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ilifinicus posted:you're supposed to share the damage with the other tank until it splits, then you tank them in opposite directions so both tanks don't get hit by the stacks It's easier just to have everyone stack in the middle and split it through the whole party.
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It's not because it will interrupt casts which drops DPS and healing.
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Also I don't really agree with Willias but an amusing anecdote: Bahamut killed our tank before the first Megaflare exactly once - he was running STR accessories, but had a pre-Stoneskin, a pre-Adlo and Shield Oath. He never came within 2,000 HP of that happening again, and we still have no idea why.
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Niton posted:Also I don't really agree with Willias but an amusing anecdote: I survived a Flatten > 3x Flare Breath with exactly 37 HP once. We also killed Bahamut on that attempt. Not saying that's a good reason to wear any particular kind of gear because that's basically RNG saving me, but that stupid poo poo happens sometimes.
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Jul 19, 2015 21:14
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Niton posted:Also I don't really agree with Willias but an amusing anecdote: Someone who was targeted for the damage split might've clipped him unless you guys grouped up far from bahamut? 
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Eej posted:It's not because it will interrupt casts which drops DPS and healing. I haven't heard anyone complain of this before, but I've only been playing tank lately. Can anyone confirm that this happens?
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Willias posted:yes, because after reading a guide and watching a video on youtube, i know exactly how every mechanic is going to play out and how every single one of my party members is going to react to every single mechanic My point is that going into an instance, you generally know approximately how much damage you'll be taking. If you look up a guide and go "oh, the tank buster hits for 10k and the autos hit for ~3k" then you know you can easily get away with 15k. You don't need 22k hp or whatever the max vit warriors are at because that extra 5-6k hp is not going to benefit you at all compared to an extra 20% dps. ^ getting hit with damage can cancel casts, I'm not sure if there's any mechanics to it beyond a random chance. It can be super frustrating though.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Someone who was targeted for the damage split might've clipped him unless you guys grouped up far from bahamut? It didn't even get to that - the opening 3 autos + breath just floored him, and it was never even remotely close since then. bonewitch posted:My point is that going into an instance, you generally know approximately how much damage you'll be taking. If you look up a guide and go "oh, the tank buster hits for 10k and the autos hit for ~3k" then you know you can easily get away with 15k. You don't need 22k hp or whatever the max vit warriors are at because that extra 5-6k hp is not going to benefit you at all compared to an extra 20% dps. Yeah this is getting almost into old school WoW style TTL calculations - you pick a level of HP that gives you the desired result (4HKO/5HKO) whatever, and gear around wanting exactly that much HP at minimum. Niton fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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Niton posted:It didn't even get to that - the opening 3 autos + breath just floored him, and it was never even remotely close since then. Could have been server lag/input lag making his cooldowns slight late
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So I just got into Alexander for the first time and holy moly that boss music 
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Niton posted:It didn't even get to that - the opening 3 autos + breath just floored him, and it was never even remotely close since then. I generally eyeball it tankbuster + auto + 2k. That means I can take tankbuster + two autos (approx) or tankbuster and a crit auto without any shielding, and generally gives me time to holmgang/IB/Thrill if for some reason I'm not getting healed right away. I've totally seen top-level groups do poo poo like have their warrior at sub-tankbuster HP just to maximize DPS though, because they have that much faith in their healers to shield them.
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Klades posted:I haven't heard anyone complain of this before, but I've only been playing tank lately. Can anyone confirm that this happens? That damage split between 8 people doesn't feel high enough to me, for it to cause interrupts, tbh.
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Ravana's Blinding Blade will interrupt all the time. So will the A3 Glove Slap.
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hobbesmaster posted:I'm not sure what to think about this until Belzac weighs in. 
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Wow. I can see why people say "No really, go into reactor blind". That was amazing.  Also all that ending stuff huh?  Not going to talk about it because hey, nothing i got to say will add a new perspective. Goddamn this game is so good.
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What hairstyle is that and where do I unlock it? (SE, give me some god drat long hair already)
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Truga posted:What hairstyle is that and where do I unlock it? 
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Mr. Nice! posted:It's easier just to have everyone stack in the middle and split it through the whole party. I love the part when they split and the OT who never paid attention just keeps his facing the raid. The OT remark is always "But I have full vit gear!".
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Sorry, how does one tell if you are in DF with a bot? I had a Brayflox NM run yesterday where we had a PLD who did not use Shield Throw to pull (He was literally running in and using flash), was comboing Riot Blade, and did not acknowledge chat at all. We finally had enough by the third boss and kicked him.
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Unlucky7 posted:Sorry, how does one tell if you are in DF with a bot? I had a Brayflox NM run yesterday where we had a PLD who did not use Shield Throw to pull (He was literally running in and using flash), was comboing Riot Blade, and did not acknowledge chat at all. We finally had enough by the third boss and kicked him. The telltale sign for the bot tank i got in Tam Tara: he ran against the walls for about 15 seconds after every pull.
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Truga posted:What hairstyle is that and where do I unlock it? Long hair would be pointless because even short hair clips through absolutely everything.
