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ComradeCosmobot posted:Due to NIMBY complaints from citizens of Antelope Valley, LA County is banning commercial wind turbines. quote:Antelope Valley residents have dealt with the negative effects of solar field development including dust generation, noise and thousands of acres of visual blight, quote:“Why are we converting this beautiful land that was zoned this way from our forefathers into industrial power plants?” quote:More than a dozen Antelope Valley residents said the wind turbines would destroy their vistas Is there some part of the AV that's not a blasted desert hellscape that I don't know about? I'm a little south of there and don't get out that way too often so maybe I don't know.
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One man's "Blasted desert hellscape" is another man's beautiful desert wilderness. I'm actually a little sympathetic: we're all somewhat conditioned to think of green energy solutions as the antithesis of polluting industrial power generation, but solar farms and wind farms are industrial development projects. If you live on or near open land that has been open land forever - whether that's forest, plains, desert, or whatever - you have a good argument to make about not converting that wilderness into power plants. Additionally, it's reasonable to argue that for-profit commercial power generation companies shouldn't be given public land to develop power plants on. Government giveaways to industry are commonplace and often rife with corruption, or at the very least, wanton disregard for the actual public interest. But having said all that? A bunch of the objections are straight-up tinfoil hat horseshit, and the article makes it sound like the county is literally being steered by twelve specific residents who showed up to protest at meetings, which is stupid. It makes perfect sense to focus on solar in an area that gets a very high number of clear days/year, but it also makes sense to develop wind in a place that has, you know, a lot of wind. And this: "“There’s plenty of roofs and car ports to put this stuff on and leave the county alone,” he said." I mean, that's just ignorant. Rooftop solar is fine and dandy, but industrial-scale power is still indespensable to the state's grid, and centralizing generation allows you to be way more efficient with distribution. It's a thorny issue - the appropriate use of greenspace - made worse by the interference of NIMBY idiots.
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Jul 17, 2015 21:23
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Leperflesh posted:One man's "Blasted desert hellscape" is another man's beautiful desert wilderness. I think technically they're land leases and/or use permits rather than direct sales most of the time, but the effect is the same. While I might think a solar power tower only adds a bit of badass to an already pretty badass landscape, I completely get how few share my aesthetics and many people move to the country because of the views and visual environment. The other NIMBYish people I sympathize with are Rockhounds. When we declare a big section of BLM land a renewables energy generation zone it automatically excludes that area from rockhounding. So they're losing access to areas passed down between generations and there aren't replacements. But when they go to the meetings, regulators weigh their recreation versus the health impacts of fossil fuels or AB32's mandates and well rockhounding doesn't win.
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Yeah. We're literally trying to save our civilization here, global warming may already be irreversible and accelerating no matter what we do but just in case it isn't, we desperately need to reduce carbon emissions and it's a global humanitarian emergency on a scale that makes the black plague look like no big deal. On the other hand, why not raze a few ugly subdivisions of trash mcmansion tract housing and put the solar farms there, instead of despoiling chunks of the still mostly-undespoiled parts of our country? (I know exactly why not, that's a rhetorical question.) I don't personally feel like windmills ruin a landscape but that's an aesthetic judgement. I can't pretend that it's not industrial development of open space.
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Leperflesh posted:Yeah. We're literally trying to save our civilization here, global warming may already be irreversible and accelerating no matter what we do but just in case it isn't, we desperately need to reduce carbon emissions and it's a global humanitarian emergency on a scale that makes the black plague look like no big deal. Yeah, instead it's just 'ruining' rich people's views.  California is in desperate need of development, and every old white fart in this state needs to stop pretending it's still 1978. It's weird if you end up in a conversation with someone in their 50s..and you you get this very intense anti-development 'environmental' response, because they remember when less people were around, and some jerk built something to ruin their view. It's like a weird leftist version of 'gently caress you got mine'.
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Jul 18, 2015 01:14
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Space-Bird posted:Yeah, instead it's just 'ruining' rich people's views. Baby boomers are literally the devil and the only way we can make things better is if we dismantle everything they loved. Unfortunately, this means we also have to turn against Star Wars.
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TildeATH posted:Baby boomers are literally the devil and the only way we can make things better is if we dismantle everything they loved. Unfortunately, this means we also have to turn against Star Wars. .... I hate star wars so much. I literally cannot go like a day in my life without seeing a star wars reference. It's becoming a running joke with my friends..every time I see a cultural reference or mention to star wars it's like "Dang, got star wars'd again today." Try existing for 24 hours without seeing a Star Wars reference, it can't be done. I agree, we have to destroy Star Wars. My favorite irony is that Star Wars Money is paying for affordable housing development in Marin County, the one good thing that franchise has ever done.
