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I thought most of the attention for Hatred came from Valve removing it hours after it was greenlit, not from some organized campaign to have it banned. Hatred played gamers like a drat fiddle!
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The youtube trailer had over a million views by the third day and their was a really hilarious passive aggressive like dislike war going on with it.
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Jul 4, 2015 04:10
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Quote-Unquote posted:How did people feel about the last Tomb Raider game? I thought it was pretty good imo. It was nice to see a protagonist out of her depth that starts off really reluctant to be violent, is kinda disgusted with herself when she realises what horrible things she's capable of and then basically goes full on Linda Hamilton doing whatever the gently caress it takes to survive and ensure the safety of her friends and loved ones when faced with an unstoppable supernatural force. Also it cast aside a dumb romance angle and kept on reinforcing how dumb it was to have anything romantic going on during this serious poo poo trying to kill everybody. Unlike every single Bioware rpg where you press the 'nice' button a handful of times while trying to save the universe and get a sex scene for your efforts even though you're all about to die. The new Wolfenstein has an excellent woman character in it that gets even better if you start investigating her history more. My av is a flayed pony skin over a Necron. I don't think I've ever loved it this much.
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Jul 4, 2015 04:38
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The new Tomb Raider was actually pretty rad, if you can get past the dumb rebar impaling part that ultimately had no consequence. I can even forgive the generic Gears of War combat, since it was fairly solid anyway.
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Jul 4, 2015 04:41
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://archive.is/Ph7Cf It seems like you are going out of your way to find something to be outraged over. Is this a commonly held view in games criticism/press? I'm pretty sure you can find even more absurd outlier views, so why mention this one? It isn't like we can censor everyone who holds a strange opinion, and I don't think she is a big enough voice to make the effort to dismiss her views 
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Jul 4, 2015 04:46
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natetimm posted:The new Wolfenstein has an excellent woman character in it that gets even better if you start investigating her history more. hell yes. I kinda hope if Blazko is dead, the torch is passed to anya. Playing as polish lady nazi killer would be interesting.
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Jul 4, 2015 05:01
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OMG JC a Bomb! posted:The new Tomb Raider was actually pretty rad, if you can get past the dumb rebar impaling part that ultimately had no consequence. I can even forgive the generic Gears of War combat, since it was fairly solid anyway. Yeah the beginning part seemed to border on gratuitous torture porn with as much poo poo the game throws at Laura that it made me feel almost uncomfortable to play. Not because she's a woman, but because it's so needless and senseless. But a few hours into it picks up and because a competent if ultimately forgettable cover shooter.
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Jul 4, 2015 05:03
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Dapper_Swindler posted:hell yes. I kinda hope if Blazko is dead, the torch is passed to anya. Playing as polish lady nazi killer would be interesting. Can you say Power-armored Nazi Killer? Who What Now posted:Yeah the beginning part seemed to border on gratuitous torture porn with as much poo poo the game throws at Laura that it made me feel almost uncomfortable to play. Not because she's a woman, but because it's so needless and senseless. But a few hours into it picks up and because a competent if ultimately forgettable cover shooter. They're basically trying to emulate 'Die Hard' in over-the-top videogame fashion and just instead of drawing it out over the course of the game they do it right at the beginning.
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Jul 4, 2015 05:11
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Dapper_Swindler posted:hell yes. I kinda hope if Blazko is dead, the torch is passed to anya. Playing as polish lady nazi killer would be interesting. I don't think he is. You can hear a helicopter close by during the credit sequence, so it's implied that they got to him
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Jul 4, 2015 09:49
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Ddraig posted:I don't think he is. You can hear a helicopter close by during the credit sequence, so it's implied that they got to him No, he isn't. But I really do want to play a Power Armored Nazi Killer Also, everyone should get the New Order. It is a really good loving game. There aren't many games that are in the alt-history genre and this one is a really good one.
