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ToxicSlurpee posted:How many other states would lead to more D seats if they're ungerrymandered? Well, put it like this: Democrats won the majority of House votes, but have 40% or so of the seats. Even accounting for running up the score, that's a huge disparity. National, neutral maps would put them in striking range of taking the House, if not granting it to them outright. But that won't happen since the usual go-to button for Federal interference (the commerce clause) really doesn't apply to state districting.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:The major, major problem with Trump is that he could very easily get the Archie Bunker vote but is going to alienate everybody else. He's exactly what the base wants. He's finally thrown aside the curtain, jumped into the spotlight, and screamed "I AM THE GOP!" And he's right. He's tragically, unashamedly right. The GOP base is angry white people that only give a poo poo about getting more for themselves at the expense of everybody else. He's the right wing that thinks that business is always right and non-white people suck. He thinks that the only thing that really matters is one's net worth. The number of digits in your bank account gives you increased right to declare your opinions correct on everything. Trump 2016: More Money = Better Than
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OAquinas posted:But that won't happen since the usual go-to button for Federal interference (the commerce clause) really doesn't apply to state districting. U.S. Constitution Article 1, § 4 posted:The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing [sic] Senators. Vieth v. Jubilirer posted:Article I, § 4, while leaving in state legislatures the initial power to draw districts for federal elections, permitted Congress to 'make or alter' those districts if it wished. Congress actually has absolute authority to decide congressional maps for each of the states. It has simply never chosen to do so.
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Chantilly Say posted:This seems like you'd have to make it illegal to advertise in any way, lest someone just hire a skywriting plane to write "VOTE FOR ROBERTA" and let name recognition do its thing on Election Day. Worst that happens is a low power congressperson gets in and everyone ignores them. But someone hiring a skywriting plane is honestly very unlikely to gather 50,000 votes. People can only vote once, and they can only vote for one person in the whole country - do you really think enough people would be voting on as skywriter to make that an actual issue? Even if there was, that person would be a very weak congressperson that everyone could pretty much safely ignore. Seriously, it would fix so many of the problems with our current system: People not voting because their vote doesn't matter? In this system, everyone matters! Gerrymandering? Completely Impossible (unlike in NKs inflate the legislator plan, where it's still quite possible). Politicians with more support not having any more say than those representing a handful of people in some rural area? Well, now the more popular one has power in direct proportion to the number of people they represent. No more politicians winning 50.1% of the vote and claiming it's a mandate from 100% of the people. GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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Gen. Ripper posted:Counterpoint: Name one authoritarian single-party state where the legislature was worth anything. Counter-counterpoint: you are proposing the exact method they selected to make the legislature irrelevant and thinking it won't have the same effect JT Jag posted:I think that fixing congress to one congressman to every 200,000 people would be alright. 1,500 representatives is a ton, but not outright ridiculous. Hell, I'd be ok with stretching it to 250. In what reality do you think you will be able to get 751 people to agree to anything to pass basic bills? Much less contentious things like the civil rights act or a post financial crash stimulus or universal health care? dpbjinc posted:Congress should just go online only. Have 10,000 representatives debate on a forum. It would be named Something Lawful. Yeah, and when a despot rises above you all through superior will, you can just impeach him. How is that working out for you?
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Just start a subreddit where anyone can post laws, and then enact the highest voted post every week. Pretty simple guys.
