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Beatstep Pro arrived today. Surprisingly solid - I was expecting plastic. I'm very excited.
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here's a thread on muffwiggler with a teardown of one of the new roland dsp modules 
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Jul 15, 2015 22:08
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Mr. Glass posted:here's a thread on muffwiggler with a teardown of one of the new roland dsp modules hahah wow 
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Jul 15, 2015 23:04
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Had a little flashback when I just saw a Yamaha CS1x for 110€ around here. Never owned one, but lusted over it so much way back when it was new, mainly because it was almost affordable. And then I realized how stupid it would be to buy it just for the nostalgia. It might have been different if any of the hardware synths I have bought had ever seen any use, but they're no more than trophies. Awarded for having more disposable income than when I was sixteen. Which is just sad. I think I have a defective  gland or something.
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Jul 15, 2015 23:06
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Mr. Glass posted:here's a thread on muffwiggler with a teardown of one of the new roland dsp modules
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Jul 15, 2015 23:12
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Startyde posted:Probably the best VA this side of 2k. Definitely the only one that can stand completely upright on its own. You mean like this?
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Jul 15, 2015 23:14
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Radiapathy posted:That was hilarious. And yikes at that soldering. I've tried to write four different posts now and none of them have been as funny as the raw concept/execution of these Roland euro modules.
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Jul 15, 2015 23:28
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Flipperwaldt posted:And then I realized how stupid it would be to buy it just for the nostalgia. Did you just admire it from afar or did you also test it in music stores? If you buy it, you'll zap through the factory presets, laugh at a few of them, realize that you can't really do anything with it so you put it in the closet because selling it again is  and go on with your life.It's a sign of maturity if you can play this scenario in your head and do not have to act it out. 
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Jul 15, 2015 23:33
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Laserjet 4P posted:Did you just admire it from afar or did you also test it in music stores? I kept flip-flopping, because midi was still that poo poo associated with 4MB soundfonts loaded in my soundcard, whereas I had this whole Impulse Tracker thing completely figured out already. In the end, when I finally got enough money, I spent it on a phone that had a display that could show no less than five lines of text at the same time! At least the synth would still have been worth 100€ now. Laserjet 4P posted:If you buy it, you'll zap through the factory presets, laugh at a few of them, realize that you can't really do anything with it so you put it in the closet because selling it again is I still enjoy loving around with softsynths though. Dealing with the specific impracticalities of hardware gave me a new appreciation for those. Actually, I might just hate cables.
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Jul 16, 2015 00:32
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Noxious posted:You mean like this?  
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Jul 16, 2015 00:37
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i think malekko has a hand in the roland series 500 modules so hopefully they won't be such a massive joke?
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Jul 16, 2015 04:32
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Scatterfold posted:I've tried to write four different posts now and none of them have been as funny as the raw concept/execution of these Roland euro modules. But like somebody asked ... how does it sound? I wouldn't be buying to admire the soldering.
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Jul 16, 2015 08:47
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0dB posted:But like somebody asked ... how does it sound? I wouldn't be buying to admire the soldering. The soldering I could take or leave; I was more thinking about the 450mA(?) of power it needs... or the wall wart. Even the full on Mutable Instruments stuff only needs a secondary +5V.
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Jul 16, 2015 08:50
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Scatterfold posted:The soldering I could take or leave; I was more thinking about the 450mA(?) of power it needs... or the wall wart. Even the full on Mutable Instruments stuff only needs a secondary +5V. That's a point. I guess I'm looking at it as a guitar pedal.
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Jul 16, 2015 08:51
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the analog four sounds kinda weenie  please tell me how to make my sounds more swole
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Jul 16, 2015 09:45
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Mr. Sharps posted:the analog four sounds kinda weenie Buy less weenie synths. Or learn how to patch your synth so it is not so weenie. Looking at the specs, osc sync and the built in overdrive combined should make some very unweenie patches.
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Jul 16, 2015 10:32
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Mr. Sharps posted:the analog four sounds kinda weenie The init patch is not great. It's got the FIL1 a little closed and its Q a little up for no good reason. Definitely make your own to start with, it's very easy to do on the A4 because of the 'sound' paradigm. When making swole patches mind the gain staging, it's very easy to go from beefy overdrive to buzziness that sort of overtakes the wall of sound. That is if you have all osc and subs on, OD on the filter it just sort of sounds like metal zones run into metal zones. Backing off and then increasing track volume will make rounder sounds. OSC1's feedback mode with Tri on OSC2 and is fat zone. Don't neglect that you can PWM all the waveforms, not just pulse. PWM's tri with sub on OSC2 so you can control the volume of the sub (subs not having dedicated volume is a glaring oversight imo) is great. Two(or more) voice unison with independent track sounds is great. Download the free patches and study the ones you like, biopads and synthrotron are the standouts I think. Negative feedback OVR values on FIL1 are a softer overdrive than positive. Some people suggest just ignoring FIL1, leaving it wide open and working on FIL2 as if it's a single SVF. Might not be a bad idea until you've come to grips with it. Use an LFO in one shot as an extremely fast AD envelope. Quick modulation of FRQ on top of regular ENVF is nice for adding a punchy ring at the attack of a sound. Really though? Use the CV track to drive a Pulse or Grenadier or euro beauty case. You can certainly get there with work but it's not at its heart a ripping monosynth. One monomachine voice could tear more cones than the A4's unison.