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Jul 4, 2015 09:51
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blackguy32 posted:I thought most of the attention for Hatred came from Valve removing it hours after it was greenlit, not from some organized campaign to have it banned. The original trailer got a lot of attention for pushing everyone's buttons in an age of shooting massacres and terror paranoia. The cherry on top was the guy behind it sharing his death fantasy about Gabe Newell and then getting his game pulled for it. EDIT: pathetic little tramp posted:I don't think it really matters whether it's a neonazi game or not, I think the content which should obviously be censored matters, unless you're the sort who thinks child porn is a-ok if it's drawn instead of using real people Well, yeah, in practice I think we have so much difficulty catching all the people committing crimes against actual victims, that we should probably put off the CSI Idea Crimes Division. Call me a pragmatist. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 10:05 on Jul 4, 2015 |
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Jul 4, 2015 09:57
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Craptacular! posted:The cherry on top was the guy behind it sharing his death fantasy about Gabe Newell and then getting his game pulled for it. The guy who voiced a desire to kill Gabe and got his game pulled was the Paranautical Activity guy, not the Hatred guys
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Jul 4, 2015 10:06
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pathetic little tramp posted:I don't think it really matters whether it's a neonazi game or not, I think the content which should obviously be censored matters, unless you're the sort who thinks child porn is a-ok if it's drawn instead of using real people; I just think it's funny that I'm calmly presenting this game as unnecessarily violent and I immediately get a bunch of people furiously typing at me, crying that it's not a neonazi game, how dare i think that, and it's unfair for me to say it. This poo poo is why no headway is made on these kinds of arguments. As soon as someone argues that it's wrong to censor something just because it's offensive some clever fellow holds a rhetorical gun to their head and forces them to stand up and explain to the class why the legal reasons that child pornography is every kind of illegal don't apply to drawings. Enjoy your endless shouting contest. E: Oh hey look, 2008 http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/12/why-defend-freedom-of-icky-speech.html it's almost like this poo poo never changes. Twinty Zuleps fucked around with this message at 12:40 on Jul 4, 2015 |
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Jul 4, 2015 12:38
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Craptacular! posted:The original trailer got a lot of attention for pushing everyone's buttons in an age of shooting massacres and terror paranoia. The cherry on top was the guy behind it sharing his death fantasy about Gabe Newell and then getting his game pulled for it. That was a different game.
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Jul 4, 2015 12:57
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Wulfolme posted:This poo poo is why no headway is made on these kinds of arguments. As soon as someone argues that it's wrong to censor something just because it's offensive some clever fellow holds a rhetorical gun to their head and forces them to stand up and explain to the class why the legal reasons that child pornography is every kind of illegal don't apply to drawings. Enjoy your endless shouting contest. Are you just complaining about the fact that arguments like those Gaiman lays out are compelling? Because that's sure what it looks like.
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Jul 4, 2015 13:14
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I reserve the right to dislike people for supporting racist groups and actively make their lives harder for it
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Jul 4, 2015 13:38
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Smudgie Buggler posted:Are you just complaining about the fact that arguments like those Gaiman lays out are compelling? Because that's sure what it looks like. It's funny because gamergate were a bit upset that he didn't support them and blamed Amanda Palmer for turning him sjw.
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Jul 4, 2015 14:14
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Tokamak posted:It's funny because gamergate were a bit upset that he didn't support them and blamed Amanda Palmer for turning him sjw. This guy "gamergate" sure sounds like a bad egg. Does this dude have a blog or something?
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Jul 4, 2015 14:26
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OMG JC a Bomb! posted:The new Tomb Raider was actually pretty rad, if you can get past the dumb rebar impaling part that ultimately had no consequence. I can even forgive the generic Gears of War combat, since it was fairly solid anyway. It suffered from the developers going "look at how new and risky we're being with our new dark Lara Croft. This is just like walking dead and dark knight, because we know you guys are totally into that." It thankfully improved once it got away from the whole death-murder-simulation sections and returned to just being an action game with interesting scenery.
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Jul 4, 2015 14:58
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Smudgie Buggler posted:Are you just complaining about the fact that arguments like those Gaiman lays out are compelling? Because that's sure what it looks like. Sure, we can talk past each other for a bit: You have to stand up for poo poo you don't want to if you're going to stand up for anything, and there's always someone who only wants to talk about how disgusting it is that you're defending something disgusting, and they're often the one that insisted you defend it to begin with if you defend anything they don't approve of.
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Jul 4, 2015 15:07
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WMain00 posted:It suffered from the developers going "look at how new and risky we're being with our new dark Lara Croft. This is just like walking dead and dark knight, because we know you guys are totally into that." Like half the opening tutorial stuff was an homage to First Blood.
