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Gatts posted:A youngish baby face Sarah does kind of work. She may have been trained by Arnold but she's still young in 1984. It's basically T1 Linda Hamilton only a bit more fit vs having the crazy drive and experience to mold her into Sarah of T2. This Sarah has Pops so her youth kind of works imo to show how at this point she's trying to shoulder a burden she may not have been quite ready for compares to her experience that lead to T2. Linda in T2 wouldn't need Pops. Instead she sees the T800 more as a peer or equal. The more fundamental point, I think, is that she spent a decade being raised by Arnold. In Terminator 2, Sarah had to head out to Mexico on her own, and somehow work her way into various criminal/terrorist organizations while also raising a son. Clarke plays Sarah as a dork who's spent her life studying robots and learning human interaction from 80s TV shows. Not coincidentally, her character most resembles the young John from T2.
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Yeah, there's a lot of criticisms that can be leveled at the movie, but "Not enough like T1/2 Sarah Connor" doesn't make a whole lot of sense. This Sarah Connor has been different from that one since she was nine, it makes some sense to me that she might look or act differently, since she wasn't raised to be the other Sarah. I will say that Emilia could have used more jawline and nose, though.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:55
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Shima Honnou posted:Yeah, there's a lot of criticisms that can be leveled at the movie, but "Not enough like T1/2 Sarah Connor" doesn't make a whole lot of sense. This Sarah Connor has been different from that one since she was nine, it makes some sense to me that she might look or act differently, since she wasn't raised to be the other Sarah. Women tend to get poo poo when they get work done though. Men do to a much lesser degree.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:57
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Gatts posted:In a sense I think Arnold is like a TX now. Unless he did completely upgrade to a T1000 by removing his chip and leaving his frame behind. I don't think so because of how iconic the endoskeleton is though it'd make some sense to leave behind a failing body. 
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Jul 8, 2015 02:12
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CelticPredator posted:Is this from the new Alien movie? I believe it was a makeup test by a a makeup test by an effects studio trying to visualize how Biehn could look if Neil Blomkamp's Alien film gets made. Burkion posted:T-1000 is just liquid metal that's programmed to reshape itself. Whatever nonsense words T2 used to explain it. T-X definitely has nanobots. It's what she uses to take over the cars in the chase scene in T3. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Jul 8, 2015 |
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Jul 8, 2015 02:21
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The T1000 from T2 was still sent back right? What did it do with itself? I wonder if there was anyone named John Conner left alive in the whole world by 2017. Or any Conners at all.
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Jul 8, 2015 02:52
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Fragmented posted:The T1000 from T2 was still sent back right? What did it do with itself? I wonder if there was anyone named John Conner left alive in the whole world by 2017. Or any Conners at all. John Connor never existed in the Genisys 1984-2017 timeline so there wouldn't be any reason for that T-1000 to go back.
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Jul 8, 2015 03:10
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I need a diagram or something. So time fuckery happens and a T1000 plus reprogrammed Arnold are sent back when Sarah is a kid resulting in no John. But then the bad Arnold still shows up from T1. So in a different timeline they sent the T2 terms back earlier AND the T1 term. If they still tried to kill Sarah obviously John was still alive to lead the resistance and send back good Arnold. I'm so confused. I mean all 3 and Reese were sent back at the same time right?
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Jul 8, 2015 03:44
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Fragmented posted:I mean all 3 and Reese were sent back at the same time right? And I could work on a movies-only diagram that assumes there's multiple timelines, but I haven't seen Genisys yet (gonna see it with my father this weekend).
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Jul 8, 2015 03:46
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Donnerberg posted:Yeah, I think he kept it all too. When he breaks into the bunker using a blade, it's only the missing arm that has transformed. Isn't his facial damage also repaired?
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Jul 8, 2015 04:51
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I'm reading "Cowl" by Neal Asher. It features a lot of time travel, and does a cool handwave where the ridiculous future person just says "You have a linear mind, you won't get it." And they just leave it at that.
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Jul 8, 2015 04:53
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Fragmented posted:I need a diagram or something. So time fuckery happens and a T1000 plus reprogrammed Arnold are sent back when Sarah is a kid resulting in no John. But then the bad Arnold still shows up from T1. So in a different timeline they sent the T2 terms back earlier AND the T1 term. If they still tried to kill Sarah obviously John was still alive to lead the resistance and send back good Arnold. I'm so confused. I mean all 3 and Reese were sent back at the same time right? Sarah still exists so they still send back T1 terminator, but since Sarah and Kyle don't gently caress in 1984, John Connor isn't born in that timeline at all, so there's no reason to send something back to kill him. John Connor from the timeline Kyle comes from goes back in time to ensure that Skynet exists, probably because the 1984 terminator fails and with that terminator failed Skynet could be stopped at the source. The 9-year-old Sarah T-1000 and 1984 T-1000 are sent back (Assuming they are not one and the same, of course; the T2 T-1000 did lose track of John, Sarah, and Arnie for a while, too, and we know simply blowing it up isn't enough to kill it) as a failsafe following the failure of the 1984 T-800, or alongside it following the takeover of John. The only question is who sent Pops back, and the answer to that is probably John Connor before he was completely corrupted, or someone from yet another timeline (Probably yet another alternate John). Shima Honnou fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Jul 8, 2015 |
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Jul 8, 2015 04:56
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I thought the original timeline was Skynet sends back Arnold and the T1000. John sends back Reese before they realize Skynet sent both. John and co then reprogram another Arnie and send it back all on the same night. So if in the future bit we saw wouldn't that T1000 still get sent back before everything goes tits up as Reese is getting sent back? I'm assuming it was the original timeline until that moment that John gets attacked at the time portal.
