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I've said it before: The litmus test of whether a social system works is "Can you replicate a romantic comedy?" Because romantic comedies are generally not about one character bringing sufficient inducements and social power to generate attraction. It's about two characters who are attracted to each other going through various pratfalls trying to properly express themselves and build trust. Love isn't winning a thing. It's making a thing. Beyond this, there's so much fiction about building trust, forming an effective team and so on that are not served by power-over social systems that games' lack of relationship construction systems is a notable in its absence.
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 14:55 |
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# ? Jun 2, 2024 01:51 |
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Bedlamdan posted:that's not in the leak at all, you incredible weirdo
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 16:13 |
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FMguru posted:Learn how to read a sentence in english, you incredible illiterate Revlid is not on the writing team. He is purely a fan contributor who, it must be said, is pretty good at spinning decent crunch out of the shitshow that is Exalted 2E mechanics, but who also has a bad habit of occasionally injecting his horrible fetishes into things.
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 16:25 |
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Thesaurasaurus posted:Revlid is not on the writing team. He is purely a fan contributor who, it must be said, is pretty good at spinning decent crunch out of the shitshow that is Exalted 2E mechanics, but who also has a bad habit of occasionally injecting his horrible fetishes into things. Oh, so that's what it was about? FMguru posted:Learn how to read a sentence in english, you incredible illiterate It's just some weirdo's homebrew stuff, guy! He's not an actual writer for it.
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 16:28 |
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Thesaurasaurus posted:a bad habit of occasionally injecting his horrible fetishes into things.
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 16:29 |
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Thesaurasaurus posted:Revlid is not on the writing team. He is purely a fan contributor who, it must be said, is pretty good at spinning decent crunch out of the shitshow that is Exalted 2E mechanics, but who also has a bad habit of occasionally injecting his horrible fetishes into things. Revlid is a friend, so... uh... could you elaborate on this? It's news to me. I've heard other criticisms of Revlid's work. I've not heard this one.
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 16:56 |
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MalcolmSheppard posted:I've said it before: The litmus test of whether a social system works is "Can you replicate a romantic comedy?" Because romantic comedies are generally not about one character bringing sufficient inducements and social power to generate attraction. It's about two characters who are attracted to each other going through various pratfalls trying to properly express themselves and build trust. Love isn't winning a thing. It's making a thing. Beyond this, there's so much fiction about building trust, forming an effective team and so on that are not served by power-over social systems that games' lack of relationship construction systems is a notable in its absence. Well in Monsterhearts you can't do romantic comedy (except in the schandenfraude-y kind of way I guess) if everyone's doing it RAW, since you're encouraged to make it uncomfortable and angsty and basically like a teenage supernatural romance story but with self-awareness that teenagers are assholes, but that said you can basically replicate those kind of books and related media. You could quite easily do Romeo and Juliet, for example, through a series of game-encouraged horrible decisions.
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 17:01 |
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LatwPIAT posted:Revlid is a friend, so... uh... could you elaborate on this? It's news to me. I've heard other criticisms of Revlid's work. I've not heard this one. Sure. Revlid posted:Ostrich Stomach Alchemy Okay, kinda weird, but internal alchemy is a thing in the source material, so this seems thematically-appr- Revlid posted:Spawning-Pool Body Uh... Revlid posted:Fox-Mother's Rebirth Technique ...uhhhhhhhh... Revlid posted:Surinam Laboratory Expansion
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 17:12 |
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Grognards.txt NEXT: Crippling amputation effects may be used to target and abort a creature in the womb-lab
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 17:34 |
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Ho-lee poo poo
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 17:37 |
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Move over, Japan.Serf posted:Ho-lee poo poo
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 17:43 |
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... the Aristocrats!
