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HappyHippo posted:And talking about him is the only way they get in the news. Or to him.
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JT Jag posted:She's actually just generally super-pro Israel, more than the average Dem I don't think she's more pro-Israel than Bernie Sanders or any of the Republicans though. And actually, if she's so pro-Israel why'd Obama have such rocky relationship with them when she was Secretary of State for the first half of his administration?
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Nuclearmonkee posted:"This wouldn't have happened if those marines had guns." Yessssss. Considering they it was basically a drive-by, the statement is even more dumb. Then again, I fully expect the GOP candidates to endorse machine gun nests in recruitment offices along with open pointing. greatn posted:The median dem is also super pro Israel, even though there a large continent of Democrats who don't like them that much.
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The median dem is also super pro Israel, even though there a large continent of Democrats who don't like them that much.
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Democrazy posted:Hot take: Trump is the id of the white working class American in the same mold as George Wallace. His "strategy" (does he have a strategy?) for electoral success is to gin up support among white working class voters who are being hurt by neo-liberalism but otherwise are too racist and reactionary to vote Democratic. He has the theatrical stylings of a George Wallace with the savvy to know how to keep in the news. Anti-free trade, nativism, "Bomb everyone" is classic popular demagoguery. Much like George Wallace, if he wants to hang around with this and be serious, I think he can find a steady base and make trouble for Rubio, Walker or Bush. Can we just skip forward to the part where he gets shot and then becomes a good person?
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Jul 17, 2015 17:21
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McDowell posted:If you think congress was 'tricked' into voting for the Iraq war I've got a New American Century to sell ya. This is from a teensy while back but I think Biden was tricked into it, though not Congress as a whole. If not, he certainly isn't for it now. 
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Kohl's PAC confirmed he can get quite a lot of khakis from that. Best part is that he can go into a Kohl's any time any day now anywhere in Wisconsin considering nobody has day offs now~
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Three Olives posted:I feel weird asking this question but has Trump effectively just sucked all the air out of the GOP primary? I mean I follow politics fairly closely and I can't think of anything that the Not Trumps are talking about. Trump might be bad for the party, but he's good for Bush (or possibly Walker or Rubio) since by taking up all that oxygen he's preventing any of the potential challengers hanging out at 5% from catching fire with the base. Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, for example, would both depend on some kind of media firestorm hyping them up as the outsider challenger to the establishment pick, and neither of them can possibly out-outsider Trump. I suppose if we're in for another primary where a carousel of not-frontrunners cycle in and out of the top spot before the GOP settles, Trump might be doing them a favor for taking the first round so they don't peak too early, but that'll probably happen to them either way.
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Maybe Scott is just confused and thinks Kohl's dick is actually a Koch dick.
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The Nastier Nate posted:I've always been annoyed with politicians (mostly republicans, but democrats too) who will go to a synagogue or Jewish community center, say how good they are on Israel and expect the votes to come rolling in. I assume many Hispanic communities feel the same about immigration...yes it's an important issue, but I think most members of those communities would appreciate more what a politician can do for them, in this country, now. From my own experience, you're an outlier there. Every jewish person I know over the age of 40 is exactly that - Israel is the Holy Land and must be protected at any cost. Even ones who have never even visited or have family members there. In the younger demographic, there's more of an attitude split but there's still a decent number of those true Zionists there. You might not notice the folks who are as I've found (aside from Facebook, where they never shut up) it isn't brought up much. When it is, the reactions I find are often shock that anyone would dare to not give complete support to Israel in everything forever. There's definetly a very significant portion of the jewish community where it's not just a big deal, it's THE deal. I know lifelong Democratic voters who've sworn to never support the party again because Bibi doesn't like Obama.
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Could Trump be considered a good thing for the rest because it shifts media attention away from, say, Bush putting his foot in his mouth again?