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Jul 18, 2015 01:23
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TildeATH posted:Unfortunately, this means we also have to turn against Star Wars. Sometimes you have to break a few eggs.
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Jul 18, 2015 01:23
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No. No no no. Star Wars does not belong to the baby boomers! Star Wars is my generation's thing. The baby boomers are in their 60s now. Star Wars is for those of us in our 40s. You may still hate it of course, but the Trilogy began in the late 70s and culminated to its fullness in the 80s. Those of us who were kids in that decade own Star Wars, and not our parents.
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Jul 18, 2015 07:15
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Star Wars died the minute Episode 1 arrived.
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Speaking of power plants, the City of Oxnard and many residents are trying to stop the construction of a new power-plant on the oceanfront which will become obsolete in 15 years. It has to be built here because reasons. My best guess is all the other cities nearby could put up a big nasty legal fight and we can't because of the way the states zoning laws work.
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Jul 18, 2015 09:13
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Forceholy posted:Star Wars died the minute Episode 1 arrived. Yeah but it's being revived to become stronger, hold more influence, and WOW an audience.
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Anime Curator posted:and WOW an audience. loving WoW ruins everything and everyone.
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Thanks to the ridiculously broad definition of "baby boomers", there are mere youths of 51 who qualify as such. That whole tail-end-of-a-generation thing means that people who were barely teenagers when the whole 60s thing ended are still being lumped together with the hippies and the Goldwater voters and whatnot. As somebody once said, "I didn't go to San Francisco for the Summer of Love because I wasn't allowed to cross the street yet." Meanwhile, I am not happy to learn that assholes with drones are keeping firefighters from being able to fly helicopters into the North Fire, the one that crosses I-15. I have no idea how anybody's going to be able to regulate private drones, but they're a menace in many other ways, notably invasions of privacy.
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Jul 18, 2015 19:30
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Meanwhile, I am not happy to learn that assholes with drones are keeping firefighters from being able to fly helicopters into the North Fire, the one that crosses I-15. I have no idea how anybody's going to be able to regulate private drones, but they're a menace in many other ways, notably invasions of privacy. Dronewarz
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Arsenic Lupin posted:private drones, but they're a menace in many other ways FilthyImp posted:Dronewarz Too late for jokes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a29182/the-skunk-drone-is-coming/ quote:For Sale: Weaponized Drones For Corporate Use http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/17/citizen-drone-warfare-hobbyist-explores-a-frighten/?page=all quote:Titled “Citizen Drone Warfare” and posted to YouTube last week by an anonymous man calling himself “Milo Danger,” the video shows a hobbyist drone equipped with a custom-mounted paintball pistol flying over a grassy field and peppering human-shaped shooting-range targets with pellets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jplh7uatr-E
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Jul 18, 2015 19:57
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FRINGE posted:Drones Killbots are literally child's play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoY2TlxyWm4
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Minarchist posted:Killbots are literally child's play: SOMEONE SAID KILLBOT!  (wow that is a loving disturbing link)
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RandomPauI posted:Speaking of power plants, the City of Oxnard and many residents are trying to stop the construction of a new power-plant on the oceanfront which will become obsolete in 15 years. It has to be built here because reasons. My best guess is all the other cities nearby could put up a big nasty legal fight and we can't because of the way the states zoning laws work. At the rate all of Oxnard's beaches are eroding, the plant will just end up falling into the sea in a few years even if it is built.
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So yesterday the tail end of a hurricane blew in and it has been hot and humid as gently caress. I saw the most amazing lighting storms I've ever seen in my life yesterday in San Diego. However, I haven't saved much water since I've taken about 10 showers in the last 2 days since I'm completely soaked in sweat on a constant basis. It's rained over 2 inches in 2 days, but it is also just humid as gently caress; and while it is only 80 degrees, I'm just a big blob of slimy sweat. For reference, I'm 6'0 and 160 pounds. Not really fat, though I do have a beer belly. loving poo poo, I can't stop sweating; this is disgusting.
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Jul 20, 2015 02:34
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It's like being in Satan's taint, I've been sitting in a metal chair in the rain because my stupid apartment doesn't have A/C and my fan broke. It's really too bad that no one in LA/OC had the foresight to build rainwater capture systems into our stormdrains; a lot of this rain is just going to wash right back out to sea.
