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Is it just me, or has SJW become nerdspeak for "someone who thinks women, homosexuals and nonwhite people deserve as much respect as you do"? People say that there are extremists calling for the deaths of all anyone with a dick, but I've never seen them, just Gamergaters and MRAs.
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"SJW" is is a signpost for lovely opinions. It's basically just another US conservative-style barely coded bigoted insult along the lines of "liberal elites" or "urban thugs" or "hysterical women."
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Jul 4, 2015 12:21
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I am really appreciating the SJW to skeleton plugin right now.
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Jul 4, 2015 12:26
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CommissarMega posted:Is it just me, or has SJW become nerdspeak for "someone who thinks women, homosexuals and nonwhite people deserve as much respect as you do"? People say that there are extremists calling for the deaths of all anyone with a dick, but I've never seen them, just Gamergaters and MRAs. "Become"? It's pretty much always been that. It's just getting more obvious.
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Jul 4, 2015 12:30
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CommissarMega posted:Is it just me, or has SJW become nerdspeak for "someone who thinks women, homosexuals and nonwhite people deserve as much respect as you do"? People say that there are extremists calling for the deaths of all anyone with a dick, but I've never seen them, just Gamergaters and MRAs. They exist, there's just like, five, and it's ambiguous whether or not they're real or people trolling. That solitary screencap that discredits the entire feminist movement came from somewhere.
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Jul 4, 2015 12:32
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The Deleter posted:I am really appreciating the SJW to skeleton plugin right now. I used to use it but the anti-skeleton sentiments became too much to handle.
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Jul 4, 2015 12:34
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The main difference between the loonies on the gamergate/MRA/FPH side and the loonies on the feminist/anti-racist/social justice side is that the they're on the fringe of the latter. The base of MRAs take people like Paul Elam or Dean Esmay seriously. A crap ton of gamergaters take Owen and Aurini seriously. Not many feminists take "all men are evil and wicked" rants seriously. Most anti-racists don't take "white people are the cause of all problems and People of Color are saintly angels" seriously.
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Jul 4, 2015 12:41
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JackMann posted:The main difference between the loonies on the gamergate/MRA/FPH side and the loonies on the feminist/anti-racist/social justice side is that the they're on the fringe of the latter. The base of MRAs take people like Paul Elam or Dean Esmay seriously. A crap ton of gamergaters take Owen and Aurini seriously. Not many feminists take "all men are evil and wicked" rants seriously. Most anti-racists don't take "white people are the cause of all problems and People of Color are saintly angels" seriously. You worked out the thing I was trying to say better than I said it, thanks.
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Jul 4, 2015 13:12
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spectralent posted:They exist, there's just like, five, and it's ambiguous whether or not they're real or people trolling. That solitary screencap that discredits the entire feminist movement came from somewhere. Oh, what, like this? https://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/piv-is-always-rape-ok/
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Jul 4, 2015 15:13
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Hemlock;6657549 posted:If the essence of being a fighter is "being a trained combatant" as you say, then there are no non-combat related bits. That's like asking about the non-magic-related aspects of being a trained wizard. At most you're talking about skill proficiencies, but fundamentally the non-magic-related aspects of being e.g. Mercury Boltblaster don't originate in his being a wizard at all--he has non-magic-related aspects like crazy hand-to-hand combat skills and a close relationship with the Queen of Raelna, but those things originated in his background and martial arts training, not from his training as a wizard.
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Jul 4, 2015 15:41
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That guy makes a good point about character classes and Vancian magic being dumb, he has convinced me that D&D should move away from those.
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Jul 4, 2015 16:00
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spectralent posted:They exist, there's just like, five, and it's ambiguous whether or not they're real or people trolling. That solitary screencap that discredits the entire feminist movement came from somewhere. That kind of stuff isn't really feminism though. It's hate speech. Feminism is about equality, not segregation. CommissarMega posted:Is it just me, or has SJW become nerdspeak for "someone who thinks women, homosexuals and nonwhite people deserve as much respect as you do"? People say that there are extremists calling for the deaths of all anyone with a dick, but I've never seen them, just Gamergaters and MRAs. More and more, the type of people who use SJW as an insult are the types that believe that freedom of speech only applies to themselves, and that this also means a right to a platform. Gizmoduck_5000 fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Jul 4, 2015 |
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Jul 4, 2015 16:06
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SJW is basically this decade's replacement for "politically correct", right down to the rule that anyone using it unironically can be safely and reliably ignored.
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Jul 4, 2015 16:16
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It's hard finding a sensible middle ground nowadays. It's hard and nobody understands.