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Jul 4, 2015 15:10
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Smudgie Buggler posted:Are you just complaining about the fact that arguments like those Gaiman lays out are compelling? Because that's sure what it looks like. I hate to answer for this guy, but I definately think he's getting at something wayyyy different so I'm going to take a whack at it: He's more or less just noting one way that arguments about censorship can be shut down is by a escalating and derailing the subject in a way that exploits the ignorance of whoever is arguing against censorship in general. Let my try to show what I mean with an example: Now take Joe, the incredibly boring Internet poster, who is arguing that videogame violence should not be censored because doing so would censor compelling media which, in context, is about how violence and war are bad. Joe can make this argument without coming across as a sociopath because he's played Spec Ops: The Line, a game which is extremely violent but also shows that violence is a terrible thing. Now let's say Jane, the remarkably boring Internet poster, yanks the general free speech principles Joe advocates and applies them to fictional media that sexualizes children. Joe internet poster doesn't know much about that media, he never read Lolita or Lost Girls or really much of anything, as he's wasted his life consuming Adam Sandler movies and Let's Plays. He's totally unprepared to pursue this argument without coming across as a pedophile and the absolute best option for him is to completely back down from it entirely. Gaimans argument, on the other hand, is a pretty compelling one, at the very least you don't walk away from it thinking he's a pedophile. But he can only pull that off because he's thought about it and understands it and can talk about it at length in a thoughtful and nuanced way while pulling out a lot of detailed examples and personal experiences. Most of the arguments Joe and Jane get in, on the other hand, are restricted to 140 characters and thier intellectual background is nonexistent. As an aside, please stop reading this thread, you're one of the better posters here and I'd hate to see your brain leak out your ears from looking at this too long. Hell just the other week I peeped in on this thread and suffered a huge seizure due to its awfulness, which has subsequently hosed up my ability to speak properly. OK, maybe that was just the temporal lobe epilepsy and not gamer gate, but nobody should take that chance.
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Jul 4, 2015 15:11
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Craptacular! posted:The original trailer got a lot of attention for pushing everyone's buttons in an age of shooting massacres and terror paranoia. The cherry on top was the guy behind it sharing his death fantasy about Gabe Newell and then getting his game pulled for it. The game your referencing about the Gabe Newell death fantasy isn't hatred.
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Jul 4, 2015 15:26
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I've shared death fantasies about Gabe Newell over Dota 2 multiple times, it's natural behaviour that should not be considered controversial or strange. Remodel Viper and Zeus already you fat gently caress
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Jul 4, 2015 15:28
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Broniki posted:I've shared death fantasies about Gabe Newell over Dota 2 multiple times, it's natural behaviour that should not be considered controversial or strange. If Gabe has survived this long in the state he's in chances are good internet death threats aren't going to push him over the edge. Still a lovely thing to do, though. Leave the fat man alone.
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Jul 4, 2015 15:53
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Ddraig posted:If Gabe has survived this long in the state he's in chances are good internet death threats aren't going to push him over the edge. No you see going after Gabe Newell is completely fine because he's white and rich, so that's "punching up".
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Jul 4, 2015 15:59
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I doubt Gabe worries too much, he just takes it on the chins.
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Jul 4, 2015 16:09
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Fluo posted:This guy "gamergate" sure sounds like a bad egg. Does this dude have a blog or something? Nope. It turns out nobody is Gamersgate. I thought that deepfreeze was the GG website, but it turns out that that's 'extremist'. Apparently GG doesn't actually exist, which is great, because if it did it would be really stupid.
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Jul 4, 2015 16:40
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Obdicut posted:Nope. It turns out nobody is Gamersgate. I thought that deepfreeze was the GG website, but it turns out that that's 'extremist'. Apparently GG doesn't actually exist, which is great, because if it did it would be really stupid. The specter of Gamergate hanging around the twitters
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Jul 4, 2015 16:49
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The invisable hand of twitter.
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Jul 4, 2015 16:51
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Obdicut posted:Nope. It turns out nobody is Gamersgate. I thought that deepfreeze was the GG website, but it turns out that that's 'extremist'. Apparently GG doesn't actually exist, which is great, because if it did it would be really stupid. More violently.