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Tempest_56 posted:From my own experience, you're an outlier there. Every jewish person I know over the age of 40 is exactly that - Israel is the Holy Land and must be protected at any cost. Even ones who have never even visited or have family members there. In the younger demographic, there's more of an attitude split but there's still a decent number of those true Zionists there. You might not notice the folks who are as I've found (aside from Facebook, where they never shut up) it isn't brought up much. When it is, the reactions I find are often shock that anyone would dare to not give complete support to Israel in everything forever. There's definetly a very significant portion of the jewish community where it's not just a big deal, it's THE deal. I know lifelong Democratic voters who've sworn to never support the party again because Bibi doesn't like Obama. This. I have a large Jewish extended family and this is my experience. At family gatherings the young are the ones who think Israel is a horrible apartheid state while the old ones (and very religious young) are all  ISRAEL GOOD PROTECT AT ALL COSTS
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:
Joke's on them. Trump can build the yoojest, classiest news website in the world to cover his candidacy better than any third-rate foreigner-created tabloid. And the first article might be to question how many interns Ariana raped.
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Feather posted:Joke's on them. Trump can build the yoojest, classiest news website in the world to cover his candidacy better than any third-rate foreigner-created tabloid. And the first article might be to question how many interns Ariana raped. And it'd only cost three dollars
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gradenko_2000 posted:Could Trump be considered a good thing for the rest because it shifts media attention away from, say, Bush putting his foot in his mouth again? Along with preventing anyone else from gaining momentum to challenge Bush. So he's good for Bush, likely bad for everyone else. Of course, if/when his candidacy tanks will be the deciding bit. If he burns out within a month (brightest flame burns quickest!) then it'll be a black eye for the party but the clown car will roll on. If he makes it to november/december, then he'll probably have Norquisted the other non-Bush candidates and drowned their chances.
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Scott Walker reminds me of the "Area Man" that the Onion kept using to write articles at one point: http://www.theonion.com/article/area-man-confounded-by-buffet-procedure-1609 http://www.theonion.com/article/area-man-to-hang-out-at-mcdonalds-for-20-minutes-u-2789
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Raskolnikov38 posted:look buddy if you can't figure out super delegate apportionment at a glance I dunno what to tell ya Super delegate apportionment is really easy because they are all unpledged PLEOs. All you have to do is count the endorsements. That's why Hillary is currently leading the Democratic field with 121 delegates (88 House Reps, 27 Senators, 4 Governors, 1 ex-DNC chairman, 1 ex-President) to none for anyone else.
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richardfun posted:Who the hell goes somewhere at 7am to see a politician?? olds
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OAquinas posted:Along with preventing anyone else from gaining momentum to challenge Bush. So he's good for Bush, likely bad for everyone else. If he makes it to November/December and he's still polling neck-and-neck with first I'd have to assume it'd be the not-Bush candidates dropping out and Trump reaping the benefits. We are not so lucky to live in the world where the field whittles to Rubio, Bush and Walker splitting the "sane" Republican votes and Trump leading the pack with every ounce of crazy.
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I've seen Scott Brown meet with a lot of the GOP candidates. Is he trying for VP or something.
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richardfun posted:Who the hell goes somewhere at 7am to see a politician?? Welcome to New Hampshire.
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Tempest_56 posted:From my own experience, you're an outlier there. Every jewish person I know over the age of 40 is exactly that - Israel is the Holy Land and must be protected at any cost. Even ones who have never even visited or have family members there. In the younger demographic, there's more of an attitude split but there's still a decent number of those true Zionists there. You might not notice the folks who are as I've found (aside from Facebook, where they never shut up) it isn't brought up much. When it is, the reactions I find are often shock that anyone would dare to not give complete support to Israel in everything forever. There's definetly a very significant portion of the jewish community where it's not just a big deal, it's THE deal. I know lifelong Democratic voters who've sworn to never support the party again because Bibi doesn't like Obama. My grandpa was a rabbi, some of his cousins that never got out of Poland/Lithuania when his side of the family did got killed in the Holocaust, and the congregation he led, which was mostly quite old Jews, had a strong stance on raising money for the Palestinians around the high holy days and passover. Because they saw Israel's treatment of the Palestinians as just like the Nazis did to their own family members starting in the late 70s.