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1337JiveTurkey posted:That's really risky for them. If Trump's not in the debates because he's legitimately not popular enough, they can hope his campaign will just sputter out. I think you're overestimating how solid his support actually is. He polls well nationally because he has high name ID compared to the rest of the field. That's it. That's the end of it. His support crumbles the second somebody else manages to take the spotlight by saying something really stupid. That moment will happen at the first debate even if he's not there, and none of the primary voters are actually going to care beyond the small percentage of them who are actually die hard Trump fans for some reason. Go look at the polling graphs from the 2012 primaries. Trump is the first anyone-but-Romney of this cycle. Give it a few weeks and it'll be Ben Carson. A few weeks after that it'll be Cruz. They'll rotate through their options, and they're probably going to land on Bush or Rubio. Hell, we might even end up with a Bush/Rubio ticket. This far out the national polling isn't really meaningful for much, and statistically it's all complete garbage. Though, that fact isn't going to stop the networks from excluding essentially random candidates that ring in at the rear end end of the poll lottery well within the margin of error. Debates have a big impact on polling. Anybody who doesn't make it to that first debate is loving done. What happens at that debate is going to dominate the coverage, and someone's pet candidate being excluded isn't going to change that. When the primaries actually happen, I really don't trust that poll respondents are going to pull the level for the people they say they're going to pull the lever for in July of 2015. You may as well put stock in what a 5 year old says they want to be when they grow up. It probably has more weight. ErIog fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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Radbot posted:Just start a subreddit where anyone can post laws, and then enact the highest voted post every week. Pretty simple guys. Can I vote with marbles?
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Radbot posted:Just start a subreddit where anyone can post laws, and then enact the highest voted post every week. Pretty simple guys. Mandatory fat people olympics and women not allowed to use the internet or play computer games bypassable only by the "t or gtfo" clause. How progressive.
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Jul 10, 2015 14:14
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Un-insured rate down to 11.4% in latest poll (11.9 in prior). For reference it was at 18% when the ACA kicked in in 2013.
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If you want a hopeful vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a Confederate face - forever.
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NBC and ABC are running it being taken down if you want a local channel. They've been on the ball for most of these big events.
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Jul 10, 2015 15:06
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Fried Chicken posted:Un-insured rate down to 11.4% in latest poll (11.9 in prior). For reference it was at 18% when the ACA kicked in in 2013. But but but my mom's friend's sister's CPA saw their premium go up $100 a month!
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Dehry posted:NBC and ABC are running it being taken down if you want a local channel. They've been on the ball for most of these big events. A black dude is commanding the stupid state trooper "honor guard" taking the flag down, lol forever. I'm really glad people started chanting during the ceremony because it doesn't deserve even a shred of respect.
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A Bag of Milk posted:The New Hampshire lower house has 400 members, which is about one rep for every 3,000 people. This helps neo-Nazis, libertarians, and other assorted crazies win a seat in the legislature. It doesn't seem to help with good governance compared to other states. Sure is a good thing no one proposed a 100,000 member congress then! Or to make the entire country full of New Hampshire type people.
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whitey delenda est posted:A black dude is commanding the stupid state trooper "honor guard" taking the flag down, lol forever. That's pretty much better than anything I expected. I was expecting a bunch of scooter types with dozens of quavering chins as they watched their goddamn flag get pulled down. I'd rather have seen it blasted off the pole by a hurricane but having a cop crew with a black guy in charge pull the fucker down is pretty good.
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Mister Macys posted:He's never actually held public office for anything, right? Correct, he's never held public office. However there is a significant and growing number of people who, as you said, see public office experience as a possible negative, depending on how you spent that experience.
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CNN got the author of World War Z to fact check Jeb!'s claim that we're in a "zombie economy".quote:"From a figurative point of view, George W. Bush, not Obama, had a 'zombie economy,'" Brooks stated emphatically. And for anyone thinking a "zombie economy" is one that is sluggish or dying? Well, those people are clueless about zombies, as Brooks remarked. 
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Jul 10, 2015 15:23
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All it needed was a huge gospel choir singing the national anthem as that treasonous rag was being lowered.
