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Strawman posted:The problem here is that you're confusing sports with
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Okay I was not expecting this from North Korea.
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Jul 20, 2015 04:11
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Is there any reason why tonight's episode isn't on HBO Go?
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Jul 20, 2015 05:31
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I don't think it goes up on HBO Go until tomorrow morning. Because it's a live show that doesn't air until pretty late and on a Sunday to boot so they have to wait to get people in the office? I doubt that's the reason but it's the way it's always been as far as I know.
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Jul 20, 2015 05:36
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I've always assumed the show gets edited/delivered pretty close to the wire, and the process of transcoding it into a billion bitrates, then checking those transcodes for errors, then sending them to CDNs...etc just takes too long.
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Jul 20, 2015 05:44
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Also an actual Laibach cover: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4VMDxSyLAU
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Jul 20, 2015 06:28
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I'm a little surprised that Oliver and team didn't figure out that Laibach is and always has been a parody of fascism, taking totalitarian imagery and blowing it up to preposterous proportions in their videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7muCRio2nQ
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Jul 20, 2015 17:18
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Gumby posted:I'm a little surprised that Oliver and team didn't figure out that Laibach is and always has been a parody of fascism, taking totalitarian imagery and blowing it up to preposterous proportions in their videos. Well, I think it was last week when he asked the Freeburg, Illinois folks what they were thinking by choosing the "Freeburg Midgets" as their school's teams' name and mascot. Problem is, there is a perfectly innocent and completely verifiable explanation for how they came to have that name, but an Englishman explaining something in a logical and reasonable way isn't quite as entertaining as his incredulous outrage tends to be. Of course, he can't take the time out to be in-depth about all of the elements of each of the stories he covers; one must remember the context of the show--it's comedy, not news. Besides, it's not like Laibach makes it very easy. Answering that you are a fascist in the same way that Hitler was a painter isn't all that clear-cut, because Hitler was a prolific (if not very talented) painter. I think what everybody is missing here is that, hooray! Rock and roll is coming to North Korea!!
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Jul 20, 2015 17:46
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This week's topic was particularly dull. I guess it's an issue that needs to be addressed, but it's not controversial or anything. Should food be donated instead of throwing it away? Yeah, probably, but that's a lot of effort for companies to figure out, so they take the path of least resistance. Are expiration dates bullshit? Yeah, of course, food doesn't self-destruct when it reaches the end of its countdown, it's just food companies covering their asses because sometimes food goes nasty after a while. It's actually a more interesting issue in Greece, where they deemed that the expiration date on milk should be only a week out, in order to protect the Greek milk industry from foreign competition. It's actually one of the big issues that the EU is arguing with Greece over. There's got to be more issues for them to go into.
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Jul 20, 2015 17:48
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tarlibone posted:Of course, he can't take the time out to be in-depth about all of the elements of each of the stories he covers; one must remember the context of the show--it's comedy, not news. its feeling more and more like directed social commentary lately. Like "The Senate/FIFA/Big business/Police state/etc is loving you like this, please consider doing something about it" subtext.
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Jul 20, 2015 18:00
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There is no way they can hide behind the "oh its COMEDY not news" cop out. Its news, with some jokes thrown in.
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Jul 20, 2015 18:58
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SlothfulCobra posted:This week's topic was particularly dull. I guess it's an issue that needs to be addressed, but it's not controversial or anything. A lot of people blame lawyers for the prevention of food donations. It's weird how prevalent that thought is. And then it gets linked to the McDonalds coffee thing which is also bullshit.
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Jul 20, 2015 19:10
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Baloogan posted:There is no way they can hide behind the "oh its COMEDY not news" cop out. Its news, with some jokes thrown in. Oh, I agree that it's a cop-out. But, it's also kind-of true. First and foremost, this show is a comedy show. The difference between this show and any other comedy is that the framing device is a news show, and the topics from which humor is drawn are current events. Personally, I do not have the same expectations of this show that I have from, say, the NBC Nightly News. Daily Show and Last Week Tonight will sometimes just opt for the quick laugh or other guttural reaction over the in-depth analysis, and such is the risk you run when getting your news from a comedy show.
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Jul 20, 2015 19:24
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tarlibone posted:Oh, I agree that it's a cop-out. But, it's also kind-of true. Explain CNN then.
