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To be precise, it was first introduced in The Strategic Review  Although the AD&D 2e PHB only specifically mentions "Robin Hood, Orion, Jack the Giant-Killer and the huntresses of Diana" as examples of Rangers.
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Jul 13, 2015 05:25
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ProfessorCirno posted:Never got that spell less ranger thing. Hikers are magic
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Jul 13, 2015 05:26
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Sailor Viy posted:Hikers are magic I mean, he's a D&D player so
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Jul 13, 2015 05:29
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ProfessorCirno posted:To do things that the mundane characters in the world can't do with their usual means, so you call in Mr. Mysterious Powerful Wizard guy to do it? I feel somebody should point out that none of those examples of wizards use magic to do the bolded thing, which makes it really funny that this guy is all "read a book sometime, scrubs!" In the source material Gandalf and Merlin very seldom do anything overtly magical and mostly function as sages who advise the protagonists--who would of course be martial classes if you rolled them as characters. A D&D wizard uses more magic before lunch than either of those characters used in the entire fictional works they're depicted in.
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Jul 13, 2015 05:32
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ProfessorCirno posted:Surprise! It's all EN World! I had an actual argument on TGD where several posters asserted that by it's definition magic has to be capable of/the explanation for everything supernatural, but EN World doesn't surprise me either
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Jul 13, 2015 05:35
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EvanSchenck posted:I feel somebody should point out that none of those examples of wizards use magic to do the bolded thing, which makes it really funny that this guy is all "read a book sometime, scrubs!" In the source material Gandalf and Merlin very seldom do anything overtly magical and mostly function as sages who advise the protagonists--who would of course be martial classes if you rolled them as characters. A D&D wizard uses more magic before lunch than either of those characters used in the entire fictional works they're depicted in. A D&D style wizard rapidly acquires powers that compare to anything the judeo-christian god did post-Genesis (and including that, once you get high enough)
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Jul 13, 2015 06:59
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EvanSchenck posted:I feel somebody should point out that none of those examples of wizards use magic to do the bolded thing, which makes it really funny that this guy is all "read a book sometime, scrubs!" In the source material Gandalf and Merlin very seldom do anything overtly magical and mostly function as sages who advise the protagonists--who would of course be martial classes if you rolled them as characters. A D&D wizard uses more magic before lunch than either of those characters used in the entire fictional works they're depicted in.
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Jul 13, 2015 10:16
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Sailor Viy posted:Hikers are magic Hiking Across Faerun: My encumbrance was too high
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Jul 13, 2015 10:31
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Do 3.x grogs just want to play Ars Magica and never realized it?
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Jul 13, 2015 10:43
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paradoxGentleman posted:Do 3.x grogs just want to play Ars Magica and never realized it? Troupe system would cause them to have conniptions.
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Jul 13, 2015 10:56
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paradoxGentleman posted:Do 3.x grogs just want to play Ars Magica and never realized it? I want to. Someone GM Ars Magica or Pendragon.
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Jul 13, 2015 13:44
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quote:The problem isn't players wanting flavor. If you wanted flavor all you have to do is act the part. All the home brews are around because people what mechanical advantages. I still blame video games with their instant gratification for people with short attention spans. quote:Of course you can, but if you're going to make a brand new class, it'll run a really high risk of becoming underpowered or, probably more likely, overpowered compared to other classes. I mean, WotC has thousands of people playtesting and commenting on their work on the psionic classes for instance, in addition to people working fulltime, who intimately know the system, to build a balance. quote:
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Jul 13, 2015 14:24
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paradoxGentleman posted:Do 3.x grogs just want to play Ars Magica and never realized it? In fairness, most people do.
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Jul 13, 2015 14:29
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quote:Find a way to make Warhammer 40,000 even more insane and over-the-top than it already is. quote:The Emperor speaks again, and has decreed that the Inquisition and the Ecclesiarchy be disbanded from his Golden Throne, both of which think this is the work of a heretic and now fight a war against the Emperor himself. The Adeptus Mechanicus has finally discovered a fully functional STC, and it has split them in half. The Adeptus Astartes follow the Emperor’s orders directly once again, now fighting a war against the Imperium’s faithful. While the Imperium turns inwards upon itself, the Rogue Traders of the outer reaches of the Imperium only care to grab as many worlds under their influence as they can to weather the coming storm. The Imperial Guard seems to fracture more and more as they still try to defend the innumerable threats to mankind, but now more uncertain who are their real enemies. More insane and over-the-top = Tau becomes a liberal democracy
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Jul 13, 2015 14:37
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LatwPIAT posted:More insane and over-the-top = Tau becomes a liberal democracy I think it's insane and over-the-top because a liberal democracy is still acting the exact same as whatever-the-hell mind control government they used to have and conquering tons of poo poo
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Jul 13, 2015 23:24
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With their egregious violations of our most cherished natural rights to stockpile guns and scorn the destitute, all liberal democracies are insane and over-the-top by their very nature.