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Jul 8, 2015 05:21
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The feeling I have is that Terminator probably should have just been a single self-contained movie because as soon as we add in the T-1000 everything starts falling apart. It opens up conceits. Either Skynet didn't fall before they sent Kyle back, meaning there's another time machine and Skynet sends the T-1000 back to correct the mistake of the T-800/Skynet took the time machine back and sent the T-1000 after reclaiming it. Or it means Skynet had the T-1000 sitting around good to go within moments of sending back the T-800, but then why not just send back the T-1000 in the first place since it's obviously the superior model for assassination? That's when you have to make the choice to either just watch and enjoy a movie without worrying about internal logistics of a fictional story or go mad posting huge things trying to figure it all out.
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Jul 8, 2015 05:37
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I think the official line is that the T-1000 was a prototype with a new level of intelligence and Skynet feared it would go rogue.
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Jul 8, 2015 05:42
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In the end we'll find out Skynet sent Pops back in time because it evolved to the point it realized it regrets doing what it did and make amends to stop itself. Or maybe Pops sends himself back in time.
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Jul 8, 2015 06:24
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It's fun to try make logical sense of the plot as long as you don't go as far as the Star Wars thread does. Maybe killing John was the primary target and Skynet sent the T1000 first and a regular terminator as a failsafe. Maybe the humans just saw the first later date after they sent Reese to the second earlier date.
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Jul 8, 2015 06:33
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It's also amusing to think of the T1000 arriving to the Genisys timeline and being all wtf because there's no John and Sarah isn't even around. Then Pops tricks him to the acid cave again.
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Jul 8, 2015 06:41
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Fragmented posted:It's also amusing to think of the T1000 arriving to the Genisys timeline and being all wtf because there's no John and Sarah isn't even around. Then Pops tricks him to the acid cave again. Although they didn't show it, I'm pretty sure that's what must have actually happened. Well, dunno about Pops and the acid, but yeah I think Robert Patrick will have arrived in a Connorless 1995. In James Cameron's original script for T2 it was made clear that both the T-800 and T-1000 were sent back by Skynet at the same time, as a two-pronged attack. The future war/time machine stuff at the beginning of Genisys is pretty faithfully based on that original Cameron script, including the time machine design and the HK spider tank, which Cameron called a "Centurion". Once Kyle was sent back, the other soldiers were ready to blow up the time machine, but then Connor revealed that they still had something else to do. He went to a storage place for various Terminators. The rack for the Arnold models was already missing one (the original Terminator), and John then got a second Arnold and reprogrammed it. Of course John didn't get to do that in Genisys because he got attacked. Although history goes nuts in Genisys, the original T-800 still arrived in exactly the same time and place it was originally supposed to, as did Kyle Reese. And Connor later explains that time traveller immunity is in effect, that they are exiles from a timeline that no longer exists but that doesn't matter, time travellers are immune to paradoxes. So presumably the Robert Patrick T-1000 arrived in 1995 with no-one to kill. And I guess that's what also would have happened if the original T-800 had succeeded in killing Sarah. Once it had established that its mission was already complete, it would have gone and done whatever a Terminator is supposed to do once it has succeeded in terminating its target. (Maybe it goes to sleep somewhere and waits for the future war.)
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Jul 8, 2015 12:52
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What I'm hearing is, if they're clever, we'll get an OG T-1000 cameo later. gently caress yes
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Jul 8, 2015 16:17
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Burkion posted:What I'm hearing is, if they're clever, we'll get an OG T-1000 cameo later. I think the best way to do that would be CGI. Old-man Arnold works but the T-1000 should always look like Robert Patrick in his prime. And he's supposed to be made of liquid anyway so if the CGI isn't 100% convincing who cares.
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Jul 8, 2015 16:20
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I'd love it if the T-1000 got so intelligent that it broke free of Skynet's influence...but in the exact opposite way of the Arnie Terminators, where he's still a sadistic killer who takes pleasure in murdering those who annoy him. He and Arnie team up anyways because gently caress, if Skynet takes over, less humans to murder.
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Jul 8, 2015 16:26
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Burkion posted:I'd love it if the T-1000 got so intelligent that it broke free of Skynet's influence... Literally happens in the Terminator series.
