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Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Iron Crowned posted:

I don't think I could live in a world where I have to go to Sam's Club to visit Starbucks.

You could just jerk it at home, you know. It'll save you some money at least.

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AhhYes
Dec 1, 2004

* Click *
College Slice

mcmagic posted:

So you mean second guess after having no plan that was in any way different from what the administration did in Syria?

Duh. Second guessing and making vague references to plans that don't exactly exist is a highly effective electoral strategy.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
:911:

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

ComradeCosmobot posted:

Depends. Are you a Congressional Republican?

Congressional Republicans, the people who got an elected democratic president to agree to chained cpi and the virtual dismantlement of Our Legacy to Society, Social Security and walked away from it.

These are really the people we should be listening to about strategy.

Arsonist Daria
Feb 27, 2011

Requiescat in pace.

If only we hadn't trusted Muslims, this innocent country would still have its buildings!

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

9/11 is the new third rail.

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

gradenko_2000 posted:

"Just like Hillary Clinton!"

except unironically for about half this thread

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

TheDisreputableDog posted:

Uh you realize that even the Obama Administration admits this deal only kicks the can down the road? It temporarily increases their breakout point to a year, but that will continue to diminish to practically zero.

On the other hand, Iran has been just a year away from the bomb for most of my life. Then recently Bibi kept telling us that the bomb was coming any day that we didn't bomb the living poo poo out of Iran. Seems to me guaranteeing that Iran will be just a year away 10-15 years from now is an improvement.


Everyone remembers Iran's roll in 9/11.

Though I'm sure you could write quite a good dissertation comparing our activities in Afghanistan and Iran that comes to the conclusion that coming to a deal with Iran instead of continuing over 30 years of angry saber rattling is in fact a very good post 9/11 lesson.

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen

Gyges posted:

On the other hand, Iran has been just a year away from the bomb for most of my life. Then recently Bibi kept telling us that the bomb was coming any day that we didn't bomb the living poo poo out of Iran. Seems to me guaranteeing that Iran will be just a year away 10-15 years from now is an improvement.


Everyone remembers Iran's roll in 9/11.

Though I'm sure you could write quite a good dissertation comparing our activities in Afghanistan and Iran that comes to the conclusion that coming to a deal with Iran instead of continuing over 30 years of angry saber rattling is in fact a very good post 9/11 lesson.

Iran's roll

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

I read this and re-read this and I saw that there were different words, but my brain kept interpreting it as "Please remember me for literally the only thing I was ever relevant for."

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

Alter Ego posted:

I read this and re-read this and I saw that there were different words, but my brain kept interpreting it as "Please remember me for literally the only thing I was ever relevant for."

It worked for Gulliani (in getting a FOX position)

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

TheDisreputableDog posted:

Actually one of our main ideas is "don't flub Syria so badly that we simultaneously empower Putin (who rolled in like the grownup at the pool) *and* gave ISIS the breathing room to self-organize and roll into Iraq"

Like, we feel the dual outcomes of Putin taking bites out of other countries like he's on a Wonka tour, and Iran's implicit support becoming more important in Iraq should be avoided next time there's a global inflection point.

Sort of a "don't draw red lines when you lack the will to enforce them" idea? Something like that, we have some time to distill it down to something pithy like "stop dumb wars".

Clearly if the Romney White House are started arming the Syrian rebels from day one things would be better off today. Why didn't Congress approve Obama's request to start bombing Assad when he crossed the red line?

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

persian food is p good, i agree

i am the bird
Mar 2, 2005

I SUPPORT ALL THE PREDATORS

Gravel Gravy posted:

It worked for Gulliani (in getting a FOX position)

And it gave us the Biden classic line: "a noun, a verb, and 9/11."

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

persian food is p good, i agree

Went to this Irani restaurant in downtown Manhattan. Great food. Icing on the cake was they gave us saffron ice cream.

I didn't know that was a thing but oh man was it good.

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen

Gravel Gravy posted:

Went to this Irani restaurant in downtown Manhattan. Great food. Icing on the cake was they gave us saffron ice cream.

I didn't know that was a thing but oh man was it good.

More people should try Persian food

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

Gravel Gravy posted:

Went to this Irani restaurant in downtown Manhattan. Great food. Icing on the cake was they gave us saffron ice cream.

I didn't know that was a thing but oh man was it good.

Yeah, one of my friends in undergrad is a Persian emigre and she used to make us baller poo poo.

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

Gravel Gravy posted:

Went to this Irani restaurant in downtown Manhattan. Great food. Icing on the cake was they gave us saffron ice cream.

I didn't know that was a thing but oh man was it good.

ME/Persian food loving rules and more people should experience it.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

quote:

"a noun, a verb, and 9/11."

The video quality is pretty bad but holy poo poo Diamond Joe was Diamond Joe for a long long time now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DteDRD6cbbM

What a beatdown :allears:

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

Gravel Gravy posted:

Went to this Irani restaurant in downtown Manhattan. Great food. Icing on the cake was they gave us saffron ice cream.

I didn't know that was a thing but oh man was it good.

That's like my favorite ice cream ever

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

ZenVulgarity posted:

More people should try Persian food

I've been to three or so Narwuz parties this year and I can confirm this.

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

That's like my favorite ice cream ever

My experience with "saffron" to that point was the little yellow bags of rice that supposedly had saffron but was mostly MSG.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

Yeah, one of my friends in undergrad is a Persian emigre and she used to make us baller poo poo.

Conflict Kitchen should be replicated in other cities.

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

GalacticAcid posted:

Conflict Kitchen should be replicated in other cities.

That's a really neat idea. Thanks for the link!

Gonna have to go check that out next time I am up in the 'Burgh.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Persian food is fava beans and olive oil paste.