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Jul 4, 2015 16:20
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CommissarMega posted:Is it just me, or has SJW become nerdspeak for "someone who thinks women, homosexuals and nonwhite people deserve as much respect as you do"? People say that there are extremists calling for the deaths of all anyone with a dick, but I've never seen them, just Gamergaters and MRAs. FMguru posted:SJW is basically this decade's replacement for "politically correct", right down to the rule that anyone using it unironically can be safely and reliably ignored.
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Jul 4, 2015 17:44
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dwarf74 posted:Vancian mundane abilities just make no sense At this point I'd consider D&D's attempt to diegetically explain Vancian magic to have been a huge, lovely red herring because it then makes everyone question the in-game reasoning behind any other ability.
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Jul 4, 2015 17:53
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CommissarMega posted:Is it just me, or has SJW become nerdspeak for "someone who thinks women, homosexuals and nonwhite people deserve as much respect as you do"? People say that there are extremists calling for the deaths of all anyone with a dick, but I've never seen them, just Gamergaters and MRAs. I remember the early days when it meant things like that lady who claimed that expecting her to be responsible for anything was impossible because she's spiritually a cat. Otherkin, fictive headmates, poo poo like that, and they believed it was a matter on the same level of import as racism that they be allowed to express their inner cat/homestuck character/whatever. It's made me terribly sad to see it morph into the latest dogwhistle, but also in a way glad because anyone who uses it in 2015 is invariably spouting something bigoted so they make themselves easy to spot.
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Jul 4, 2015 19:01
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I just use it in reference to the absolutely insane tumblrites
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Jul 4, 2015 19:27
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FireSight posted:I just use it in reference to the absolutely insane tumblrites Those are tumblrinas.
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Jul 4, 2015 19:44
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I tend to give SJWs (yes, there are people that have adopted the term themselves) a bit more leeway because I can agree with their objectives if not their methods.
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Jul 4, 2015 20:23
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It never stops to amaze me that "Social Justice Warrior" is actually used as an insult, even if it's a pretty dumb-sounding phrase. Like, haha, take a look at this nerd, caring about social equality! What a terrible person!
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Jul 4, 2015 21:16
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Halloween Jack posted:"Cultural Marxist" was meant to label people who want freedom of speech and labor unions as mentally disturbed radicals who wants to demolish civilization as we know it. Also a straight up anti-Semitic conspiracy theory! 
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Jul 4, 2015 21:42
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I posted this in the MTG thread but I think it's a good point so I'll repeat it here, but a lot of the goofy skeleton warrior stuff idiot assholes rage about is kids trying to figure poo poo out.
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Jul 4, 2015 21:50
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Darwinism posted:It never stops to amaze me that "Social Justice Warrior" is actually used as an insult, even if it's a pretty dumb-sounding phrase. Like, haha, take a look at this nerd, caring about social equality! What a terrible person! I think the insult is supposed to be the "warrior" part, because of how confrontational they get with people they disapprove of. But since people they disapprove of are, in my experience, mostly mysoginistics or racists, I am always somewhat taken aback when people curse Tumblr. Maybe I am just lucky enough to never get into the really crazy parts.
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Lightning Lord posted:I posted this in the MTG thread but I think it's a good point so I'll repeat it here, but a lot of the goofy skeleton warrior stuff idiot assholes rage about is kids trying to figure poo poo out. Yeah, an absolutely massive amount of those oh so hated aforementioned "tumblrites" are underaged. They're filled to the brim with passion and a desire to do and be something, and have no idea where to put it all. Their heart may be in the right place but like most teenagers they're clumsy and a more then a little ignorant about what to do with it all. They just know they gotta do SOMETHING. That's what being a teen is - everything burns hot. Which makes the snorting commentary about the "tumblrites" or "tumblrinas" all the creepier. Especially that last one, because what, heaven forbid we not also make it a gender based slur? But like, yeah man, way to lay down those sick burns on 16 year olds. EDIT: Also, and it's especially viewable here in SA, there's a ton of overlap between this and the hilariously sad try hards who get all snippy whenever anyone cares about anything. "Oh, you actually pay attention to the game? You actually notice writing? You actually care about the characters? Pfffffffff ok whatever tumblrina." It's always been the most old man behavior possible, except they're in their like 30's and have been doing this since the 90's. ProfessorCirno fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Jul 4, 2015 |
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Interestingly, the place where I personally found the loudest objections against Tumblr is ADTRW. E: but to be fair that was the chat thread and they were using the word "normie" unironically, so paradoxGentleman fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Jul 4, 2015 |
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Jul 4, 2015 22:47
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Libertad! posted:What about the anti-capitalist themes and Japanese Imperial colonialism in Shadowrun? SR hasn't been about anti-capitlaism, just "how do get my share of the blood money" since 4th ed, at least. The chapter fic in the newest book has the protags literally stealing babies for money.