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Skwirl posted:You don't like Football? I don't think you should be allowed to vote if you don't like Football. He's right about July though, woof.
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Tigntink posted:If for some reason military was allowed to carry regularly on base again (other than MPs) we'd probably see a pretty big bump in suicides and then they'd just handwave that. Disillusioned soldiers sitting around with guns is pretty much the worst. My sister and brother are both long time military and they've gone through some pretty heavy depression after coming back from iraq and afganistan. quote:US military brass have been spending a lot of time and money looking at how best to reduce the suicide rate among US troops, which has skyrocketed in recent years. They have concluded that it's false to assume that people intent on killing themselves will find a way to do it even if they can't get a gun. In a report to Congress in July, the Military Suicide Research Consortium noted that "Studies demonstrate that method substitution is rare." http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/03/suicides-vs-handgun-background-checks
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Oh, and also hoping that more no content posters don't start coming in here due to the forum change.
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Massasoit posted:I've seen Scott Brown meet with a lot of the GOP candidates. Is he trying for VP or something. It's part of the Bqhatevwr Tour 2016.
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How come people keep posting the work yooj or yoog in this forum? It's crypto admin sass isn't it. I'm gonna get em.
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Shageletic posted:Oh, and also hoping that more no content posters don't start coming in here due to the forum change. I'm just happy that the Hillary/Bernie purity rundown finally has its own boring thread.
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Ralp posted:How come people keep posting the work yooj or yoog in this forum? It's crypto admin sass isn't it. I'm gonna get em. It's a reference to how Donald Trump pronounces "huge".
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Alter Ego posted:It's a reference to how Donald Trump pronounces "huge". It's sass ban everyone rules posted:Don't post like a loving moron. Posting like trump violates im pretty sure
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Shageletic posted:Oh, and also hoping that more no content posters don't start coming in here due to the forum change. On the plus side, the forum change coincided with the first acceptance of one of my title suggestions.  I am admittedly regretting leaving out the capitalization, but maybe it fits the new subforum better.
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So I'm bored at work and loving around with 270towin. This is a map of everything that, in 2012, was won by 10%+. Dems lead it by 37 EVs. This is a map of what was won by 7%+. Notable since it assigns 5 10+ EV states. Dems still lead, now by 26 EVs. This is that same map again, this time for wins 5%+. Anything from this point less, the Dems win. Meaning the GOP can take Florida, Ohio, Virginia and North Carolina (ie every 'swing' state) and they still lose. This is a slightly different map - it looks at historical voting records. It gives to each party any state that's gone for them in at least five of the last six elections (six picked mostly because Reagan/Mondale throws a lot of things off if you go further back). I think it's more accurate as (for example) despite North Carolina being a close vote in 2012, it's only gone D twice in the last forty years and seeing it switch sides isn't that likely. Dems lead this map by a whopping 99 EVs. So we tweak the two together to reflect the 2012 results and the historical trends and we get this. All the states assigned that were either won by 7%+ in the last election or have distinctly favored one party over the other in recent history. Dems advantage, 51 EVs, five states still up in the air. This map is probably fairly accurate to our 2016 end results and shows that the GOP's got a pretty big hole to dig out of - they need to win Ohio, Virginia, Florida AND either Colorado or Nevada. A 7% swing is probably more than the current Republican field can honestly get - complain about Clinton all you want, but Hillary's strong enough to eat most of the GOP field for breakfast. Even Bernie in the least favorable light is probably capable of keeping it to no worse than a 10% swing against most of the potential opponents. Folks think this is a fairly accurate perspective this early in the campaign?
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