: Are you saying that if someone states they think some races are lesser than other races, you're saying that person's job should be specially protected, that they should join the other protected classes and be safe for being fired?
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Jun 29, 2015 16:11
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When society demonstrates a sufficient understanding of feminism at the intro level, maybe she will post more advanced videos. Until then, it looks like intro level is what is needed.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:12
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SedanChair posted:When society demonstrates a sufficient understanding of feminism at the intro level, maybe she will post more advanced videos. Until then, it looks like intro level is what is needed. They aren't educational though because she takes anything about feminism that she says as a given, and flies past it to do more my first book report.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:14
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Remedial education becomes necessary when you fail every test. The kickstarter was the first test.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:14
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Germstore posted:They aren't educational though because she takes anything about feminism that she says as a given, and flies past it to do more my first book report. It is a given.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:16
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SedanChair posted:It is a given. If you're trying to educate someone on feminism, why would the one thing you say about feminism. If I put up a video about math, but the only thing I said about math was, "as we know the circumference of a circle is two pi radians," and then went on to talk about trains for something for another five minutes would that be a good math video?
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Jun 29, 2015 16:20
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Cingulate posted:Have you seen the attacks on her? I wouldn't defend her against an attakc such as "she's making kind of obvious points" or "who gives a gently caress about video games" or I guess this guy who said her color correction is bad because I have no idea about color correction, but people are treating her like she had called for ... well, basically, as if she had said video games are often sexist. Which she did. And for which one, in this society, one gets this The beat up em style of stupid flash games have been around since shockwave. The originals had you bloodying barney the dinosaur and oj simpson. They're dumb but not uncommon.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:20
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Something being true doesn't mean it is a given. Some of the concepts desperately require explanation. It's a given that .99 repeating equals 1 but it sure as heck requires some elaboration.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:23
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Germstore posted:If you're trying to educate someone on feminism, why would the one thing you say about feminism. If I put up a video about math, but the only thing I said about math was, "as we know the circumference of a circle is two pi radians," and then went on to talk about trains for something for another five minutes would that be a good math video? Here's the basic you need to know about Feminism in order to understand Anita's videos: "Women are people too, and media often depicts them in a way that denies them agency" That's pretty much it. e: Even this basic level of understanding is far beyond the realms of some people who have made repeated claims that Anita is a sex negative feminist who hates women's bodies failing to take into account she is talking about depictions of women, not actual women, and depictions of women often not even made by women. Rush Limbo fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Jun 29, 2015 |
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Jun 29, 2015 16:24
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greatn posted:Something being true doesn't mean it is a given. Some of the concepts desperately require explanation. It's a given that .99 repeating equals 1 but it sure as heck requires some elaboration. What concepts in the videos are too complex to grasp within the context of one specific video?
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Jun 29, 2015 16:24
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Germstore posted:If you're trying to educate someone on feminism, why would the one thing you say about feminism. If I put up a video about math, but the only thing I said about math was, "as we know the circumference of a circle is two pi radians," and then went on to talk about trains for something for another five minutes would that be a good math video? I think her message is only impenetrable to misogynists who are invested in not understanding it. I imagined her audience to be primarily young women who would appreciate the message that no, they're not crazy, the messaging in many video games is noxious and against women. For that audience, no further explanation is necessary.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:27
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:The beat up em style of stupid flash games have been around since shockwave. The originals had you bloodying barney the dinosaur and oj simpson. They're dumb but not uncommon. Do you think this one has the same meaning as the barney one?
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Jun 29, 2015 16:28
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Ddraig posted:Here's the basic you need to know about Feminism in order to understand Anita's videos: That doesn't make the videos good. Is she preaching to the choir or educating the children because they're not appropriate for either. She can't be both doing feminism remediation and taking remedial points as a given.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:28
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Germstore posted:That doesn't make the videos good. Is she preaching to the choir or educating the children because they're not appropriate for either. She can't be both doing feminism remediation and taking remedial points as a given. I think that most people who are completely uneducated about feminism are still actually at the point where they think that women are people. The entirety of her videos is demonstrating the media depictions bit.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:31
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Dr. Stab posted:I think that most people who are completely uneducated about feminism are still actually at the point where they think that women are people. The entirety of her videos is demonstrating the media depictions bit. What does that have to do with her videos being bad?
