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Mister Macys posted:Fair enough, but for a stump speech?
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Mister Macys posted:Seriously, who was the last candidate to fill a ten thousand seat stadium a year and a half out from the election? Ron Paul filled large venues regularly running up to 2012, including prior to the primaries. It was one of the reasons his followers were so convinced that there was a secret wellspring of support for him out in the general population, when instead it just tended to be a situation where 100% of Ron Paul's supporters showed up any time he was in town. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfrNz_2hvvM In 2000, Nader held rallies all over the place that routinely topped 10,000 attendees. Those weren't a year+ out from the election, of course, but they started pretty much as soon as his campaign officially began. The X-man cometh posted:She didn't release the number, but the crowd at Hillary's announcement on Roosevelt Island was probably over 10,000, especially since there were people standing outside the fence listening in. Her campaign estimated 5500. funtax fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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The X-man cometh posted:She didn't release the number, but the crowd at Hillary's announcement on Roosevelt Island was probably over 10,000, especially since there were people standing outside the fence listening in. Sheng-ji Yang posted:I read it was around 4,500. I've seen 5,500 more frequently, but either way, yes, it wasn't close to 10,000. Also, many reports of the rally specifically mentioned the overflow area was mostly empty. For reference, Sanders' campaign kickoff drew 5,000 people. However, comparing crowd sizes at this point, especially in a vacuum, is not very informative. Even assuming lackluster public support, if Clinton wanted to pack 10 or 20 thousand people into a stadium, she could make it happen by sheer dint of promotional effort (i.e. spending money on advertising, organizing, etc.). She has the name and the resources to do it. Evidently her campaign either doesn't think it matters enough or actively doesn't want to pursue it right now in keeping with their attempts to avoid the coronation narrative. So I don't think crowd counts tell us much about Clinton vs. Sanders. However I do think they're one data point to consider in terms of assessing Sanders' basic degree of viability: If he were struggling to draw people, it would be a very bad sign. As it is, we see that there is at least a reasonable degree of interest and enthusiasm for him in the areas he's campaigned. That's not nearly enough by itself to win the nomination, but it's a piece of the puzzle. If Sanders can bring in enough resources, use them effectively, maybe pry away a fragment of establishment Democrat support, and generally get a few lucky breaks, on top of the public enthusiasm... then maybe he has a fighting chance.
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Didn't Hillary's overflow area also have some anti-Hillary protesters in it? I recall a handful of them showed up to the event, no idea if they stuck around.
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There is a 100% chance that there are anti-Hillary people anywhere Hillary appears.
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Prepare for the Fight of the Century.
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Mister Macys posted:Fair enough, but for a stump speech? What about it dude? 10,000 people will come out for fuckin high school football if you live somewhere lovely enough.
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GalacticAcid posted:Prepare for the Fight of the Century. Which of those hands is a rapist?
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Someone tell me what the gently caress is up with Trump's 24/7 duck face, and why hasn't this issue been addressed before itt? This poo poo is important.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:That does't translate into money, votes, or support. That doesn't, but being a recipient of CitiGroup, BoA, and Goldmann Sachs donations sure does!
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Do Not Resuscitate posted:The angry freakouts in this thread caused by anything perceived to be remotely positive vis-à-vis the Sanders Campaign are hilarious.
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GalacticAcid posted:Prepare for the Fight of the Century. Hair of Fate
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Agrajag posted:Someone tell me what the gently caress is up with Trump's 24/7 duck face, and why hasn't this issue been addressed before itt? We're just so used to seeing old Donald Duck that we don't even notice it anymore. But yeah, he does that constantly. 
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Agrajag posted:Someone tell me what the gently caress is up with Trump's 24/7 duck face, and why hasn't this issue been addressed before itt? He is a very serious man with very serious things to say but nobody seems to want to listen so he has to scrunch up his face and yell a lot.