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Jul 13, 2015 23:28
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Keep your powder dry, Gue'la
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Jul 13, 2015 23:47
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A(nother?) John Carter of Mars RPG is coming.quote:
Are you sure you're okay with the opprobrium of literal slave-holders? quote:This rings very true, especially considering pretty much everyone here is pretending to go into someone else's home, kill them, take their stuff and then go do it again. I won't even get into how many of them are probably playing thieves, assassins, necromancers, etc. I too am troubled by the hypocrisy—hypocrisy I say!—that everyone(all the asterisks right here) is okay with, say, a stagecoach robbery, but saying "friend of the family" all the time and mourning my besmirched Southern Heritage is somehow ~crossing the line~. quote:
This story of race-mixing is not racist because it's the progenitors who are filthy degenerates!
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Jul 14, 2015 07:54
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The part of those stories that always bothered me most was all the sword fighting that was going on while everyone's jibbly bits are flying free in the wind.
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Jul 15, 2015 04:36
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Ronwayne posted:The part of those stories that always bothered me most was all the sword fighting that was going on while everyone's jibbly bits are flying free in the wind. Worked for the Greeks.
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Jul 15, 2015 08:13
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Ronwayne posted:The part of those stories that always bothered me most was all the sword fighting that was going on while everyone's jibbly bits are flying free in the wind.
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Jul 15, 2015 08:44
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This is a valid query, but the tone puts it over into grog.txt for me.quote:I'd love to know why in Shannon Appelcline's Platinum Appendix for Designers and Dragons, covering the years 2008 to present, there is no mention of Zak S, James Raggi, Zzarchov Kowolski, Lamentations of the Flame Princess, the award winning Vornheim, Qelong, Secret Santicore, a bunch of other brilliant releases, and why the single mention of the OSR (in the year 2011, p77) is an entirely negative POV sourced from some random guy's post from RPG.net's forums.
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Jul 15, 2015 12:24
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So D&D 4e Kobolds got a playable race, huh? Cool, got some interesting stuff, like a bonus vs. traps.Someone who hates cultural stereotypes posted:I also think that Trap Sense is very underwhelming. I don't see how it makes any flavor sense that all Kobolds are inherently born with an innate instinct about traps, and it's also going to be useless in a lot of games, because the reality is that many, many DMs do not use traps at all. Guy 2 posted:I think you are looking at it from the wrong perspective. It's not that it's an innate instinct about traps; it is a cultural learning about traps. When you think about the kobold culture, traps will be one of the first things mentioned. Kobolds grow up around traps, learning about them, dealing with them. Considering that, it makes sense that they would get some sort of bonus with traps. Guy 1 posted:No, that makes no sense whatsoever. This is a racial stat block, not a cultural description. Not all Kobolds cultures across all campaign setting put any special emphasis on traps, and even even in campaign settings where that is the case, not all Kobolds necessarily grow up in Kobold culture. Take the classic "raised by another race/culture" trope. A Kobold raised by Eladrin in stereotypical Eladrin cultre should have received no such special learning about traps and should therefore not have this feature. This is what culture should never be a part of mandatory racial mechanics. It makes no sense. In defence, he's consistent, in that he thinks that Elves shouldn't have longbow proficiency as part of their race block. quote:
Okay, so two things: 1. You are playing elfgames. 2. Maybe you want to play something other than D&D.
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I unironically agree with #NotAllKobolds guy.
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Jul 15, 2015 15:28
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Angrymog posted:This is a valid query, but the tone puts it over into grog.txt for me. Apparently this "valid query" has been crossposted to both rpg.net and therpgsite. (You can find the threads easily with Google; I'll not link them.) I'm sure this is solely in the name of gathering additional information.
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Jul 15, 2015 16:10
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Why it's almost like the OSR isn't nearly as important as people think it is! I'm being overly harsh, but really, once you get past "older D&D editions have been rereleased" and "direct retroclones that make OD&D and 1e actually readable", the amount of genuinely good stuff coming out of the OSR can not only be counted on the fingers of one's hands, but I daresay has as much to do with the rise of digital publishing and social media than anything else.