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ErIog posted:I think you're overestimating how solid his support actually is. He polls well nationally because he has high name ID compared to the rest of the field. That's it. That's the end of it. His support crumbles the second somebody else manages to take the spotlight by saying something really stupid. That moment will happen at the first debate even if he's not there, and none of the primary voters are actually going to care beyond the small percentage of them who are actually die hard Trump fans for some reason. Go look at the polling graphs from the 2012 primaries. Trump is the first anyone-but-Romney of this cycle. Give it a few weeks and it'll be Ben Carson. A few weeks after that it'll be Cruz. They'll rotate through their options, and they're probably going to land on Bush or Rubio. Hell, we might even end up with a Bush/Rubio ticket. This. Between now and the primaries it will be whoever spends the most that month on PR or had the snappiest extremist sound bite will be the top leader. Then when the debates actually start to happen, one by one they will fall to the 'gotcha' questions. "I am a Mexican, born here in the US, work as a doctor, but my mother is not legal. What happens to her?" And Trump falls. "I am a marine vet, have 3 cancers, and Obamacare has saved my life. What changes do you want to do?" And Cruz falls. "I am a refuge from Syria, what will you do about ISIS?" And Rand Paul falls. Of course the hilarity will be most will fall due to self inflicted wounds trying to out Reagan each other.
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skaboomizzy posted:All it needed was a huge gospel choir singing the 
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Maybe the crowd will get a chance to boo another gay Marine serving overseas.
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Honestly, I'd be surprised if the Republicans win. The party is such an utter embarrassment and society has changed enough, even the most milquetoast guy with an actual chance to win the primary is liable to flame out from being an out of touch bigot.
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Just landed in the States for a vacation, and the first TV I see is CNN coverage of the confederate flag coming down. Pretty cool "welcome home", courtesy of SC! 
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Good news! Global income inequality is down and it's all thanks to free trade and immigration laws.quote:Income inequality has surged as a political and economic issue, but the numbers don’t show that inequality is rising from a global perspective. Yes, the problem has become more acute within most individual nations, yet income inequality for the world as a whole has been falling for most of the last 20 years. It’s a fact that hasn’t been noted often enough.
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Zoran posted:Congress actually has absolute authority to decide congressional maps for each of the states. It has simply never chosen to do so. Well, I'll be damned. Learn something every day; I thought that elections were mandated but otherwise the details were left up to the states. Not that it effectively changes what Congress will do, but nice to know the option's there in case they go totally batshit.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Good news! Global income inequality is down and it's all thanks to free trade and immigration laws. 1) Calling the recent Chinese economic development to be "among the most egalitarian in history" is a real stretch. 2) One of the biggest arguments I've heard in favor of the TPP is exactly this argument: it's better for the world population as a whole and will help developing Pacific/SE Asian economies and people's standards of living in that area. Which is bullshit if you consider it's still a handout of power to international corporations who, while they may be too scared to sue and bully the US (because they've already bought the Congress here, why bother?) but are probably not scared at all of, say, suing Vietnam and throwing it under the guise of attacking Vietnam for their human rights abuses.
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happyhippy posted:This. Trump: "She goes home. You're a doctor, you can support her there or you can stay here since you're a citizen. But we're in a nation of laws. Rules are rules, you don't get a special exception for being a nice guy." Raucous applause Cruz: "Firstly, thank you for your service, and I am happy for your recovery. Obamacare didn't save your life however. That was your doctors and our good lord in heaven. If there's a payment issue is better for people to rely on their community and neighbors than the government. " raucous applause Paul: "Your people got you into this mess and they'll have to get themselves out. Are you really saying you'd rather have American troops in your backyard? We're Warriors, not babysitters." Mixed applause I mean those are super easy to satisfy your conservatives in a Republican debate. Paul's is the hardest but the libertarian wing will buy it, and the conservative base will probably accept "yeah gently caress those guys, not my problem" because that seems to be their prevalent attitude domestically, is easily extended to foreigners. They fear liberals more than terrorists. Also I doubt any of those would make it into a Fox debate except the last one.