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Brannock posted:Women consist half of the population, black people are like 13% and typically segregrated from conservative social circles. The misogyny and outrage will be there but they won't be able to be remotely as overt about it as they were with Obama. You're talking about the party that can't help but talk about rape and has politicians who see rape babies as gifts from God. BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Hillary's VP will be a milquetoast white dude. Terry Mac, O'Malley, Evan Bayh, Warner, Jack Reed. Doubtful. There's nothing gained by having any of those people as VP. The reason I keep mentioning Julian Castro is because he checks off a lot of boxes Hilary doesn't as he's a young, charismatic, Hispanic politician and if he wants to be President one day then she (and Bill) get to potentially play Kingmaker with him when she leaves office and he runs. Isn't Terry Mac also toxic as gently caress? Why would Clinton want someone like him as her VP? It'd be like Jeb getting the nomination and deciding to go back to Florida to pick Voldemort for his VP. Though Rubio getting picked as VP if he doesn't get the nomination seems more likely that Castro being picked by Hilary. If both tickets lack a Latino face I'd be surprised; especially the GOP because they definitely need to do something to pull in Latino voters to have any shot at winning. Unless the Castros hate the Clintons and vice-versa, but if they do I haven't seen any articles mentioning it. Plus I kinda want to see Castro as a VP for Hilary because if he fits the role well and a Hilary presidency does decently the GOP would be in a pretty bad place to take him on in 2020 or 2024 since he'd have a lock on Latino voters even if the GOP base doesn't go even further off the Freep end. It's a shame Hilary is in love with Israel because if there's one thing I really like with Obama is that he's far less likely to put up with their poo poo than and other president has been for awhile. computer parts posted:I have yet to see evidence that PA is a real swing state. I'm going off of this map: Wisconsin will be blue barring some sort of GOP sweep. I'd say it's about 80:20 that Virginia goes blue as well even if Clinton can only rid demographic changes. Ohio's iffy because the GOP there is still loving with poor/minority voters as much as they can get away with. Florida might go blue unless Voldemort gets voting hours cut even more to the point that you can basically only vote during normal work hours. If the Dems don't take at least 2 of Ohio/Wisconsin/Virgina/Florida it's because they're about to lose huge to some massive GOP wave. Even if they only got Ohio and Virgina they'd have have to lose every single other state labeled Undecided on that map and I really don't think the GOP can gently caress with the election that heavily and not get caught. A Jeb/Rubio ticket could make Florida very hard for the Democrats to win too.
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Zaphod42 posted:We're just so used to seeing old Donald Duck that we don't even notice it anymore. But yeah, he does that constantly. Needs more dick.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Florida might go blue unless Voldemort gets voting hours cut even more to the point that you can basically only vote during normal work hours. Also depends on whether our Supreme Court gives a gently caress about active and direct voter suppression on election day in Hispanic majority areas. They sure didn't during the governor's election.
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Agrajag posted:Someone tell me what the gently caress is up with Trump's 24/7 duck face, and why hasn't this issue been addressed before itt? it's the face one makes when they're exclaiming "YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOJEST MOST LUXOOOOOOORIOUS."
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computer parts posted:Reminder that Nixon and Eisenhower are as "related" as Hillary and Bill are. Moreso, actually. Nixon and Eisenhower's kids married.
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The ESPN Celebrity Golf Classic has been moved from Trump National Golf Club to Pelican Hill Golf Club. Meanwhile, Trump has issued a statement on how much of a not-racist he is. quote:I don’t see how there is any room for misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the statement I made on June 16th during my Presidential announcement speech.
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I checked it out and you don't need to know any of them.
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Trump must've had some kind of stroke or is going a bit senile to be doubling down so hard on this poo poo. Just reading one paragraph of the rant makes my head hurt. Unless he is some kind of genius and he is conducting some kind of elaborate honeypot scheme to out all the racists and bigots.
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Joementum posted:Moreso, actually. Nixon and Eisenhower's kids married. When did the kids marry? Was it before or after Eisenhower and Nixon had an established relationship?
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Re: going after states beyond the Obama 2012 ones... It's always a good idea, if you're think you have a good shot, to go into some marginal states because of Senate seats. The Obama investment in NC in 2008 wasn't necessary to win the presidency, but it snagged a tough Senate seat. That may be the case next year in NC, IN, MO, and AZ. None of those seats are needed, but it could make a difference in how much damage can be absorbed in the inevitable 2018 drop-off. The past 8 years should show anyone how every single Senate seat counts.
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DOOP posted:When did the kids marry? Was it before or after Eisenhower and Nixon had an established relationship? December, 1968. Also, I mis-stated it a bit. It was Ike's grandson and Dick's daughter.
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Is it possible for we, the posters in this thread, to set up some kind of NCAA style pool of the primary outcomes? Points awarded to correctly picking the order in which people concede or drop out, correctly picking the last candidate standing etc., with increasing points awarded in the later rounds? There should be some kind of bonus for correctly picking the first person to drop out though. Then for the general election, for those who correctly chose the candidates in the contest, there should be points based on how close to the EV totals they come, and picking the specific states correctly.