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 18:10 |
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Narrative power is a term folks like you throw out that means next to nothing in a DM managed game. No class has narrative power in a DM managed game other than the DM gives them. You don't get to tell me to make stuff up at your whim. You can ask a DM. Maybe he does it, maybe he doesn't. If you want to play a game where another person's mind is controlling the world, then you must abide by what he feels like doing. It doesn't matter if you're a fighter or a wizard as far as narrative control goes. You just replied with "I got nothing. So I'll be a jerk about it." That's fine because you got nothing. 4E did nothing more to give martials narrative power than did previous editions. I did read the 4E PHB. That's why I know that is the case. 3E martials could affect the world far more than 4E martials. Feats were often more powerful than 4E powers. Maybe you didn't know how to build characters very well, that's why you didn't see that in 3E. Martials that knew how to build characters in 3E, they were as hard to build encounters for as casters. Their damage output put 4E martials to shame. Their feats allowed them to do amazing things that far exceed what a 4E martial could accomplish. Once again, you got nothing. If you want to go rounds with me comparing the power of a 3E martial equivalent to a 4E martial equivalent, we can do that, especially if you want to incorporate Pathfinder which boosted martial power quite a bit from the already extreme 3.5 range.
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 19:11 |
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alg posted:Narrative power is a term folks like you throw out that means next to nothing in a DM managed game. No class has narrative power in a DM managed game other than the DM gives them. You don't get to tell me to make stuff up at your whim. You can ask a DM. Maybe he does it, maybe he doesn't. If you want to play a game where another person's mind is controlling the world, then you must abide by what he feels like doing. It doesn't matter if you're a fighter or a wizard as far as narrative control goes. Sometimes, I think one of the key problems with this hobby is the insane idea that the Dungeon Master is a mighty, privileged position of power that lets him rain down poo poo on everyone else. The whole 'I am the DM, I get to choose exactly what happens all the time!' mindset needs to die more than anything else. You're playing a game with your friends, damnit! You're making up poo poo together and trying to make it fun. It's not Great God-King Bob and The 4 Captive Idiots Who Amuse Him.
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 19:14 |
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Reminder - that poster in question bragged about how none of his friends wanted to see movies with him because he'd spend the whole time snidely looking for plot holes or calling out cliches. He takes pride in being insufferable; it means he is "better."
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 19:19 |
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quote:Feats were often more powerful than 4E powers. I was reading through 3.5 Complete Warrior (while pooping) and I came across this gem: quote:Elusive Target [Tactical] Now, there's actually two more things you can do with this feat, but I stopped reading there, because holy loving poo poo are you kidding me? The DM has to create a monster with Power Attack, AND he has to use it, AND you have to know which one it is, AND it's the equivalent of giving the monster an attack roll penalty, AND it's for a feat that you're already two deep and six levels into prerequisites for. I mean what the gently caress. Now when the grog you quoted says "Maybe you didn't know how to build characters very well, that's why you didn't see that in 3E.", I know he means scouring the internet for builds made by people who already did it better because they had the free time to avoid loving bullshit like Elusive Target.
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 19:35 |
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Thesaurasaurus posted:Sure. I talked to Revlid and this is what he has to say on the matter: Revlid posted:That was like the first set of Charms I wrote, and it just let you make stuff by eating the raw materials. Eat iron, spit out a sword, for instance. Then there was an upgrade as a direct follow-on to Lunar Charms introduced in Glories, which was stuff like "hey now you can gently caress animals outside the wyld good for you", and so was "Mother of Monsters"/Luna-as-preggers-dude Genesis tech.
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 19:41 |
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Night10194 posted:Sometimes, I think one of the key problems with this hobby is the insane idea that the Dungeon Master is a mighty, privileged position of power that lets him rain down poo poo on everyone else. The whole 'I am the DM, I get to choose exactly what happens all the time!' mindset needs to die more than anything else. You're playing a game with your friends, damnit! You're making up poo poo together and trying to make it fun. It's not Great God-King Bob and The 4 Captive Idiots Who Amuse Him. Anything to make it feel less like a job, eh?