Nothing beats American food, scientifically, nor literally.

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen

Gravel Gravy posted:

I've been to three or so Narwuz parties this year and I can confirm this.

Best food I had in Tokyo was this Iranian family who immigrated there for whatever the gently caress reason

Grandma and grandpa directing cooking and poo poo and everything

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

Nonsense posted:

Persian food is fava beans and olive oil paste.

Nothing beats American food, scientifically, nor literally.

Mexican food > American food :colbert:

The Taco is literally the greatest thing ever in the world of food.

Alfred P. Pseudonym
May 29, 2006

And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss goes 8-8


"Let's roll" - Iran, September 11, 2001

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

A Winner is Jew posted:

Mexican food > American food :colbert:

The Taco is literally the greatest thing ever in the world of food.

real mexican food though. not american mexcan food.

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

real mexican food though. not american mexcan food.

And not Tex-Mex.

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

Gravel Gravy posted:

And not Tex-Mex.

redundant.

Arsonist Daria
Feb 27, 2011

Requiescat in pace.

I'd argue most "American Mexican" food is itself a poor imitation of tex-mex.

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

I don't know but there are a few levels for me. American Mexican and Tex-Mex are pretty different but both inferior to Mex-Mex.

I am talking "we combined ranch and salsa for you to dip chips in" AmMex.

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



If you guys aren't burging out or smashing some actual BBQ, then I don't even know what to tell ya.

America has the best food because we have ALL the food :getin:

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

Thump! posted:

If you guys aren't burging out or smashing some actual BBQ, then I don't even know what to tell ya.

America has the best food because we have ALL the food :getin:

africanchildstarvingnexttowaitingvulture.jpg

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Alter Ego posted:

Of course. Continue sanctions, destroy Iran's economy, and ensure that they become a nuclear pariah state that continues to support terrorism, because what we want is another country that a) has the bomb and b) hates our loving guts. Like North Korea but in the Middle East! :downsbravo:

Except North Korea's bombs can't do anything more than explode on their own territory, and as such are not a threat at all. People grossly overplay North Korea's nuclear capabilities.

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Gravel Gravy posted:

africanchildstarvingnexttowaitingvulture.jpg

That's his own fault. Shoulda been born an American :911:

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Nintendo Kid posted:

Except North Korea's bombs can't do anything more than explode on their own territory, and as such are not a threat at all. People grossly overplay North Korea's nuclear capabilities.

People grossly overplay North Korea's non-nuclear military capabilities as well. Besides the few thousand well dressed troops they like to parade around in circles for the cameras their army is a wreck.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

This food chat is good and all, but I'm not sure how I can feel about any of these meals without an image of Scott Walker looking at each of them, maybe with an orange juice, or a Sprite, or two Gatorades.

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DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe
Here's a quick rundown of all the Republican candidates' reactions so far to the Iran deal:

quote:

“President Obama’s nuclear agreement with Iran will be remembered as one of America's worst diplomatic failures," Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) said in a statement. "The deal allows Tehran to dismantle U.S. and international sanctions without dismantling its illicit nuclear infrastructure -- giving Iran’s nuclear weapons capability an American stamp of approval. In crafting this agreement, President Obama has abandoned the bipartisan principles that have guided our nonproliferation policy and kept the world safe from nuclear danger for decades. Instead of making the world safer, this deal will likely lead to a nuclear arms race in the world’s most dangerous region."

quote:

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) accused Obama of "negotiating from a position of weakness" and said that he did not expect the deal to be approved by Congress.

"Failure by the President to obtain congressional support will tell the Iranians and the world that this is Barack Obama's deal, not an agreement with lasting support from the United States," Rubio said. "It will then be left to the next President to return us to a position of American strength and re-impose sanctions on this despicable regime until it is truly willing to abandon its nuclear ambitions and is no longer a threat to international security.”

quote:

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) said that the agreement wasn't diplomacy, but appeasement. "The nuclear agreement announced by the Obama Administration today is a dangerous, deeply flawed, and short sighted deal," he said. "Based on initial reports and analysis, it appears this agreement does not 'cut off all of Iran’s pathways to a nuclear weapon' -- in fact, over time it paves Iran’s path to a bomb."

quote:

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) echoed the criticisms of his fellow Republicans, but also referenced Americans currently being detained in Iranian prisons.

"In his remarks this morning, the President glossed over the truth about Iran’s world-leading state-sponsorship of terrorism that is violently destabilizing the region, and would grow more deadly should the Iranians get a nuclear bomb," Cruz said in a statement.

"He failed to mention American citizens Saeed Abedini, Amir Hekmati and Jason Rezaian, who continue to languish in Iranian prisons, or Robert Levinson, who is still unaccounted for. For them, today is no ‘opportunity to move in a new direction,’ as the President claimed," he added.

quote:

The deal could be a possible "death sentence" for Israel, according to Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.). The foreign policy hawk told MSNBC on Tuesday that it was "the most dangerous, irresponsible step I have ever seen in the history of watching the Mideast. Barack Obama, John Kerry, have been dangerously naive about the Mideast in general."

quote:

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee (R) made similar comments, saying that the deal would allow Iran to "wipe Israel off the map" and "bring death to America," according to Reuters.

quote:

The deal is likely to lead to an arms race in the Middle East, said former Hewlett-Packard executive and Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina on CBS This Morning.

"Iran has demonstrated bad behavior for 30 years. We know they have been trying to cheat on this deal, we know they have been funding proxies with a strategic objective of destabilizing the region. We know that when sanctions will be lifted there will be more money to fund those same proxies," Fiorina said.

quote:

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) tweeted that Obama had made "humiliating concessions" and "should have walked away."

You might notice that there are two names conspicuously absent from this list.

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