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inklesspen posted:Apparently this "valid query" has been crossposted to both rpg.net and therpgsite. (You can find the threads easily with Google; I'll not link them.) Okay, your sarcasm can be detected even through the Internet, but seriously, what other reason could they have to ask the same thing on multiple elfgame discussion platforms if not getting different perspectives?
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Jul 15, 2015 16:20
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paradoxGentleman posted:Okay, your sarcasm can be detected even through the Internet, but seriously, what other reason could they have to ask the same thing on multiple elfgame discussion platforms if not getting different perspectives? Spreading the person's name around to incite harassment or to draw down the ire of certain people listed in the post who could rile up their fans?
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Jul 15, 2015 16:25
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Getting adherents of Zak S and James Raggi to harass Shannon Appelcline would be my first guess. I'm actually pretty miffed that the guy threw in Qelong in with the rest of that.
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Maybe I am just stupid but I can't find this person's crossposts on RPGsite or rpg.net. I also see no names that could be doxxed as a consequence of the WotC post. paradoxGentleman fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Jul 15, 2015 |
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Jul 15, 2015 16:33
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paradoxGentleman posted:I also see no names that could be doxxed as a consequence of the WotC post. Uhhh quote:I'd love to know why in Shannon Appelcline's Platinum Appendix for Designers and Dragons, covering the years 2008 to present It's worded in such a way to immediately put Appelcline on the defensive and incite the fans of the creators who were "Missed".
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...I was looking for the other one, the one about kobolds. Disregard, I am an idiot.
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Kurieg posted:Uhhh Beat me to it. This is an attempt to stir up poo poo among OSR people and direct anger at Appelcine. I dunno how successful it will be, but it's a pretty blatant attempt to get him harassed. This is Internet 101 at this point.
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Jul 15, 2015 16:46
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It's funny because to come at this from another angle I honestly felt that Shannon Appelcine poo poo all over D&D 4e in the book. It does not get Nice Quotes. OSR doesn't deserve much of a mention because it's a bunch of throwbacks circle-jerking about the 80s and acting like wallowing in nostalgia is some kind of vital part of the RPG industry. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Jul 15, 2015 |
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Appelcline has responded, politely, at rpg.net:Appelcline posted:The OSR publishers started appearing in 2008 and 2009, and that was so near the event horizon of the modern day that it was impossible to note (yet) which were notable. I would indeed now mark Lamentations as an important publisher for the attention they've gotten in the industry and for their uniqueness ... but only after I managed to figure out what histories to write to feature OSRIC and Swords & Wizardry.
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Honestly I don't really understand what is being talked about here, but should we warn her about the possible impending shitstorm?
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Jul 15, 2015 16:55
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Whoa, pretty classy response from Appelcine there. That dude has way more patience with people than I do.
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Jul 15, 2015 16:57
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paradoxGentleman posted:Honestly I don't really understand what is being talked about here, but should we warn her about the possible impending shitstorm? Shannon owns rpg.net iirc and he is probably doing okay here.
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From a thread titled: "What's banned in your campaign?"quote:Vampires. after my friend was a vamp in 4e and became the murder hobo, literally evolved from good player, it was forever banned. Vampires have not shown up since then, in any form. Also since he was a warforged that got banned too. quote:Dragonborn (We still have Draconians in our world and the "Legend" is that there is only one left). quote:Races: Dragonborn, tieflings, half-elves, half-orcs (plus most sub-races). I do allow several of the UA and EE Companion races. quote:Flumps... They don't exist in my homebrew world... Can't even begin to explain my hate for the cheesy twats. quote:Shifters and Warforged. I never really liked the idea of the shifter; Lycanthropy isn't some kind of legitimate race, it's a curse, and there are no "half-lycanthropes". I dunno, I just dislike the race in general. And warforged are extremely cool; unfortunately, 1. My campaign is not set in Eberron and 2. there is no such thing as a "living construct" in my world, and a player race with construct immunities would just be impossible to balance in 5e. quote:I always ban guns. None of that flintlock bullshit or black powder grenades. If these medieval sword loving bastards want guns go play d20 modern. peace quote:Yep. First rule I had to learn outside of the rulebook when dad DM'd years ago was "gently caress the arquebus, you aren't using it." quote:This, pretty much. And yes, I know I know, your table, your game, your rules, you get to set the tone and the setting and you want to avoid the game going "gonzo", but it all sounds so boring to handwave away all of this stuff. And finally these last three: quote:Vow of Poverty Monk quote:Currently I've banned everything except 3.5 PHB and DM Guide for my players. quote:5e) Crossbow Fighter with Sharpshooter and the Crossbow Feat, to much damage output. My players saw how good one was and keep trying to bring one into the game. I warn them I will kill them.
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