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Jun 29, 2015 16:32
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SedanChair posted:Do you think this one has the same meaning as the barney one? I can't comment on that because I haven't played it. Also because most flash games of that calibre are the sort of dark humor you'd see on newgrounds
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Jun 29, 2015 16:32
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Germstore posted:That doesn't make the videos good. Is she preaching to the choir or educating the children because they're not appropriate for either. She can't be both doing feminism remediation and taking remedial points as a given. What concepts in the videos are too sophisticated for a general audience?
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Jun 29, 2015 16:33
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SedanChair posted:Do you think this one has the same meaning as the barney one? What meaning do you draw from the Punch Jack Thompson in the face game of which the Sarkeesian one is a re-skin of?
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Jun 29, 2015 16:33
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Germstore posted:What does that have to do with her videos being bad? I'm contesting your point that they don't work on a "remedial" basis.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:34
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Jack Gladney posted:What concepts in the videos are too sophisticated for a general audience? She neither goes in depth or builds upon any idea she presents. She should do one of these. I don't really care which, but she does neither.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:37
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:The beat up em style of stupid flash games have been around since shockwave. The originals had you bloodying barney the dinosaur and oj simpson. They're dumb but not uncommon. Germstore posted:She neither goes in depth or builds upon any idea she presents. She should do one of these. I don't really care which, but she does neither. These people are not complainig that her problem is that she's too obvious. Here, I'll quote it for you: quote:Sanita Arkeesian (stage name Feminist Frequency) is a misandrist game journalist and known jew. This is not an appropriate reaction to the perception that "her feminist critique is superficial".
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Jun 29, 2015 16:40
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:I can't comment on that because I haven't played it. Also because most flash games of that calibre are the sort of dark humor you'd see on newgrounds I think you know what the difference is and are chickening out. Zombywuf posted:What meaning do you draw from the Punch Jack Thompson in the face game of which the Sarkeesian one is a re-skin of? A different one.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:43
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What in the gently caress does her being jewish have to do with anything? also people who dislike someone's opinion don't send death threats and child porn to the, Jesus loving Christ. also who are the ones with access to child porn, we should hunt them down.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:43
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SedanChair posted:A different one. What? Punching old men you disagree with is fine?
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Jun 29, 2015 16:44
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SedanChair posted:I think you know what the difference is and are chickening out. I honestly don't care what flash games do what because I can separate fantasy from reality. It's indifference. If it bothers you, they win.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:44
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I don't care about people burning effigies because I can separate fantasy from reality.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:45
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computer parts posted:I don't care about people burning effigies because I can separate fantasy from reality. isn't that what people do on Guy Fawkes Day?
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Jun 29, 2015 16:48
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computer parts posted:I don't care about people burning effigies because I can separate fantasy from reality. You should post that picture of the chair being hanged.
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Zombywuf posted:What? Punching old men you disagree with is fine? No, but the meaning of fantasizing about punching men and punching women is different. InsanityIsCrazy posted:I honestly don't care what flash games do what because I can separate fantasy from reality. It's indifference. If it bothers you, they win. That's an indifference you're privileged to have.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:49
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SedanChair posted:No, but the meaning of fantasizing about punching men and punching women is different.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:50
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:I honestly don't care what flash games do what because I can separate fantasy from reality. It's indifference. If it bothers you, they win. What is your opinion on the "lolicon" genre of pornography? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:You should post that picture of the chair being hanged. 
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SedanChair posted:No, but the meaning of fantasizing about punching men and punching women is different. Its probably not actually.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:51
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SedanChair posted:No, but the meaning of fantasizing about punching men and punching women is different. If you're not going to elaborate I'm just going to assume your motives are terrible.
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Jun 29, 2015 16:51
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Sinnlos posted:What is your opinion on the "lolicon" genre of pornography? Porn is for losers. What does this have to do with game journalism?
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Cyron posted:What in the gently caress does her being jewish have to do with anything? A lot of GG supporters are frequent 8chan posters, and 8chan is incredibly antisemitic.
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