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There is very little value in Fantastic Four unless you can get someone who has a really strong creative drive and is allowed to go nuts with it. In every other case you get something exceedingly dull and mundane by superhero standards, which is what all the movies turned out to be, and most of the comic runs quite frankly. Hickman did such a good job with his run that no one could follow his act and now they don't even make FF comics anymore. Fox keeps trying to retain the license but really this is never going to be a huge moneymaker the way they're handling it, they might as well let it go back to Marvel like Punisher and Daredevil.
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kiimo posted:I never read the Fantastic Four comic books, so excuse me if this sounds naiive but is it just me or is that whole series just plain old bad? I watched the first one and it sucked and this one looks ten times worse. I'm kind of thinking the only good thing to come out of FF is a couple episodes of Venture Bros. The FF comics were a middle of the road Kirby-Lee joint, not the best they did and not the worst. It was billed as "The World's Most Popular Comic Magazine" despite playing runner-up to a lot of other books, but there were quite a few memorable moments in the first 100 issues art/story-wise and, however over the top or goofy, the book served as a bridge between Marvel earth storylines and Marvel cosmic storylines, many of which are totally awesome (Doom, Adam Warlock, Galactus, Mole Man, The Watcher, Silver Surfer!). Also, they had a lot of cool crossovers with Dare Devil, which was another well-written out of the way title. Not that FF is the greatest or anything, but the first 2 movies definitely didn't do it any justice. I'm real tired of comic book movies, but hopefully I can at least look forward to The Thing vs The Hulk. From going through my dad's comic collection when I was little these are the issues I remember most, and some of the art is just awesome: http://www.comicvine.com/fantastic-four-60-the-peril-and-the-power/4000-9226/ http://www.comicvine.com/fantastic-four-43-lo-there-shall-be-an-ending/4000-8103/ http://www.comicvine.com/fantastic-four-48-the-coming-of-galactus/4000-8428/ http://www.comicvine.com/fantastic-four-68-his-mission-destroy-the-fantasti/4000-9754/ http://www.comicvine.com/fantastic-four-51-this-manthis-monster/4000-8613/ http://www.comicvine.com/fantastic-four-79-this-monster-forever/4000-136906/ http://www.comicvine.com/fantastic-four-39-a-blind-man-shall-lead-them/4000-7837/ http://www.comicvine.com/fantastic-four-29-it-started-on-yancy-street/4000-7256/ http://www.comicvine.com/fantastic-four-8-prisoners-of-the-puppet-master/4000-6158/ Also, gotta love "The Hate Monger"
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Jul 15, 2015 03:39
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Ignoring the historical importance of the Fantastic Four, the thing that makes them worthwhile is their unashamed willingness to go for the big crazy concepts that sometimes don't work. The problem is that those big crazy concepts involve a visual fidelity that is simply expensive as all hell, I doubt even Marvel Studios would give the FF the money it'd need to make silly-but-fun poo poo like Atlantis, The Negative Zone, Latveria, the Microverse, Galactus, and all the other weird places the FF love to go to look worthwhile. second-hand smegma posted:hopefully I can at least look forward to The Thing vs The Hulk. Ain't happening as long as this flick makes money. Fox has made it very clear through action they want their Fantastic Four franchises to be as cheap as possible so they make a modest profit while keeping money out of Marvel's hands, and for all its detriments the movie coming out soon will probably do that.
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Jul 15, 2015 04:17
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computer parts posted:This post is funny in light of all of that previous bitching about trailers revealing too much. But that's not what I'm talking about. The point of a teaser trailer is to give you the general idea of the world. The point of a theatrical trailer is to give you an understanding of what you're actually getting into. I don't want the entire plot spelled out, I'm just confused why 3 theatrical trailers in I still have no idea who Doom is, how he got involved, what he's up to, why the 4 are against it, what they're doing to stop it, or what's impeding them from stopping it. Unless the movie is 100% origin story, I have no idea why I'm supposed to care about any of this.
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Jul 15, 2015 06:55
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feedmyleg posted:But that's not what I'm talking about. The point of a teaser trailer is to give you the general idea of the world. The point of a theatrical trailer is to give you an understanding of what you're actually getting into. I don't want the entire plot spelled out, I'm just confused why 3 theatrical trailers in I still have no idea who Doom is, how he got involved, what he's up to, why the 4 are against it, what they're doing to stop it, or what's impeding them from stopping it. Doom looks (at least judging by the trailers) to be a military guy who replicates the experiment and goes evil because he's the bad guy. In other words, just like the bad guy from the Hulk film. I know there were some rumors about him being a hacker or whatever but at least based on this trailer it gives you an indication of some sort of plot.
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Jul 15, 2015 07:17
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Knowing who plays him (Toby Kebbell) he's appeared pre-Doom in other trailers and it looks like he's a colleague at wherever it is Reed and co are doing their research.
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Jul 15, 2015 12:14
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRnhEjP3R-c I like Tina Fey and Amy Poehler but this looks so bad.