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Jul 8, 2015 17:03
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Firstborn posted:Literally happens in the Terminator series. Oh I know, I watched that show. I just want to see our good friend the original T-1000 do it. It'd be like a buddy cop movie, only with killer cyborgs ....you know I really do have to ask, how the gently caress does the T-1000 get past the 'no dead things' rule of time travel? I mean I understand the regular Terminators, they're covered in flesh so it tricks it. The T-1000 is literally just metal.
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Jul 8, 2015 17:23
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Burkion posted:....you know I really do have to ask, how the gently caress does the T-1000 get past the 'no dead things' rule of time travel? I mean I understand the regular Terminators, they're covered in flesh so it tricks it. The T-1000 is literally just metal. The mimetic poly-alloy can mimic anything, including human tissue. Its mimetic, duh.
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Jul 8, 2015 17:25
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Basebf555 posted:The mimetic poly-alloy can mimic anything, including human tissue. Its mimetic, duh. That doesn't mean it IS human tissue. It just looks and feels like it. Nothing on the T-1000 is alive.
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Jul 8, 2015 17:27
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Burkion posted:Nothing on the T-1000 is alive. It's living metal in the same way that humans are living oxygen, carbon, and hydrogen (and a little bit of other junk). Unlike the soulless T-800, the T-1000 possesses a fundamental animating force. That's why it's so dangerous to Skynet and wasn't in general use in fighting the resistance.
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Jul 8, 2015 17:27
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We Hate Movies was reviewing T3 last week, I think it was, and they had this idea for the concept that I wished would've happened. Robert Patrick is sent back, and now he's the good guy, in the same sort of swerve that happened between T1 and T2. The advertising for this movie made no secret that Patrick was not the T-1000, but at the same time the shot where he crawls through the glass of the police car and is perched on it completely silver still kind've looks like him. It's weird.
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Jul 8, 2015 17:30
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Burkion posted:That doesn't mean it IS human tissue. It just looks and feels like it. Nothing on the T-1000 is alive.
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Jul 8, 2015 18:29
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I will stand by the goon who called Connor the "powder terminator".
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Jul 8, 2015 18:34
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Xenomrph posted:Sure, but being a bunch of nano robots, it could potentially mimic living tissue at a cellular/molecular level well enough to fool the time machine. The T-1000 isn't nanobots. It's just liquid metal. TX and T-3000 are nanobots.
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Jul 8, 2015 18:54
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Burkion posted:The T-1000 isn't nanobots. It's just liquid metal. They're both made of nanotechnology, they just function differently.
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Jul 8, 2015 19:10
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Xenomrph posted:How do you think that "liquid metal" does what it does? We had this conversation earlier. It's a super experimental mimetic poly metal stuff. That's why it can form solid shapes, but it can't make stuff like guns or what not. The difference between it and the T-3000
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Jul 8, 2015 19:19
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Burkion posted:That doesn't mean it IS human tissue. It just looks and feels like it. Nothing on the T-1000 is alive. It's been so long since I've watched T2, but the T-1000 time travel scene has him arriving offscreen, right? And the cop goes to investigate? I guess a simple (simple, lol) explanation would be the the T-1000 got sent back as a ball of liquid metal wrapped in a skin balloon so that it could survive the trip, then it busts out, kills the cop, and uses his form as a 'default' template? Basically the same way a normal terminator can make the trip, it's a machine wrapped in skin after all.
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Jul 8, 2015 19:26
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Burkion posted:We had this conversation earlier. It's a super experimental mimetic poly metal stuff. That's why it can form solid shapes, but it can't make stuff like guns or what not. The answer is it's a nanomachine, it just functions differently from the Connorbot, or the T-X's machine-hacking nanobots. I could also cite the T2 novelization which is based on Cameron's T2 script, which refers to the T-1000 as a "nanomorph", made up of nanomachines.
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Jul 8, 2015 19:29
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Xenomrph posted:How does it do what it does? Microscale adjustments of a self-reinforcing electromagnetic field acting on the metal alloy liquid. Unable to form nanoscale elements, it's not nanotechnology.
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Jul 8, 2015 19:31
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WarLocke posted:It's been so long since I've watched T2, but the T-1000 time travel scene has him arriving offscreen, right? And the cop goes to investigate? It was probably offscreen so one would assume he was human. He impales the cop but it's shot so it looks like he sucker punched him too (though in the comics and IIRC the script it's very blatant).
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Jul 8, 2015 19:35
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Firstborn posted:I will stand by the goon who called Connor the "powder terminator". Thanks though it was my cousin who isn't a goon. The Powder Terminator is awesome.
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Jul 8, 2015 19:37
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Sir Kodiak posted:Microscale adjustments of a self-reinforcing electromagnetic field acting on the metal alloy liquid. Unable to form nanoscale elements, it's not nanotechnology.
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Man o'wars are like that too, they're not actually jellyfish but rather many separete organisms that integrate and survive as one form.
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