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 19:44 |
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Night10194 posted:Sometimes, I think one of the key problems with this hobby is the insane idea that the Dungeon Master is a mighty, privileged position of power that lets him rain down poo poo on everyone else. The whole 'I am the DM, I get to choose exactly what happens all the time!' mindset needs to die more than anything else. You're playing a game with your friends, damnit! You're making up poo poo together and trying to make it fun. It's not Great God-King Bob and The 4 Captive Idiots Who Amuse Him. But can your loser storygames let me kill the party for any reason whenever I wish?
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ProfessorCirno posted:Reminder - that poster in question bragged about how none of his friends wanted to see movies with him because he'd spend the whole time snidely looking for plot holes or calling out cliches. He takes pride in being insufferable; it means he is "better."
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 19:50 |
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LatwPIAT posted:I talked to Revlid and this is what he has to say on the matter: I will grant that this stuff was totally in-keeping with what WW itself was publishing at the time, so. Apologies to Revlid, fifteen-odd years of elfgaming and internetting have lead me to assume material like this is Someone's FetishTM until proven otherwise. (still not something I'd want in Exalted's elevator pitch to friends and family)
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 19:52 |
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LatwPIAT posted:I talked to Revlid and this is what he has to say on the matter: Eat raw iron, spit out a sword is one thing. Create a new creature out of raw essence by shaping plant matter and meat and poo poo you ate is still pretty okay cause that's the sort of poo poo mythologies are made out of. He spent multiple paragraphs describing intricate womb labs. Stating that eating god-spunk is the best way to sire your child. Stating that there's no limit to the size of the child and if it's too big you'll just pop it out in self assembling chunks. Then it went on to start lovingly describing unbirthing and age regression and swelling to the size of a mountain so you can house an entire panalopy of wombs inside your massive bulk.
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 19:55 |
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Kurieg posted:Eat raw iron, spit out a sword is one thing. Create a new creature out of raw essence by shaping plant matter and meat and poo poo you ate is still pretty okay cause that's the sort of poo poo mythologies are made out of. And all of those things are loving cool. What's the problem?
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 20:23 |
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LatwPIAT posted:I talked to Revlid and this is what he has to say on the matter: A simple misunderstanding then. Sigh, it seems that Goons are far too quick to accuse people of degenerate sexual deviancy just because of their non-standard writing, like in the so-called Rape Camps, where the so-called rape takes part not because of a sick desire for sex, but for utilitarian reasons.
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 20:25 |
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Ferrinus posted:The thing is that Exalted fans don't actually like Exalted. They like maintaining the Exalted wiki. This is funny because I'm pretty sure Onyx Path deleted the 2e Exalted wiki by accident. The dump I got from archive.org has 18,000 pages of work on it.
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 23:51 |
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That's like accidentally backing over a sick dog. Also,
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# ? Jul 8, 2015 00:43 |
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Let me make sure I'm getting this straight, so there are no misunderstandings. This was a set of charms he expanded upon twice for pregnancy shenanigans (over, well, any other charms in existence), somehow at no point did he think any part of that charmset might look a little fetishistic, and now thinks it's a "bit odd" that anybody might think so? Exalted. Nikink posted:One-Night Stand
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# ? Jul 8, 2015 01:05 |
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Let me make sure I'm getting this straight, so there are no misunderstandings. This was a set of charms he expanded upon twice for pregnancy shenanigans (over, well, any other charms in existence), somehow at no point did he think any part of that charmset might look a little fetishistic, and now thinks it's a "bit odd" that anybody might think so? what the fuckity gently caress
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# ? Jul 8, 2015 01:19 |
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So is Nikink an alt username for Revlid or is this someone else?
