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I wonder what's on the mind of these non-Bernie challengers. They must know they have no hope (Sanders also does, but has different objectives). I guess they can build profile for 2020/24 and be there to catch the ball if a death or omega scandal hits.
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Jagchosis posted:Did you just forget the last five years or what "People's Republic of Wisconsin" is a name for Madison that as far as I can tell dates to the big protests against the current Republican governor. The gist is that Madison is actually among the most left areas of the state. I.e. of course he'd be popular there, people were willing to do mass action at the capitol.
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Jul 5, 2015 02:00
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JT Jag posted:Lincoln Chafee and Jim Webb might make it to the first debate. Jim Webb is probably the only other serious contender, because he's got enormous appeal to moderate republicans who are completely turned off by the current right wing insanity and is a godsend to the Democrats who don't want another Clinton in the White House. His biggest negatives are his smoking hot Viet wife who's 22 years younger them him, his 2 divorces, and his relative lack of recent political experience outside of his one senate term.
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Jul 5, 2015 02:07
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also being an ACA saboteur and an unlikable poo poo in his home state with higher negatives than most unknown candidates.
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Jul 5, 2015 02:09
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Of course there's the chance that Biden might throw his hat in the ring. He wouldn't win, his value would more be in who he endorses after he dropped out because it'd be seen as the tacit endorsement of the Obama administration (as Obama is staying away from this).
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Jul 5, 2015 02:14
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InvincibleMadHouse posted:also being an ACA saboteur and an unlikable poo poo in his home state with higher negatives than most unknown candidates. Are you sure you're not confusing him with Joe Manchin?
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JT Jag posted:Of course there's the chance that Biden might throw his hat in the ring. He wouldn't win, his value would more be in who he endorses after he dropped out because it'd be seen as the tacit endorsement of the Obama administration (as Obama is staying away from this). It's really no secret that Obama is for Hillary, his former SOS. Of course it's also no secret that Hillary has north of a 96% chance of being the nominee.
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nah his vote was contingent on scaling back/slimming down the original legislation, he was poo poo talking universal healthcare the whole time, and since its passage he's never missed a beat criticizing Obama over everything from the scope of the law to a lack of leadership on it.
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Jul 5, 2015 02:24
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GreyPowerVan posted:Those are Merrells (sp?) and he's probably wearing them because they're the most comfortable shoes that I have ever worn. Better than Eccos?
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Jul 5, 2015 02:26
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Warcabbit posted:Better than Eccos? Haven't tried them.
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Nintendo Kid posted:"People's Republic of Wisconsin" is a name for Madison that as far as I can tell dates to the big protests against the current Republican governor. The gist is that Madison is actually among the most left areas of the state. It goes back for decades among Reagan-loving suburbanites like Walker
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Jul 5, 2015 02:37
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Peel posted:I wonder what's on the mind of these non-Bernie challengers. They must know they have no hope (Sanders also does, but has different objectives). Jim Webb has a decent-ish shot at being Hilary's veep (wrap it up, Castroailures). Chafee and O'Malley are probably in it for the same reasons as Jindal and Christie: they've been thinking about it for so long, it seems silly to let a little thing like humiliating, inevitable defeat get in the way.
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AndNowMax posted:Jim Webb has a decent-ish shot at being Hilary's veep (wrap it up, Castroailures). Chafee and O'Malley are probably in it for the same reasons as Jindal and Christie: they've been thinking about it for so long, it seems silly to let a little thing like humiliating, inevitable defeat get in the way. I doubt you can stay long in politics unless you become impervious to shame.
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Nintendo Kid posted:"People's Republic of Wisconsin" is a name for Madison that as far as I can tell dates to the big protests against the current Republican governor. The gist is that Madison is actually among the most left areas of the state. The phrase you're looking for is "People's Republic of Madison" and it goes way back before Walker. But yes, Madison is way to the left of most of Wisconsin. The rest of the state also called it "80 square miles surrounded by reality" and "the Berkley of the Midwest". It also has a relatively huge gay population since it's one of the few places in the state where they could live without much discrimination.
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My assumption with Webb was that he's in it for reasons basically analogous to Sanders': he wants to drag the party his way. Be a voice for the Reagan Democrats, in his case. Chafee and O'Malley, I guess they're just in it for the publicity and / or Cabinet post bargaining. O'Malley might have thought he could win at one point but surely there's no way now.
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Joementum posted:Correct. There are various state laws that make it impossible. For example, New Hampshire requires you to be a registered member of the party to appear on the party's ballot and Sanders will have to register as a Democrat to compete there (as will Lincoln Chafee). It's too bad cross-filing is no longer legal in California. It caused all sorts of weird stuff to happen, like Nixon winning the Republican AND Democratic congressional primaries in 1948.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I doubt you can stay long in politics unless you become impervious to shame. By that metric, is it possible Trump is one of the finest politicians ever? I was reading an article on Vice this morning, the thesis of which is that the only reason he's popular at all, given his utter insanity, is that his complete and total lack of shame is appealing to a fair number of people.