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Jul 15, 2015 19:00
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gmq posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRnhEjP3R-c This looks like a female version of Stepbrothers. I suppose only time will tell if they get the weird-rear end sense of humor that movie had.
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Jul 15, 2015 20:34
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The new Iñárritu film with DiCaprio and Tom Hardy. I was in even before the trailer. Now I am even inner. drat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uniySb_Stiw
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Jul 17, 2015 16:42
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Kush posted:The new Iñárritu film with DiCaprio and Tom Hardy. I was in even before the trailer. Now I am even inner. drat. I was really hoping someone was talking about this movie here. That trailer was fantastic. Really excited for this film, and really excited for another movie DiCaprio will not win an Oscar for. This film was supposedly shot entirely in natural light, and that is why it has its gritty look.
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Jul 17, 2015 16:53
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Wow that's a great trailer, beautiful images. Extremely My poo poo.
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Jul 17, 2015 16:57
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Kush posted:The new Iñárritu film with DiCaprio and Tom Hardy. I was in even before the trailer. Now I am even inner. drat. This is a great trailer. It's intense as hell and gets me very interested in the movie, and yet I have absolutely no idea what it's supposed to be about. Bravo.
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Jul 17, 2015 16:57
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Man, those wide angle slow pans looks loving fantastic. I love his style. It's also about time we got a legit movie about trappers and the frontier.
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Jul 17, 2015 16:59
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Kush posted:The new Iñárritu film with DiCaprio and Tom Hardy. I was in even before the trailer. Now I am even inner. drat. Looks amazing. Haven't been excited for an Inarritu film in a while, but I guess the Birdman win gave him some confidence.
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Jul 17, 2015 17:02
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I said come in! posted:I was really hoping someone was talking about this movie here. That trailer was fantastic. Really excited for this film, and really excited for another movie DiCaprio will not win an Oscar for. Yeah it really has a unique look. I love the opening shot where you can't really separate the snowy ground from the sky and it looks like this massive whiteness with a mountain hovering in the air. Beautiful.
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Jul 17, 2015 17:03
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Kush posted:Yeah it really has a unique look. I love the opening shot where you can't really separate the snowy ground from the sky and it looks like this massive whiteness with a mountain hovering in the air. Beautiful. Having lived in a mountain town 7500 feet up, this is what it really looks like, so it was great seeing that. Very realistic look to the wilderness that movies never try to capture.
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Jul 17, 2015 17:05
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Kush posted:The new Iñárritu film with DiCaprio and Tom Hardy. I was in even before the trailer. Now I am even inner. drat. I'm getting serious Blood Meridian vibes from this. Looks great.
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Jul 17, 2015 17:08
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MeinPanzer posted:I'm getting serious Blood Meridian vibes from this. Looks great. Cormac McCarthy meets Terrence Malick. I like the natural light and confident camera sweeps here; I wonder who Inarritu's DP is for this. I said come in! posted:Really excited for this film, and really excited for another movie DiCaprio will not win an Oscar for. The last of the great over-actors.
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Jul 17, 2015 17:20
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I browsed the imdb page for this and Javier Botet is in it, the guy who plays tall skinny weird hosed up things in horror movies like [Rec] and Mama.second-hand smegma posted:I like the natural light and confident camera sweeps here; I wonder who Inarritu's DP is for this. imdb says that he's working with Lubezki again.
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Jul 17, 2015 17:32
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Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi posted:This is a great trailer. It's intense as hell and gets me very interested in the movie, and yet I have absolutely no idea what it's supposed to be about. The true story is crazy enough that they might just adapt it without taking many liberties at all.
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Jul 17, 2015 17:33
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The MSJ posted:Here's another one. Hollismason posted:Why do they keep loving up Doom? They are straight up adapting the Ultimate FF not the regular FF which is all about family, exploring poo poo and science for the version where Reed and Sue never really get together, Reed is a huge rear end in a top hat to everyone and gives not fucks and Doom sucks.
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Jul 17, 2015 17:34
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computer parts posted:The true story is crazy enough that they might just adapt it without taking many liberties at all. Holy poo poo that sounds insane.
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Jul 17, 2015 17:35
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Ysecond-hand smegma posted:Looks amazing. Haven't been excited for an Inarritu film in a while, but I guess the Birdman win gave him some confidence. So pumped for this especially since I'm pretty familiar with the true story that it's loosely based on and it should be awesome
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Jul 17, 2015 17:43
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Kush posted:The new Iñárritu film with DiCaprio and Tom Hardy. I was in even before the trailer. Now I am even inner. drat. I really hope this is good because Iñárritu and Lubezki were insane, abusive tyrants to the crew and they reportedly went 3 months and 50-ish million over budget waiting for the perfect natural light and snow. It would be a shame if all that hard work and pain didn't translate into an amazing film.