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# ? Jul 8, 2015 01:21 |
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Let me make sure I'm getting this straight, so there are no misunderstandings. This was a set of charms he expanded upon twice for pregnancy shenanigans (over, well, any other charms in existence), somehow at no point did he think any part of that charmset might look a little fetishistic, and now thinks it's a "bit odd" that anybody might think so? I'm gonna be sick
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# ? Jul 8, 2015 01:23 |
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Bedlamdan posted:So is Nikink an alt username for Revlid or is this someone else? Someone else, it's off the Unofficial Exalted Wiki.
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# ? Jul 8, 2015 01:24 |
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Someone else, it's off the Unofficial Exalted Wiki. Oh, google's telling me it showed up from rpg.net circa 2005
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# ? Jul 8, 2015 01:28 |
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Let me make sure I'm getting this straight, so there are no misunderstandings. This was a set of charms he expanded upon twice for pregnancy shenanigans (over, well, any other charms in existence), somehow at no point did he think any part of that charmset might look a little fetishistic, and now thinks it's a "bit odd" that anybody might think so? He saw it as odd that people think that he wrote it because he has an unbirthing/pregnancy fetish, rather than because he wanted to explore something freaky. And perhaps that people are bringing this up five years later as "a bad habit of injecting his horrible fetishes into things", since that implies he does it habitually. (One of the advantages of mostly keeping our laughing and pointing at anonymous sources unless they always tell everyone what they're smoking is that nobody might be put in the position of having their friends paraded arounds as freaks.) LatwPIAT fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Jul 8, 2015 |
# ? Jul 8, 2015 01:52 |
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I'm sorry your friend is a freak.
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# ? Jul 8, 2015 02:07 |
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Mecha Gojira posted:I'm sorry your friend is a freak.
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# ? Jul 8, 2015 02:27 |
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Do you actually ever put up with weird dudes that want to roleplay raping pregnant monsters or whatever because it's hard to find people to play with? Because some of this stuff that people seem to "put up with" is so loving over the edge it seems almost unbelievable. Maybe I've just been lucky but most people I've played D&D or w/e with have been just like anyone else. These last few pages have broken me.
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# ? Jul 8, 2015 03:14 |
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Harvey Mantaco posted:Do you actually ever put up with weird dudes that want to roleplay raping pregnant monsters or whatever because it's hard to find people to play with? Because some of this stuff that people seem to "put up with" is so loving over the edge it seems almost unbelievable. Maybe I've just been lucky but most people I've played D&D or w/e with have been just like anyone else. These last few pages have broken me. Can't speak for anyone else, but whenever someone has decided to play out their fetishes or other assorted gross poo poo at my table I just kick them out. I try to assume that everyone is on the level, but creeps don't get invited in the first place and those who reveal themselves later on get sent packing. Sometimes I look at these rules and go "no one could really be using this, right?" but it tabletop games have taught me anything its that there is no nadir for my faith in humanity. It just keeps lowering with every new rape camp post or womb-factory monster rule.
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# ? Jul 8, 2015 03:22 |
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There's plenty of room for writing creatively about weird, gross poo poo without touching yourself about it. However, most—nearly all—of that room is not in RPGs currently and possibly never should be. Revlid fell down that hole like a lot of people do (did?) who love Exalted and can write well, where he's just churning out tens of thousands of words on subjects that are 99.99% useless to everyone, fetishist or not, shoveling ridiculous amounts of Charms onto the internet because that's what Exalted is for too many people. Like a real live published Exalted author! All of that effort would be better spent on either the same subjects but not broken into a dozen Charm-shaped puzzle pieces, or just something else entirely.
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# ? Jul 8, 2015 03:59 |
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Nihilarian posted:"oh, gosh, I can't tell who the movie wants me to think of as the good guy. Is it the rapist warlord, or the woman who opposes him? I wish they would make it clearer." Totally worth it. I was giddy like half the movie about how audacious the whole thing was.
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# ? Jul 8, 2015 05:44 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:I was reading through 3.5 Complete Warrior (while pooping) and I came across this gem: And note that it revolves around Dodge, already an amazing example of a garbage feat.
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