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PT6A posted:By that metric, is it possible Trump is one of the finest politicians ever? He's been running the intimidation con really, really well.
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PT6A posted:By that metric, is it possible Trump is one of the finest politicians ever? He's not really insane (well other than his ego), his opinions are standard American Archie Bunker bluster and trash-talk. It takes someone like him to make you realize that people like Santorum and Cruz are actually speaking in elaborate code, rather than just openly spewing bigotry. Someone like him with better hair could easily become president. Well not this election, but you know what I mean.
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Jul 5, 2015 05:19
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SedanChair posted:He's not really insane (well other than his ego), his opinions are standard American Archie Bunker bluster and trash-talk. It takes someone like him to make you realize that people like Santorum and Cruz are actually speaking in elaborate code, rather than just openly spewing bigotry. Santorum and Cruz taking the Lee Atwater approach, then.
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i'll bet someone a month probie bernie wins the nomination Somebody fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Jul 5, 2015 |
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Jul 5, 2015 05:39
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wtf, someone edited my message but didn't change anything
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quite the fucker posted:i'll bet someone a month probie bernie wins the nomination Do you mean this as a toxx? quite the fucker posted:wtf, someone edited my message but didn't change anything Sorry, I edited instead of quoting. 
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Do you mean this as a toxx? i mean if someone else bets me, then whoever's wrong gets the probation
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Jul 5, 2015 05:52
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OK, I bet you that Bernie doesn't win the nomination. What do I get for winning?
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Jul 5, 2015 06:10
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Lazy_Liberal posted:OK, I bet you that Bernie doesn't win the nomination. What do I get for winning? if he wins you get probated, if he doesn't i get probated
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Jul 5, 2015 06:18
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Can we add a 30 day probie for fishmech if either bernie or hillaty win the nomination?
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quite the fucker posted:if he wins you get probated, if he doesn't i get probated Maybe we can just save some time and have you leave the site for a while. I think interacting with actual Americans might help you.
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FAUXTON posted:Maybe she forgave him. One bit of speculation that I think actually makes sense given that Bill apparently has a bit of a...tendency...to get around a bit is that they have some level of openness in the marriage. To be honest I think forgiveness might be irrelevant given that. It isn't cheating if you have permission.
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Feral_Shofixti posted:Can we add a 30 year probie for fishmech if either bernie or hillary win the nomination?
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ToxicSlurpee posted:One bit of speculation that I think actually makes sense given that Bill apparently has a bit of a...tendency...to get around a bit is that they have some level of openness in the marriage. To be honest I think forgiveness might be irrelevant given that. It isn't cheating if you have permission. Yeah, there's a possibility that they never considered their marriage as being predicated on the sexual aspect of their relationship. For all we know their marriage has never been stronger and Hillary's been bangin' Mark Penn on the side for 20 years.
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Jul 5, 2015 07:38
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Make the 30 year for Bernie winning. He can still eat a month otherwise.
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Jul 5, 2015 07:42
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quite the fucker posted:if he wins you get probated, if he doesn't i get probated Deal. 
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quite the fucker posted:i'll bet someone a month probie bernie wins the nomination quite the fucker posted:i mean if someone else bets me, then whoever's wrong gets the probation Lazy_Liberal posted:OK, I bet you that Bernie doesn't win the nomination. What do I get for winning? Lazy_Liberal posted:Deal. 
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The yoogest, most luxurious joke will never get old. Trump's run feels like some insane art performance piece, and I'm on the edge of my seat wondering what he's gonna say next.
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Jul 5, 2015 09:26
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AndNowMax posted:Jim Webb has a decent-ish shot at being Hilary's veep (wrap it up, Castroailures). Prior to Bernie putting up the Progressive Flag, maybe. He has no shot now because a Webb VP slot means instead of grumbling their way to the booth the Bernie voters stay home entirely. O'Malley's got a much better chance.
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You can't a probation you idiots. This is the Romney thread all over again.
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Demiurge4 posted:You can't This is America, you can anything. It's what the Founders wanted.
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The VP selection has no effect on the final vote in the general election so the shrewd thing to do as a candidate is to pick the person you can get along with and is closest to your own ideas on policy. This person is going to be hanging around the halls in Hillary's administration for eight years. She shouldn't pick the person who she thinks will (but actually won't anyway) matter on election day. She should pick the person who isn't going to give her headaches over the next 3,000 days.
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Joementum posted:The VP selection has no effect on the final vote in the general election so the shrewd thing to do as a candidate is to pick the person you can get along with and is closest to your own ideas on policy. This person is going to be hanging around the halls in Hillary's administration for eight years. She shouldn't pick the person who she thinks will (but actually won't anyway) matter on election day. She should pick the person who isn't going to give her headaches over the next 3,000 days. Or maybe even someone she thinks might make a good president. Nah.
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