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Jul 4, 2015 23:11
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Ronwayne posted:SR hasn't been about anti-capitlaism, just "how do get my share of the blood money" since 4th ed, at least. The chapter fic in the newest book has the protags literally stealing babies for money. Shitbag protagonists like that are part and parcel of the criticism.
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Jul 4, 2015 23:12
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Ronwayne posted:SR hasn't been about anti-capitlaism, just "how do get my share of the blood money" since 4th ed, at least. The chapter fic in the newest book has the protags literally stealing babies for money.
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Jul 4, 2015 23:27
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Lightning Lord posted:Shitbag protagonists like that are part and parcel of the criticism. Eh, the whole mercenary rockstar thing of the mid-late 2000's kinda put the final nails into any sort of any anti-systematic rhetoric. It ties into how difficult it is to have an anti-global capitalist message and not be a massive hypocrite/D&D (not the elf game, the other one) escapee. Embrace the inner murder-hobo and face to bloodshed.
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Jul 4, 2015 23:52
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The Deleter posted:I am really appreciating the SJW to skeleton plugin right now. 
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Nessus posted:I don't think Baby vs. Dragon is going to take off as an attraction, brother. Thank you for reminding me White Wolf literally made BvD a thing (Baby vs Dog- both ghouls) dwarf74 posted:I love that, but haven't installed it. I have a deep urge to write long screeds complaining about skeletons, though, just to mess with people. Of course its a dwarf being racist against skeletons. We were in those deep tunnels first, rear end in a top hat. Hiding in barrels. Minding our own business.
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Jul 5, 2015 06:34
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For all it's many, many flaws, the new Warhammer Fantasy edition/overhaul/thing, added a third undead faction: Skeletons. This is not a joke or a SA meme thing. It's just "Skeletons."
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Jul 5, 2015 06:38
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Otisburg posted:For all it's many, many flaws, the new Warhammer Fantasy edition/overhaul/thing, added a third undead faction: Skeletons. This is not a joke or a SA meme thing. It's just "Skeletons." I thought it was deathrattlers because you can't trademark a skeleton
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Jul 5, 2015 06:41
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deathrattle is a hearthstone ability, blizzard should sue them
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TheTatteredKing posted:deathrattle is a hearthstone ability, blizzard should sue them Lol it isn't the first time GW stole from blizzard
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So they think that D&D is inherently a combat game and not a storytelling toolbox. Their should be a combat encounter every session or you aren't playing D&D. "If you're investigating an entire session you're playing the wrong game." "I get it, you can homebrew and make a bunch of houserules to modify the system to the story they're trying to tell, but they aren't playing D&D. There are five other systems that do what you're doing easier and better." I'd love to read a discussion around this idea. Personally I disagree. I think D&D is a storytelling toolkit with combat, not a combat game. "Some kind of conflict should happen every session." "Look at the book, what percentage of the book is about combat? That's the same ratio that should inform gameplay." Is it just a dungeon crawling system? quote:
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quote:The very first time I played D&D there were homebrew rules. Basically, the rules focus on providing mechanics for combat. That doesn't mean the game has to focus on or reward only combat-oriented play. I mean, I can understand a scenario where a whole session, or even multiple sessions go by without combat simply because the players aren't going in that particular direction yet, but if you knew right off the bat you were going to play a game where you weren't expecting or wanting a lot of detailed combat, why would you choose D&D? quote:To quote some philosophy class I took 'is does not imply should.' Heck, if I buy the starter set and run Lost Mine of Phandelver, I'm going to end up in combat with goblins within the first 5 minutes of starting the game proper. And as much as I agree with you that people are probably going to get D&D as their first TRPG and then will refine the amount of combat in their games, or even look at different games altogether after they've developed their "taste", that still means I ended up with a combat-focused game my first time through because that's just how D&D was written, even if I decide that I want something else and hack D&D to have less, or go to Call of Cthulhu afterwards. quote:If someone is DMing as their first experience with trpgs and they use D&D then I agree with you. I am curious what % of trpgers DM their first time. gradenko_2000 fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Jul 5, 2015 |
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That second last one is just incredible. Literally every edition of D&D has had at least some rules to govern social interaction.
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If it's not a combat game and not a story game, what the actual gently caress IS it? Exploration, seriously. D&D, a game wherein, depending on edition, between half and 90% of the rule book is about combat and most of the rest is about social interaction and personal skills... is not a combat game nor a social skills game nor a storytelling game, but an exploration game. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggghhhhhht.
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thespaceinvader posted:If it's not a combat game and not a story game, what the actual gently caress IS it? Exploration, seriously. D&D, a game wherein, depending on edition, between half and 90% of the rule book is about combat and most of the rest is about social interaction and personal skills... is not a combat game nor a social skills game nor a storytelling game, but an exploration game.
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