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Jul 16, 2015 12:15
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turn off analog drift on all the oscillators. some Swedish dummies decided to default it to on. it isn't a cure all but it helps make the a4 sound less like it's broken
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Jul 16, 2015 15:19
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Eurochat: ordered a Bubblesound VCA4p (not sure why these don't get more love - unreal amount of functionality in 8hp), Synthrotek DLY analog delay kit, and Synthrotek MST Dual AD/ASR envelope generator kit. These will displace a couple of existing modules (linear 4:1 mixer and expo VCA) but now I'll have lots more output flexibility, delay, and more modulation! 
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Jul 16, 2015 16:17
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Startyde posted:The init patch is not great. It's got the FIL1 a little closed and its Q a little up for no good reason. Definitely make your own to start with, it's very easy to do on the A4 because of the 'sound' paradigm. When making swole patches mind the gain staging, it's very easy to go from beefy overdrive to buzziness that sort of overtakes the wall of sound. That is if you have all osc and subs on, OD on the filter it just sort of sounds like metal zones run into metal zones. Backing off and then increasing track volume will make rounder sounds. OSC1's feedback mode with Tri on OSC2 and is fat zone. Don't neglect that you can PWM all the waveforms, not just pulse. PWM's tri with sub on OSC2 so you can control the volume of the sub (subs not having dedicated volume is a glaring oversight imo) is great. Two(or more) voice unison with independent track sounds is great. Download the free patches and study the ones you like, biopads and synthrotron are the standouts I think. These are all great suggestions. The truth is that the A4 is not a great sounding analog synth, but it DEFINES "greater than the sum of its parts." Consider the effects, parameter locks/sequencer, and FX automation track as integral parts of it and not "extras." Internal gain staging is the biggest liability - it's sucked in every single Elektron product they've ever made. Be extra conservative with levels through the entire signal chain of every patch.
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Jul 16, 2015 16:26
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sofullofhate posted:Eurochat: ordered a Bubblesound VCA4p (not sure why these don't get more love - unreal amount of functionality in 8hp), Synthrotek DLY analog delay kit, and Synthrotek MST Dual AD/ASR envelope generator kit. These will displace a couple of existing modules (linear 4:1 mixer and expo VCA) but now I'll have lots more output flexibility, delay, and more modulation! nice. i've been building a ton of euro kits lately-- there are so many great modules that are only available as kits. last night i put together a RYO Optodist and a manhattan CP3 mixer.
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Jul 16, 2015 16:26
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Mr. Glass posted:post pics of your case when you finish it! even if it doesn't end up being any cheaper you presumably learned something from building it, right? It's not particularly nice but here you go. Empty:  With modules:  I only have a single spot left on my power ribbon so I'm going to have to start looking at an actual power supply before I expand anymore (trying to get a z3000 fixed which will consume that last plug). If you're wondering why there's a gap at the top and bottom of the back it's two fold: 1) Ventilation for the inevitable on board psu and bus boards 2) So that when I drop a tiny screw in the case it's very easy to just shake it out the back.
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Jul 16, 2015 16:27
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Bolange posted:It's not particularly nice but here you go. Empty: that looks much nicer than you made it out to be! also you can daisy chain those flying bus cables as long as your power module provides enough juice for everything you're plugging into it.
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Jul 16, 2015 16:53
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Mr. Glass posted:that looks much nicer than you made it out to be! also you can daisy chain those flying bus cables as long as your power module provides enough juice for everything you're plugging into it. Thank you. Wood putty + spray paint can covers flaws decently. You should have seen the terrible terrible attempts to make a curved/angled 3 row configuration. This is the fallback design.
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Jul 16, 2015 16:58
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Does the 4p remove a channel from the mix out when you have something plugged into the individual out, or is the mix always all 4 channels (or whatever you set with jumpers or however it works)?
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Jul 16, 2015 17:17
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breaks posted:Does the 4p remove a channel from the mix out when you have something plugged into the individual out, or is the mix always all 4 channels (or whatever you set with jumpers or however it works)? Yes, if you patch out of a channel it is removed from the mixer. I often will use it to mix down audio paths while using 1-2 channels for cv manipulation and have never heard that bleed into the audio.