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Jul 20, 2015 19:43
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bobkatt013 posted:Explain CNN then. CNN is a comedy show that thinks its news.
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Jul 20, 2015 20:10
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The Onion is news that thinks it's comedy.
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Jul 20, 2015 20:20
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Xoidanor posted:The Onion is news that thinks it's comedy. The news is comedy that thinks it's news.
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Jul 20, 2015 20:24
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i actually thought the food waste segment was really well written.
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Jul 20, 2015 20:51
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Soylentbits posted:The news is comedy that thinks it's news. Huey Lewis thinks he's the News.
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Jul 20, 2015 20:54
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Whenever I see someone try to raise the "John Oliver (or Colbert or Stewart) is making the 'it's comedy not news' copout" argument, I often have a hard time precisely figuring out what blame of material harm the comedian is supposedly trying to dodge. I feel that they always give that disclaimer in part because the real news has become a joke, and they don't want to exacerbate that problem. That and the fact they see their comedy as an artform and are still trying to have some kind of ownership of it even though it'll always get spun one way or another. I always felt like when bloggers try to write some thinkpiece like "John Oliver is a journalist no matter how many times he denies it" it's in part because of cultural/political posturing on part of the blogger and audience. They want their entertainment to be "something more" by pointing at it and saying to everyone it's something more.
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Jul 20, 2015 21:17
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Echo Chamber posted:Whenever I see someone try to raise the "John Oliver (or Colbert or Stewart) is making the 'it's comedy not news' copout" argument, I often have a hard time precisely figuring out what blame of material harm the comedian is supposedly trying to dodge. It's probably exactly the same reason why Glenn Beck was deemed an entertainment program and not news.
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Jul 20, 2015 21:19
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Technogeek posted:Also an actual Laibach cover: So's this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTQcJx7xqAc
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Jul 20, 2015 21:21
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Echo Chamber posted:Whenever I see someone try to raise the "John Oliver (or Colbert or Stewart) is making the 'it's comedy not news' copout" argument, I often have a hard time precisely figuring out what blame of material harm the comedian is supposedly trying to dodge. It's dodging the accountability and responsibility that (is supposed to) comes with being a journalist.
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Jul 20, 2015 21:28
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Echo Chamber posted:Whenever I see someone try to raise the "John Oliver (or Colbert or Stewart) is making the 'it's comedy not news' copout" argument, I often have a hard time precisely figuring out what blame of material harm the comedian is supposedly trying to dodge. I don't know about Colbert, but I know that Stewart at least once went on the record using this defense. Of course, the context is key: he was on Bill O'Reilly's show on Fox News, and Papa Bear had been trying to take him to task for not giving a fully rounded and fair picture of some topical news story. (And yes, I know, O'Reilly's lack of self-awareness is ridiculous, and the irony was totally lost on him.) What he actually said was pretty funny, because he talked about the fact that after his show was over, the next show featured puppets making prank phone calls. So it has been used before, and Stewart never backed down from that position. I think it's really only a problem for the people who don't agree with his take on a given situation (usually, these people are social conservatives). Everyone else either agrees with him wholeheartedly, or they're too busy laughing to fact-check his monolog.
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Jul 20, 2015 21:29
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I'm willing to bet that anyone who actually thinks The Daily Show and Last Week Tonight are good journalists has a fairly limited exposure to news media. They are definitely smart and entertaining, but they are certainly not journalist. Hell, them not being journalist is what makes them so great.
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Jul 20, 2015 21:56
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IRQ posted:It's dodging the accountability and responsibility that (is supposed to) comes with being a journalist. 
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Jul 20, 2015 22:07
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tarlibone posted:I don't know about Colbert, but I know that Stewart at least once went on the record using this defense. Of course, the context is key: he was on Bill O'Reilly's show on Fox News, and Papa Bear had been trying to take him to task for not giving a fully rounded and fair picture of some topical news story. (And yes, I know, O'Reilly's lack of self-awareness is ridiculous, and the irony was totally lost on him.) What he actually said was pretty funny, because he talked about the fact that after his show was over, the next show featured puppets making prank phone calls. Yeah, Stewart was using it for years. At least as far back as the infamous Crossfire incident.
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Jul 20, 2015 22:29
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And what's really weird is people taking Tucker Carlson's "side".