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greatn posted:Cruz: "Firstly, thank you for your service, and I am happy for your recovery. Obamacare didn't save your life however. That was your doctors and our good lord in heaven. If there's a payment issue is better for people to rely on their community and neighbors than the government. " raucous applause Then rephrase the question to "Obamacare made it possible for me to afford health insurance--without it, I wouldn't have been able to afford life-saving surgery. Why do you want to repeal this law that made it possible for me to have affordable health insurance?" Cruz can waffle all he wants about "community" and "bootstraps" but no one who hasn't already bought it will buy it. Trump can poo poo down Hispanics' throats until he's blue in the face for all I care. All it does is damage the GOP's brand with them and increase the Hispanic vote take for Democrats in the general. Will his response cause a scandal? No, but the DNC can slap it in a mailer and it's good for a few million--and the rest of the GOP dais will be asked "Do you agree or disagree with Donald Trump when he says that all Mexicans are rapists and disease carriers?" Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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happyhippy posted:This. this isn't how debates work, ever
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Alter Ego posted:Then rephrase the question to "Obamacare made it possible for me to afford health insurance--without it, I wouldn't have been able to afford life-saving surgery. Why do you want to repeal this law that made it possible for me to have affordable health insurance?" Cruz can waffle all he wants about "community" and "bootstraps" but no one who hasn't already bought it will buy it.
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Repealing the PPACA and leaving it up to free market solutions such as allowing the selling of insurance across state lines would have made your health insurance MORE affordable, but without the stain of government interference.
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Alter Ego posted:Then rephrase the question to "Obamacare made it possible for me to afford health insurance--without it, I wouldn't have been able to afford life-saving surgery. Why do you want to repeal this law that made it possible for me to have affordable health insurance?" Cruz can waffle all he wants about "community" and "bootstraps" but no one who hasn't already bought it will buy it. The answer to every single "gotcha" question anyone has ever thought would be a silver bullet is the same: "meaningless platitude, pivot to the question you actually want to answer, well-rehearsed answer to the question you want to answer" The only time that any candidate has ever been torpedoed by a gotcha question in one of these debates was when Rick Perry got nailed with Rick Perry's question about what three government departments Rick Perry planned to eliminate.
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GlyphGryph posted:Do you think changing the question will actually change the answer or the applause? I'd rate that as... unlikely., No, but it might change the coverage afterwards. I'm not arguing that it will sink Cruz's campaign, because these are the people that cheered dead and dying soldiers in 2008/2012. They have no shame and are barely human. But it will illustrate that in starker contrast in the debate postmortem if the question is phrased the way I phrased it. Cruz can't say "Obamacare didn't save your life" to somebody for whom it literally did so without looking like an unfeeling cretin to the non-insane world.
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quote:Kentucky GOP Sen. Rand Paul on Thursday announced he'll introduce legislation to prevent "sanctuary cities" from harboring violent and dangerous criminal aliens. What? I've never heard of this poo poo before. Something about this sounds exactly like the Muslim No-Go Zone bullshit.
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Alter Ego posted:without looking like an unfeeling cretin to the non-insane world. This doesn't matter to them, and it is why they will be stopped.
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Doctor Butts posted:What? I've never heard of this poo poo before. Something about this sounds exactly like the Muslim No-Go Zone bullshit. No that exists, there are a number of cities where the police are expressly instructed not to report undocumented immigrants to the federal government. That said, Paul's law is obviously unconstitutional under the decision striking down part of the Brady Bill - the Federal Government can't coerce local law enforcement into enforcing federal law for it. Cities and states don't need to care one bit about reporting undocumented immigrants.
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Personally, I am now hoping Trump is the GOP's Goldwater. Put him up there as the GOP's unfiltered id. See if their ideas are REALLY palatable to a majority of the country. And when he gets destroyed by Hillary (or Bernie, because honestly, if Trump is the nominee I'd feel perfectly comfortable voting for him), maybe, just maybe, the light bulb will click on.
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Doctor Butts posted:What? I've never heard of this poo poo before. Something about this sounds exactly like the Muslim No-Go Zone bullshit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_city http://articles.latimes.com/1996-12-11/news/mn-8071_1_safety-zone
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