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Jul 17, 2015 17:49
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Lubezki is the two-time defending Best Cinematography winner (Gravity, Birdman), and based on that trailer he may get the threepeat.
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Jul 17, 2015 17:59
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MeinPanzer posted:I'm getting serious Blood Meridian vibes from this. Looks great. Yes! I thought Blood Meridian was suppose to be made into a movie, but it doesnt seem like that will happen at this point. This film will have to do and it will do nicely. Also, this movie is apparently using new camera technology?
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Jul 17, 2015 18:37
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The low, wide angle shots definitely reminds me of Malick, not to mention that sort of soft breath narration he's been doing since...Thin Red Line? Beautiful trailer, but man I get the feeling that is going to be one brutal movie to sit through.
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Jul 17, 2015 19:27
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It really makes me uncomfortable living in a world where Brett Ratner continues to inexplicably produce good movies. I guess it's a numbers game, produce enough and some of them will be good. Sixteen productions in the last year. He might be the new Joel Silver.
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Jul 17, 2015 20:19
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Kush posted:The new Iñárritu film with DiCaprio and Tom Hardy. I was in even before the trailer. Now I am even inner. drat. I read an article about this trailer that said, in the first sentence, "This movie could make or break DiCaprio's Career" I didn't get any farther than that. Movie looks great though
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Jul 17, 2015 21:07
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bows1 posted:I read an article about this trailer that said, in the first sentence, "This movie could make or break DiCaprio's Career" Hahaha what? I would think Leo's pretty well established now.
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Jul 17, 2015 21:12
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Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi posted:Hahaha what? I would think Leo's pretty well established now. He's been established since Critters 3.
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Jul 17, 2015 21:21
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I said come in! posted:Also, this movie is apparently using new camera technology? New Alexa 65, with Hasselblad lenses. 65mm sensor, but small enough to be handheld, paired with some incredible glass. And the best living cinematographer.
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Jul 18, 2015 02:09
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Dillbag posted:I really hope this is good because Iñárritu and Lubezki were insane, abusive tyrants to the crew and they reportedly went 3 months and 50-ish million over budget waiting for the perfect natural light and snow. It would be a shame if all that hard work and pain didn't translate into an amazing film. Any links to this? Trying google fu and can't find anything. It does look gorgeous but very clean, I wouldn't mind some grit considering the subject matter.
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Jul 18, 2015 02:48
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Lubezki's natural light shoots are well known to be really rough on the crew, because they're natural light shoots and he's a perfectionist. Means long, irregular, and exhausting hours. Tree of Life was pretty famously difficult on its camera crew, and that wasn't even in the wilderness. Ridley Scott on his commentary for the Duelists, talks about how he misses shooting like that. He was able to do it on that film because he was co-dp, camera operator, art designer, and director, and could just get up and exhaust himself and two willing lead men. But once he moved on to larger films it was impossible, because asking large union crews to work like that would rapidly paint you as the devil. He kind of got that reputation anyway with Blade Runner's grilling night shoots, funny enough.
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Jul 18, 2015 03:01
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Bugblatter posted:New Alexa 65, with Hasselblad lenses. 65mm sensor, but small enough to be handheld, paired with some incredible glass. And the best living cinematographer. Jesus Christ, you're not kidding when you say small: 
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Jul 18, 2015 03:56
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I would love an Arri camera but they are so expensive and you generally can't buy them. The Ursa Mini will be the next hopefully great thing in affordable film making. Can the human eye really tell the difference between 4 and 6k? Now that there is 8k coming out in certain cameras, at which point do they stop; or does it go on forever? Also, no one really can afford an Arri camera to out right buy, they are really really expensive
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Jul 18, 2015 04:46
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Kush posted:The new Iñárritu film with DiCaprio and Tom Hardy. I was in even before the trailer. Now I am even inner. drat.  I have to see this.
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Jul 18, 2015 05:02
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Death By The Blues posted:Any links to this? Trying google fu and can't find anything. It does look gorgeous but very clean, I wouldn't mind some grit considering the subject matter. I don't think there's been any press, but everything I've heard was directly from a number of friends and ex-coworkers who worked on the movie in Alberta. I can't 100% verify the budget overrun, but from the stories I was told I am confident they were huge cocks.
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Jul 18, 2015 05:09
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:Jesus Christ. I didn't care for Birdman, but the cinematography in this is stunning Imo Birdman was great but what I really like about this trailer is how the sun blinds you. It never does that in movies, usually,.
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Dillbag posted:I don't think there's been any press, but everything I've heard was directly from a number of friends and ex-coworkers who worked on the movie in Alberta. I can't 100% verify the budget overrun, but from the stories I was told I am confident they were huge cocks. See this is a thing where as a film maker in previous generations it was easier to get away of this, because of the lack of social media. Is it hard to be a true film maker cause of word spreading, so you become more aware and less of a perfectionist. If Kubrick was a film maker now and people kept bitching online about how many takes he took, Kubrick became aware and self conscious. This is very tricky.
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