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JT Jag posted:Calling them angry freakouts is a mite excessive. A lot of people in this thread are going to vote for Bernie in the primary and hope he does well. Some of those same people are irked by "Bernie or No One" sentiment. Obviously "Bernie or No One" is idiotic but I don't understand the people who say that Bernie would be a bad president because he wouldn't be able to get anything done due to being significantly left of the American political center. By that logic it would seem like Hillary would be a great choice, yet I haven't seen anyone standing up and defending Hillary is a great candidate. If Bernie is too far left to be a good president yet Hillary is also bad what do you want?
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Nintendo Kid posted:What about it dude? 10,000 people will come out for fuckin high school football if you live somewhere lovely enough. Can you buy junk food at a primary speech? I don't think so. True Believers ™  loving android Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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MaxxBot posted:Obviously "Bernie or No One" is idiotic but I don't understand the people who say that Bernie would be a bad president because he wouldn't be able to get anything done due to being significantly left of the American political center. By that logic it would seem like Hillary would be a great choice, yet I haven't seen anyone standing up and defending Hillary is a great candidate. If Bernie is too far left to be a good president yet Hillary is also bad what do you want? Hillary is just enough in the mainstream while having progressive impulses of economic issues to not just win, but come closest to an actual governing majority that can take another run at climate legislation and immigration reform. There you go.
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MaxxBot posted:Obviously "Bernie or No One" is idiotic but I don't understand the people who say that Bernie would be a bad president because he wouldn't be able to get anything done due to being significantly left of the American political center. By that logic it would seem like Hillary would be a great choice, yet I haven't seen anyone standing up and defending Hillary is a great candidate. If Bernie is too far left to be a good president yet Hillary is also bad what do you want? I've been seeing a lot of "if it is Jeb I won't vote"
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MaxxBot posted:Obviously "Bernie or No One" is idiotic but I don't understand the people who say that Bernie would be a bad president because he wouldn't be able to get anything done due to being significantly left of the American political center. By that logic it would seem like Hillary would be a great choice, yet I haven't seen anyone standing up and defending Hillary is a great candidate. If Bernie is too far left to be a good president yet Hillary is also bad what do you want? Hillary is pretty good too. People just think she isn't because they don't actually understand her positions, or are single issue voters solely on specific aspects of foreign policy.
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MaxxBot posted:Obviously "Bernie or No One" is idiotic but I don't understand the people who say that Bernie would be a bad president because he wouldn't be able to get anything done due to being significantly left of the American political center. By that logic it would seem like Hillary would be a great choice, yet I haven't seen anyone standing up and defending Hillary is a great candidate. If Bernie is too far left to be a good president yet Hillary is also bad what do you want? No democrat president is going to get anything done with a republican congress anyway.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Doubtful. There's nothing gained by having any of those people as VP. The reason I keep mentioning Julian Castro is because he checks off a lot of boxes Hilary doesn't as he's a young, charismatic, Hispanic politician and if he wants to be President one day then she (and Bill) get to potentially play Kingmaker with him when she leaves office and he runs. Isn't Terry Mac also toxic as gently caress? Why would Clinton want someone like him as her VP? It'd be like Jeb getting the nomination and deciding to go back to Florida to pick Voldemort for his VP. http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/why-hillary-clinton-still-needs-terry-mcauliffe-20150624 quote:McAuliffe's journey to the governor's mansion has been an odd one. The man who wore a Hawaiian shirt on television, who was linked to some of President Bill Clinton's more unsavory fundraising practices, who had been dismissed as a glorified salesman, now holds the title that once belonged to Thomas Jefferson. There are many things I am worried about for 2016. Virginia is not one of them: it will go blue with a small but comfortable margin, and TMac is going to make sure of it. Not as Clinton's VP pick, but from his position as Virginia Governor. fade5 fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Kalman posted:Hillary is pretty good too. People just think she isn't because they don't actually understand her positions, or are single issue voters solely on specific aspects of foreign policy.
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quote of the day?quote:Statement from Donald J. Trump: http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-epic-statement-on-mexico-2015-7
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Zaphod42 posted:So loving awkward. The average Church's serves too much dark meat for your average GOPer.
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:quote of the day? I still wish for that scenario where Obama did an immigration speech at the US-Mexican border with a parade of immigrant workers, Taco Bell employees, a Mariachi band, and a Día de Muertos in the background and then come out and say "yep, those were all US citizens". Trump would go apeshit.
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