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Jul 16, 2015 17:22
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the vca4p looks really compact for how many channels you get (it's basically two µVCAs glued together, minus the dc offset attenuators). i'd probably pick one up if i were short on vcas, but i have a µVCA and a synthrotek VCA and i haven't found myself needing more (yet).
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Jul 16, 2015 17:43
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0dB posted:But like somebody asked ... how does it sound? I wouldn't be buying to admire the soldering. My concern about the soldering isn't about how it looks- it's about it being so sloppy that it could either a) not be that sturdy and breaks too soon or b) inadvertently melted other components of the board, giving you a unit that doesn't sound or function as intended. If they actually work and hold up after shipping/moving, then simply being ugly on the inside isn't a problem.
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Jul 16, 2015 18:11
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I've finally planned my first little modular audio mangler, thanks to some amazing guidance (and a massive email brain-dump) from a very knowledgable acquaintance. Now I get to sit around on Muff Wigglers and wait for someone to actually sell the modules I want. I figure only buying used might help cut down on the chances of my modular purchases spiraling out of control, but gently caress it I know I'm gonna end up putting a decent amount of money in a pile and start it on fire regardless.
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MockingQuantum posted:I've finally planned my first little modular audio mangler, thanks to some amazing guidance (and a massive email brain-dump) from a very knowledgable acquaintance. Now I get to sit around on Muff Wigglers and wait for someone to actually sell the modules I want. I figure only buying used might help cut down on the chances of my modular purchases spiraling out of control, but gently caress it I know I'm gonna end up putting a decent amount of money in a pile and start it on fire regardless. GAS is even worse with modular, so have fun 
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Jul 16, 2015 20:08
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Mr. Glass posted:the vca4p looks really compact for how many channels you get (it's basically two µVCAs glued together, minus the dc offset attenuators). i'd probably pick one up if i were short on vcas, but i have a µVCA and a synthrotek VCA and i haven't found myself needing more (yet). Bolange posted:Yes, if you patch out of a channel it is removed from the mixer. I often will use it to mix down audio paths while using 1-2 channels for cv manipulation and have never heard that bleed into the audio. These are the reasons I bought it - for output it replaces at least three modules (2x VCA + 1x mixer), and I only had a pair of VCAs - one expo and one linear. Given the number of noisemakers in my rig, that was too few. Mr. Glass, tell me about how you like the Intellijel I/O units. I'm would love to be able to record my modular from +4/-10dBu rather than using an instrument input and getting a tonne of noise.
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Jul 16, 2015 20:10
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sofullofhate posted:Mr. Glass, tell me about how you like the Intellijel I/O units. I'm would love to be able to record my modular from +4/-10dBu rather than using an instrument input and getting a tonne of noise. If you're referring to the modular I posted a few comments above, I can't really say. I literally just installed when moving to this case.
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Jul 16, 2015 20:54
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yeah i don't have the intellijel output module. i've got the pittsburgh modular one and it seems to work fine, not sure what more you'd want from a glorified attenuator. since we're doing eurorackchat, everyone post pictures of your setups! here's mine. it's not currently arranged like this because i'm still working on my 12U case. i also have a MI Elements preordered that will necessitate removal of a few of the lesser-used modules. 
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Jul 16, 2015 21:00
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That's a pretty nice collection of modules, Mr Glass. How are you powering it?
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Jul 16, 2015 21:16
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i'm using 2 of the 4ms row power module (in the two middle rows on the left) for power. each one provides 1.5A of +12v, and the 40 provides a little more juice on the -12v and +5v rails than the 30 (but those usually aren't the constraining factor when it comes to power). you can daisy chain both of them off of a 90W laptop power brick. http://www.4mspedals.com/rowpow.php
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Jul 16, 2015 21:45
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Whoops, yeah, sorry. Bolange, I meant yours.  This'll be mine once I get / build the new modules: 
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Jul 16, 2015 23:42
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 But on the plus side my brother and I can jam together and not have to fight over the same keyboard. 
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Jul 16, 2015 23:49
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Played a little with my A4 on my lunch break, Tri with pulse width static ~15-20, OSC2 tuned -12 set to off with its sub on, volume to taste, AM1 on, retrig on. Two voice unison with detune at 5 and stereo spread 40, hmm. Love that PW on the tri.Mr. Glass posted:yeah i don't have the intellijel output module. i've got the pittsburgh modular one and it seems to work fine, not sure what more you'd want from a glorified attenuator. Here's my money pit  I'm very happy with it. Going to swap out the SuperVCO for an A-110-2. Would like to get another clock divider in there, the twiggy ring mod and asys synthi filter but if I never got another module I'd be OK. Do wish I either got wider cases or the doepfer 9U instead of 6. My aim is still to keep it man portable though, I'm trying to resist going any bigger than this.  
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Jul 16, 2015 23:54
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micron photographed in front of large photos of famous landmarks, like that garden gnome in amelie
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Startyde posted:Here's my money pit That looks like a pretty interesting keyboard. Details?
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