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Jul 4, 2015 16:51
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Cingulate posted:I'm pretty sure if gamergaters completely stopped posting ITT, we'd just turn against each other violently. That's a pretty silly thing to think. Is calling that thought of yours 'silly' turning on you, though? Makes you think. It is really telling, to me, t hat the thread returns to Sarkeesian over and over, even though the complaints against her have zero to do with ethics, except for the incredibly tendentious claim that the speed at which she puts out videos amounts to unethical conduct. Yet, people like OMG JC a Bomb! are obsessed with her to the point of trying to paint her as bad because of a job she had at 23. It's really weird. GG's focus seems to be, on sheer volume, about wanting to shut down criticism--the repeated whines of "Why not just not play games you don't like?" is a baffling part of this. natetimm posted:The new Wolfenstein has an excellent woman character in it that gets even better if you start investigating her history more. The New Order is a great game that shows you can have strong, non-sexualized female characters with a ton of agency, and a great male protagonist character who actually expresses his emotions in a non-noir way. McIntosh made a good point that, in contrast to this, the difficulty screen is typical eye-rolling "are you MAN ENOUGH' clicheness.
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It's because Feminist Frequency does really bad critiques that constantly leave themselves open to ridicule while receiving an almost smothering amount of attention from the media. I hope this helped clear up whatever you found strange and really weird and baffling.
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Jul 4, 2015 17:14
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What is really bad about the Feminist Frequency videos? How can a media production not leave itself open to ridicule, when ridicule comes from without and depends entirely on those doing the ridiculing?
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Jul 4, 2015 17:18
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Why do people keep talking about Feminist Frequency I ask you, on a page where nobody but me has talked about it.
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Jul 4, 2015 17:23
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Junkfist posted:It's because Feminist Frequency does really bad critiques that constantly leave themselves open to ridicule while receiving an almost smothering amount of attention from the media. But, even if we accepted that highly subjective interpretation, that has nothing to do with ethics in game journalism, right? poptart_fairy posted:Why do people keep talking about Feminist Frequency I ask you, on a page where nobody but me has talked about it. Weirdly, this page isn't the entire thread.
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Jul 4, 2015 17:29
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Obdicut posted:That's a pretty silly thing to think. Is calling that thought of yours 'silly' turning on you, though? Makes you think. No, I'm serious. People's Front of Judea vs. Judean People's Front is on point. Obdicut posted:It is really telling, to me, t hat the thread returns to Sarkeesian over and over, even though the complaints against her have zero to do with ethics, except for the incredibly tendentious claim that the speed at which she puts out videos amounts to unethical conduct. Yet, people like OMG JC a Bomb! are obsessed with her to the point of trying to paint her as bad because of a job she had at 23. It's really weird. GG's focus seems to be, on sheer volume, about wanting to shut down criticism--the repeated whines of "Why not just not play games you don't like?" is a baffling part of this. Jack Gladney posted:What is really bad about the Feminist Frequency videos? How can a media production not leave itself open to ridicule, when ridicule comes from without and depends entirely on those doing the ridiculing?
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Jul 4, 2015 17:30
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Jack Gladney posted:What is really bad about the Feminist Frequency videos? They are a window into the dry, grey, joyless Hell of people who pass powder-dry TVTropes folk feminism through a medium they dislike with empty, assembly-line misery as their only guiding light. There's no discussion, there's no nuanced perspective, there's no context or appreciation for the narrative, the themes, you name it. If I want a feminist reading of a videogame I go look at Liana Kerzner or someone else. But for me watching FemFreq for a critique is like watching this for cooking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6KAVzPb_yQ
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Cingulate posted:Uh oh. Okay, well, you're wrong. If gamergaters weren't here there'd probably be a pretty dry discussion about stuff. quote:The more I watch of her, the less I like it. But I think the main thing to note here is indeed what reasons pro-GGers/anti-feminists have for hating her. I don't 'like' it almost at all, but I'm not anything like the intended audience since I know this stuff already. Junkfist posted:They are a window into the dry, grey, joyless Hell of people who pass powder-dry TVTropes folk feminism through a medium they dislike with empty, assembly-line misery as their only guiding light. Okay. Do you get the point that, even if you don't like it, that doesn't mean that it has anything to do with ethics in games journalism? Sarkeesian shouldn't ever come up in any GG discussion unless it's not actually about ethics in games journalism.
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