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Vasudus
May 30, 2003

Wasabi the J posted:

No joke, I'm going go full hooah here and say the SSD courses would be so loving good if they were actual classroom instruction and actually replaced the modules they encompass instead of having to double up on certs.

I know it doesn't make someone in the Pentagon money if we cut down death by PowerPoint classes but Jesus Christ, SSD covers so loving much it wouldn't need much to become fully comprehensive.

The DoD is moving away from death by PowerPoint. Unfortunately, they're moving into the interactive training / articulate storyline system. Think DoD IA training. Which is amusingly considerably more expensive to produce because you need an IPSS specialist to translate the material into an interactive format.

The Army is also dicking around with alternative training videos, like the new TBI training.

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Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Vasudus posted:

The DoD is moving away from death by PowerPoint. Unfortunately, they're moving into the interactive training / articulate storyline system. Think DoD IA training. Which is amusingly considerably more expensive to produce because you need an IPSS specialist to translate the material into an interactive format.

The Army is also dicking around with alternative training videos, like the new TBI training.

But it's not addressing training redundancies: the SSD courses have literally everything you need in the other classes presented as one big block.

its curtains for Kevin
Nov 14, 2011

Fruit is proof that the gods exist and love us.

Just kidding!

Life is meaningless
Only the Army would have a mutually exclusive set of checkboxes for 'SHARP training' and 'SHARP training you're going to get because your buddy hosed up'


BTW I'm in the army, and gay because of it

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
Is any of that online training actually good and/or useful? Everything I've taken so far is common sense crap I could have answered had they just given me a test instead of making me sit through a bunch of surprisingly long online classes. The Traffic Safety one seemed like it would never end.

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

this was basically all army online training for me

its curtains for Kevin
Nov 14, 2011

Fruit is proof that the gods exist and love us.

Just kidding!

Life is meaningless

Mustang posted:

Is any of that online training actually good and/or useful? Everything I've taken so far is common sense crap I could have answered had they just given me a test instead of making me sit through a bunch of surprisingly long online classes. The Traffic Safety one seemed like it would never end.

Accident Avoidance is the worst

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

NTT posted:

DOD Cyber Awareness Challenge is the worst

The gently caress is wrong with you

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
https://dema.az.gov/dema/news/arizona-national-guard-prepares-arm-service-members-self-defense



So many people are going to have firearms accidents. And so many other people are going to commit suicide due to the eight days of firearms training that will be split over four drills for the next six months. Holy poo poo this is a bad idea. I think it was an AZNG O3 that was quoted as saying "I wouldn't trust half of the soldiers in the national guard with even a nerf gun, much less a real one."

FIDEL CASHFLOW
Oct 13, 2009

Geirskogul posted:

https://dema.az.gov/dema/news/arizona-national-guard-prepares-arm-service-members-self-defense



So many people are going to have firearms accidents. And so many other people are going to commit suicide due to the eight days of firearms training that will be split over four drills for the next six months. Holy poo poo this is a bad idea. I think it was an AZNG O3 that was quoted as saying "I wouldn't trust half of the soldiers in the national guard with even a nerf gun, much less a real one."

99% of the people I don't trust around firearms are in the military.

AllDogsGoodDogs
Dec 30, 2008
Do they still make people do the pre-deployment online training thing where you're interrogated and slapped by insurgents?

its curtains for Kevin
Nov 14, 2011

Fruit is proof that the gods exist and love us.

Just kidding!

Life is meaningless
Zeal for weapons is gonna get someone shot by people loving around with them instead of leaving them alone in the holster with the safety on, 100% of the time like they're supposed to be.

FIDEL CASHFLOW
Oct 13, 2009

NTT posted:

Zeal for weapons is gonna get someone shot by people loving around with them instead of leaving them alone in the holster with the safety on, 100% of the time like they're supposed to be.

i unironically can't wait for this

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

JSARSOM posted:

Do they still make people do the pre-deployment online training thing where you're interrogated and slapped by insurgents?

Yeah, SERE 100. I always blame the PV2 for causing the crash.

its curtains for Kevin
Nov 14, 2011

Fruit is proof that the gods exist and love us.

Just kidding!