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Ways to find out if your tank is a bot: are they wearing Vit gear? If so, they're a bot.
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Literally worst girl from worst anime
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Unlucky7 posted:Sorry, how does one tell if you are in DF with a bot? I had a Brayflox NM run yesterday where we had a PLD who did not use Shield Throw to pull (He was literally running in and using flash), was comboing Riot Blade, and did not acknowledge chat at all. We finally had enough by the third boss and kicked him. I had two archer bots in tam-tara the other day. They were running ahead, moving erratically (randomly taking a couple steps backwards, stuttering back and forth during combat), and didn't acknowledge the chat, including the part where we accused them of being bots. Sometimes their pathfinding would gently caress up too and they'd run into walls.
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Truga posted:What hairstyle is that and where do I unlock it? Freak Futanari posted:Long hair would be pointless because even short hair clips through absolutely everything. From some comments the art team's made in certain places (like the art books), this is the reason - super long hair is a technical nightmare on multiple levels in the current engine, and only NPCs like Iceheart get such hair because the art team can exert far more control over the hair per-scene, compared to a player's hair which has to work everywhere and ideally clip as little as possible. (Longer hair would be cool)
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Chyea posted:Literally worst girl from worst anime yeah just like belzac
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bonewitch posted:^ getting hit with damage can cancel casts, I'm not sure if there's any mechanics to it beyond a random chance. It can be super frustrating though. Well I mean, some damage always interrupts, some damage seems to never interrupt, and some damage interrupts sometimes (which is annoying) I didn't know if it was an actual mechanics feature that the slaps caused interrupts, or if it was related to the damage level or something.
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SpaceDrake posted:From some comments the art team's made in certain places (like the art books), this is the reason - super long hair is a technical nightmare on multiple levels in the current engine, and only NPCs like Iceheart get such hair because the art team can exert far more control over the hair per-scene, compared to a player's hair which has to work everywhere and ideally clip as little as possible. Klades posted:Well I mean, some damage always interrupts, some damage seems to never interrupt, and some damage interrupts sometimes (which is annoying) As far as I know it's a chance on taking damage, with that chance increasing as it approaches a certain percent of your Max HP. Some abilities might have modifiers on that since Clemency seems rather hard to interrupt but it's entirely likely that it's just the formula working normally and bosses just don't hit hard enough for the chance to stop it. Alexander bosses do though. That's the only time I notice my Clemency's getting interrupted.
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Mordiceius posted:
Please don't use crafting macros if you actually care about the item you're producing.
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HOT CRAFTING TIP - PRECISE TOUCH
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Should I throw balance on the DPS or on the tank to maximize his DPS and to better take advantage of his str accessories?
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Tenik posted:Actually, this is exactly what you should do. Regen/fairy healing is much more mp efficient, but you lose out on the time efficiency of direct healing. Since DPS shouldn't be taking damage very often, you can let them slowly get back up to full health over 20 seconds instead spamming cure on them. Plus, that gives them enough time to remember that they have second wind or bloodbath, which means you can give even less of a poo poo about them. As a Black Mage who takes unavoidable raid damage I should... Incidentally bleeding to death on Odin was awesome and I can't wait for that again.
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This is quite possibly the worst loving derail I've seen in this thread.
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kharaa posted:should i go vit or str for my crafting classes
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Fister Roboto posted:Please don't use crafting macros if you actually care about the item you're producing. Define "Care" cause I've been using them to level my crafter's, a macro is pretty useful for the weaver hats and Collectables (for GSM and CUL) i'm making
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Leal posted:Should I throw balance on the DPS or on the tank to maximize his DPS and to better take advantage of his str accessories? the impression i'm getting is that you should put it on yourself because it's literally just you that matters in parties
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Stormgale posted:Define "Care" cause I've been using them to level my crafter's, a macro is pretty useful for the weaver hats and Collectables (for GSM and CUL) i'm making New skills aren't very conducive to macro use because of the good/excellent requirement and limit of 15 lines per macro, except for things that are already trivial. For leveling you want to get as long to HQ as possible generally.
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Stormgale posted:Define "Care" cause I've been using them to level my crafter's, a macro is pretty useful for the weaver hats and Collectables (for GSM and CUL) i'm making In the sense of "I definitely need this to be 100% HQ and I don't massively outlevel the recipe and the materials aren't trivially inexpensive". Good crafting involves too much variability and unpredictability for macros to be effective. And on top of that, even the tiniest server hiccup will destroy a crafting macro.
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Fister Roboto posted:In the sense of "I definitely need this to be 100% HQ and I don't massively outlevel the recipe and the materials aren't trivially inexpensive". Good crafting involves too much variability and unpredictability for macros to be effective. And on top of that, even the tiniest server hiccup will destroy a crafting macro. That's fair, I've been using them for even level macro stuff because the HQ 2* master macro I have still works and I'd rather have an 80% chance with 0 effort than go full on hasty touch rotation for leves. Edit: Also collectibles because they don't need anywhere near 100% HQ
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