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Mayor Dave posted:It's like being in Satan's taint, I've been sitting in a metal chair in the rain because my stupid apartment doesn't have A/C and my fan broke. It's really too bad that no one in LA/OC had the foresight to build rainwater capture systems into our stormdrains; a lot of this rain is just going to wash right back out to sea. Considering that a lot of areas ban collecting rainwater it wouldn't really matter.
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My landlord installed a bunch of rain barrels like two weeks ago, in anticipation of the upcoming El Niño. They're all full today, after fours hours of rain. Except for the one that shifted off its paver and broke the seal around its drain spigot.
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No, I'm talking about municipal capture directly from the storm drains. This is water that isn't covered by water rights and is currently going to waste. It's entirely different than, say, runoff in Colorado which is counted as part of the river allocation and therefore already assigned before it hits the ground. Granted, this water is severely contaminated from its journey through the storm drains, but treating it is cheaper than desal and more palatable than toilet to tap.
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Mayor Dave posted:No, I'm talking about municipal capture directly from the storm drains. This is water that isn't covered by water rights and is currently going to waste. It's entirely different than, say, runoff in Colorado which is counted as part of the river allocation and therefore already assigned before it hits the ground. Granted, this water is severely contaminated from its journey through the storm drains, but treating it is cheaper than desal and more palatable than toilet to tap. I think the highly seasonal nature of rainfall on the coast makes it so you'd either have to make a huge plant to use a few weeks a year or make a tiny plant that does very little, but during most of the year. Far cheaper to just accept that everyone in LA is already drinking Las Vegas's poo water and stop being so squeamish about treating waste water for use.
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Pohl posted:So yesterday the tail end of a hurricane blew in and it has been hot and humid as gently caress. The storms yesterday were amazing. That was literally the one thing I miss about the Midwest, so it was awesome.
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Bobby Digital posted:The storms yesterday were amazing. That was literally the one thing I miss about the Midwest, so it was awesome. The lightning was literally hitting directly over my apartment building. Then boom boom BOOM!!!!! It was like being at a gun range, only without protective ear cover. All of the car alarms were going off because that lighting was shaking everything. Like, my apartment literally shook when the big sonic boom went off. I've stood outside on my deck in Idaho almost naked enjoying rain and thundershowers, this one had me ducking and covering under my desk. It was just loving glorious. My poor cats were just freaked out and crawling around like spiders (all 4 feet out, belly's on the ground, serious face; it was hilarious) for hours after it happened. That is understandable, because the BIG lighting and sonic booms lasted almost an hour where I was. Pohl fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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Jul 20, 2015 08:30
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Mayor Dave posted:It's like being in Satan's taint... Amazing.
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Pohl posted:The lightning was literally hitting directly over my apartment building. Then boom boom BOOM!!!!! Definitely had some walls rattling during the bigger thunderclaps here as well. I'm in Serra Mesa.
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Jul 20, 2015 10:17
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You southern pleebs talking about raining while I sit here in a drought.
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It's been abnormally hot and humid in the bay area too. There was also a small thunderstorm over Daly city/the southern edge of SF, but nowhere else...we need more storm, and less heat. Like most people in not-the-south-bay/outer east bay, my place doesn't have air conditioning 
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:You southern pleebs talking about raining while I sit here in a drought. I think this means we can cut them off. Apparently they don't want any more water.
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It drizzled here in the southern East Bay around 7 AM, but now it's already 79.
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Can confirm it was just hot and disgusting in the South Bay.
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Jul 20, 2015 17:57
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We need to have a region thunderdome(two regions enter, one region leaves) between the LA south bay and the SF south bay to end any confusion once and for all.
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bango skank posted:We need to have a region thunderdome(two regions enter, one region leaves) between the LA south bay and the SF south bay to end any confusion once and for all. What about the South Bay of California's second-largest city, San Diego?
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Jul 20, 2015 21:33
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No one cares about san diego.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:What about the South Bay of California's second-largest city, San Diego? It's not really CA's second largest city unless you're measuring things by city-limits, which are pretty arbitrary. The second largest city (metropolitan area) in CA is SF/the Bay Area. 
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drilldo squirt posted:No one cares about san diego. Not even a little bit.
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The San Diego Zoo has kiwi birds, so at least care about the kiwi birds.
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