Life is meaningless
bro check out these sweet competition sights i got put on my knockup colt 9-11!!! *flags 1SG and 3 officers, overweight kitchen patrol sergeant gasps in horror*

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

NTT posted:

overweight kitchen patrol sergeant

Every unit has one of these, right? I just got back from that "deployment" a few days ago with an MPAD, and they had one. My home unit, an ASMC, also has one. They're everywhere.

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

wait they're letting az nasty girls carry their personal weapons or are they going to have to go to the armory every day to pull their weapon then get bitched out every day for it being dirty

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

Nostalgia4Butts posted:

wait they're letting az nasty girls carry their personal weapons or are they going to have to go to the armory every day to pull their weapon then get bitched out every day for it being dirty

Yes.

Carteret
Nov 10, 2012


FIDEL CASHFLOW posted:

99% of the people I don't trust around firearms are in the military.

QTFT

This is also true of most of the people you see open carrying. They just look :frogdowns:

brains
May 12, 2004

NTT posted:

Zeal for weapons is gonna get someone shot by people loving around with them instead of leaving them alone in the holster with the safety on, 100% of the time like they're supposed to be.

the recruiter in atlanta who shot himself did it after unloading the weapon to "show it to a recruit" then reloaded it and it fired when he was jamming it back down his pants.


so basically peak army.

its curtains for Kevin
Nov 14, 2011

Fruit is proof that the gods exist and love us.

Just kidding!

Life is meaningless
The only reason it hit the news was because atlanta's a big city, if it was one of the hundreds of smaller towns in GA that incident would have been paper pushed out of sight lol

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

NTT posted:

Accident Avoidance is the worst

Pretty much all of the online training feels like it was made by these 3 girls in the national guard that routinely pop up in my Facebook feed posting about how they're hanging out with their besties at drill <3<3<3 and omg nobody was more of a hardass than Drill Sergeant Derris lol hooah team!

FIDEL CASHFLOW posted:

99% of the people I don't trust around firearms are in the military.

When I was at BAF this cook in my battalion FSC ND'd her loving SAW in the Warrior DFAC. How the gently caress do you ND a SAW unless you're retarded enough to put the belt in the feed tray? Answer: you're retarded enough to put the belt in the feed tray.

On a similar vein, I had an MP tell me that there were between 5-7 NDs per week on BAF, which at the time was roughly the size of Hood or Lewis.

psydude fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Jul 23, 2015

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

psydude posted:

How the gently caress do you ND a SAW unless you're retarded enough to put the belt in the feed tray?

Some people don't understand the difference between open and closed bolt, and find out the hard way when they try to ride the bolt forward.

Bell_
Sep 3, 2006

Tiny Baltimore
A billion light years away
A goon's posting the same thing
But he's already turned to dust
And the shitpost we read
Is a billion light-years old
A ghost just like the rest of us

NTT posted:

SERE 100 is the worst

I understand if you drank your memories of that shitfest out of your system

Booblord Zagats
Oct 30, 2011


Pork Pro

Nostalgia4Butts posted:

this was basically all army online training for me



I did the slingshot one all the time as a kid using a steak knife and a wrist rocket. hosed up some aluminum siding pretty good

Crazy Legs
Nov 6, 2010

Mike-o posted:

I'll forego my usual "lol ur still in" and ask it genuinely. Why are any of you still in? We all know how gay the army is, I saw the writing on the wall in 2010 and got the gently caress out as soon as I could. I'm guessing most of you will respond with "I still have four more years to go" or something to that effect but is anyone staying in regardless if they still have a ton of time left?

Because I hosed up and didn't listen to you guys while I was still in college.

Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001

One of my AGR buddies killed himself last night. As we were sitting around this morning letting it soak in, one of my other buddies said, "So...I guess I should work on my briefing." He just gave the suicide briefing at drill this past weekend.

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

Retardog posted:

One of my AGR buddies killed himself last night. As we were sitting around this morning letting it soak in, one of my other buddies said, "So...I guess I should work on my briefing." He just gave the suicide briefing at drill this past weekend.

Sorry dude. Please tell me you stomped the poo poo out of the guy who made that comment.

Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001

No, it was just a bit of gallows humor during a situation we're all still trying to process. This guy was less than a year from retirement; he had his twenty year letter hanging in his office. He hadn't shown any of the signs we get drilled into us all the time. Nothing about him seemed out of the ordinary. Hell, one of his soldiers showed up this morning because the guy had asked him to come in today. It just loving sucks...

Naked Bear
Apr 15, 2007

Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!
Really sorry to hear that, man. Never gets any easier.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Retardog posted:

No, it was just a bit of gallows humor during a situation we're all still trying to process. This guy was less than a year from retirement; he had his twenty year letter hanging in his office. He hadn't shown any of the signs we get drilled into us all the time. Nothing about him seemed out of the ordinary. Hell, one of his soldiers showed up this morning because the guy had asked him to come in today. It just loving sucks...

Jesus. I hope you're alright; what state are you guys in, out of morbid curiosity? I have an AGR that I know personally went through some brushes with suicide and recently gave a brief about it, now I'm worried about him.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
I've been telling every person that brings up the ARM ARE TROOPS poo poo how bad, how really, really bad an idea it is. It's going to be a flaming catastrophe wrapped in a clusterfuck covered with a tragedy and tied together by a poo poo-fest bow. People are still trying to tell me I'm wrong. I don't much like pulling the "I'm a vet, you have no idea" card but I've been doing it constantly on this issue and I'm still somehow wrong. Armed standing military in the general civilian population is such an unbelievably bad idea there are no words.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

SumYungGui posted:

I've been telling every person that brings up the ARM ARE TROOPS poo poo how bad, how really, really bad an idea it is. It's going to be a flaming catastrophe wrapped in a clusterfuck covered with a tragedy and tied together by a poo poo-fest bow. People are still trying to tell me I'm wrong. I don't much like pulling the "I'm a vet, you have no idea" card but I've been doing it constantly on this issue and I'm still somehow wrong. Armed standing military in the general civilian population is such an unbelievably bad idea there are no words.

Third Amendment implications might arise as well...

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

A SGM in uniform in his mid 40s tried to hit on my mid-20s girlfriend at a lunch spot and got all creepy and pushy when she politely declined. Stay classy, Army.

Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001

Wasabi the J posted:

Jesus. I hope you're alright; what state are you guys in, out of morbid curiosity? I have an AGR that I know personally went through some brushes with suicide and recently gave a brief about it, now I'm worried about him.

Kentucky. And yeah, I'll be okay. I feel bad for his wife and child, and the guys that served with him. The rest of us'll play some cornhole and drink a few beers in his honor.

Retrowave Joe fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Jul 23, 2015

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Retardog posted:

Kentucky.

Ah, ok, not who I was thinking, most likely. I'm very sorry for your loss.

FIDEL CASHFLOW
Oct 13, 2009

psydude posted:

When I was at BAF this cook in my battalion FSC ND'd her loving SAW in the Warrior DFAC. How the gently caress do you ND a SAW unless you're retarded enough to put the belt in the feed tray? Answer: you're retarded enough to put the belt in the feed tray.

:stare:

the saw is the easiest weapon to safe though.......

i loving hate the army

not caring here
Feb 22, 2012

blazemastah 2 dry 4 u
Whenever I had to play like i was a real soldier, in basic as well, and had to carry a loaded weapon I'd just bang a mag in and not chamber a round.

Problem solved.

The perfect solution to when the army is being more gay than normal, and there's no chance you are gonna have to shoot someone (or have blanks loaded).

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

not caring here posted:

Whenever I had to play like i was a real soldier, in basic as well, and had to carry a loaded weapon I'd just bang a mag in and not chamber a round.

Problem solved.

The perfect solution to when the army is being more gay than normal, and there's no chance you are gonna have to shoot someone (or have blanks loaded).

That was the standard procedure inside the FOBs in Afghanistan (barring an attack). For the SAW/240, though, you weren't supposed to put the belt in the feed tray.

FIDEL CASHFLOW
Oct 13, 2009
we had a nco trying to tell us to half-cock the saw so you could put the safety on

great way to ruin a saw

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tyler
Jun 2, 2014

Just put the belt in with the bolt forward :psyduck:

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