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Jul 20, 2015 22:39
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Noted fair and balanced news channel Fox News was mad because a show on Comedy Central wasn't fair and balanced. That's the entire story.
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Jul 20, 2015 22:43
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:i actually thought the food waste segment was really well written. Agreed. I enjoyed this one and he raised some points I wasn't entirely aware of beforehand. IRQ posted:It's dodging the accountability and responsibility that (is supposed to) comes with being a journalist. At this point we should probably give up the ghost. There hasn't been any journalistic accountability or responsibility since at least the lead-up to the Iraq War if not longer. No point in pretending it's an integral component of journalism in America anymore.
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Jul 21, 2015 05:27
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swickles posted:Noted fair and balanced news channel Fox News was mad because a show on Comedy Central wasn't fair and balanced. That's the entire story. Stewart himself has been more than happy to demonstrate the multitude of times that Fox News is willing to criticize someone for something that they themselves will happily engage in without questioning. Basically any "controversy" backed by Fox News should be understood to not actually be about the thing they're supposedly mad about and rather more about an attempt to weaken an entity they believe holds political views that differ from their own.
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Jul 21, 2015 08:05
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SlothfulCobra posted:This week's topic was particularly dull. SlothfulCobra posted:but it's not controversial or anything. SlothfulCobra posted:Yeah, probably, but that's a lot of effort for companies to figure out, so they take the path of least resistance. SlothfulCobra posted:Are expiration dates bullshit? Yeah, of course, food doesn't self-destruct when it reaches the end of its countdown, it's just food companies covering their asses because sometimes food goes nasty after a while.
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Jul 21, 2015 08:31
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haha "food insecure families" or whatever they said. Are they really afraid of just saying poor people?
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zVxTeflon posted:haha "food insecure families" or whatever they said. Are they really afraid of just saying poor people? http://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/food-security-in-the-us/measurement.aspx#security quote:Food insecurity is limited or uncertain availability of nutritionally adequate and safe foods or limited or uncertain ability to acquire acceptable foods in socially acceptable ways. This was the first segment that prompted me to sit my wife in front of it. She's guilty of most of the problems mentioned but the one that has always irritated me the most is her attitude toward expiration dates. She's been one of the "if it's one day over, or even expires today, throw it out" people.
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Generally the only groups that are constantly going around collecting food from grocery stores are local churches, because it requires a lot of people to volunteer their time and that's a big thing for church groups to do. I used to work in a grocery store, and their food donation service was abandoned when the company/group that was picking it up every day suddenly said they wanted to be paid to take the food away/get some sort of cash benefit and the program immediately ended. I remember every day throwing away 3-4 jam packed carts full of food in the dumpster, and I had to make sure every container was damaged or open so people couldn't scrounge. Some places even dump a few gallons of bleach all over the top of trash as well. It's pretty surprising that it does come down to a problem of perception and lovely lawmakers. I know it's illegal for private individuals to hand out food to the homeless but it's surprising that any actual organization that does it is well shielded from legal persecution as long as everything is in good faith.
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Jul 21, 2015 12:42
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Toplowtech posted:So it's about journalistic ethics in comedy shows? No, just the ones that are reporting news. Whether Stewart et al want the mantle of journalist or not it's become pretty clear that they are doing more than just poking fun at political poo poo like Key and Peele's Obama interpreter, for example.
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Yea it's called satire. It has existed for ages before Stewart or Oliver began their shows. Satire is not journalism nor ever will be. It points out problems that are being ignored or denied in a humorous way. I've never understood the insistence on pretending they're something else. They are there to point out the absurdity of societal and political norms leaving us to decide whether or not to do something about it.
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Jul 21, 2015 15:06
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If John Oliver does ever need to respond to the MRA gamer gate assholes:quote:Male gamers who bully female players are literal losers, study finds
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Relentlessboredomm posted:They are there to point out the absurdity of societal and political norms leaving us to decide whether or not to do something about it. The problem arises when 80% of the audience doesn't understand that the show is not a thought-provoking political commentary, but a one-sided and simplistic take on news stories designed to evoke a reaction, so you wind up with guys like Shakugan posted:If John Oliver does ever need to respond to the MRA gamer gate assholes: and the Israel guy constantly demanding Oliver validate their political views so they can win online arguments.
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