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Raku posted:Part of the problem might be only rich people can afford to go to NFL games anymore. College games fill up even bigger stadiums with less amenities--but gently caress spending nfl money if you're going to have poo poo wifi and get scalped by billionaires. This one is also about Dan Snyder!
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Chichevache posted:Back in the good old days my grandfather watched football from a wooden bleacher, and he enjoyed it. I would kill for a stadium that was just seats, bathrooms, and hotdog + beer vendors. The amount of poo poo that they cram into arenas nowadays is stupid, and it gets reflected in capital costs and ticket prices.
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Jul 19, 2015 06:19
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Raku posted:Part of the problem might be only rich people can afford to go to NFL games anymore. I went to two Cardinals game for $30 bux each last year.
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Jul 19, 2015 06:22
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Zurreco posted:I would kill for a stadium that was just seats, bathrooms, and hotdog + beer vendors. The amount of poo poo that they cram into arenas nowadays is stupid, and it gets reflected in capital costs and ticket prices. This was my entire childhood at the old Stanford stadium. About 90 years in practically the same building. Just a bunch of remodels every couple decades.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_Stadium
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Jul 19, 2015 06:22
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If you don't want to go swimming with a bunch of hot girls in bikinis and watch the game at the Jags stadium, I don't know. Go gently caress yourself?
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Jul 19, 2015 06:22
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That sounds like you're going somewhere to hang out with hot chicks, instead of, you know, watching football?
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Jul 19, 2015 06:30
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Chichevache posted:That sounds like you're going somewhere to hang out with hot chicks, instead of, you know, watching football? Do both?
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Jul 19, 2015 06:49
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You can do both at the same time. We have that technology.
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Jul 19, 2015 06:49
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Has SA left the denial stage of grief yet
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Zurreco posted:I would kill for a stadium that was just seats, bathrooms, and hotdog + beer vendors. The amount of poo poo that they cram into arenas nowadays is stupid, and it gets reflected in capital costs and ticket prices. I don't get to a lot of sporting events, but I've been inside five NFL stadiums, three MLB stadiums, two hockey arenas, and two college football stadiums. Everything from mixed used nightmares like whatever Dolphins Stadium is currently called and Three Rivers to gleaming monuments to the hubris of man like Nats Park and Heinz Field to the titanic monstrosities that are Beaver Stadium and Neyland Stadium. I've sat in the peasant rabble of the deck above the upper deck to being able to put my feet up on the dugout roof or heckle players on the sideline and have them hear me. The club levels I've been on made me wonder why those people were even at the game in the first place. You can sit at a bar and watch the game literally anywhere. The only experience I haven't had in a stadium is sitting in a luxury box. I don't need all the restaurants of the Mercedes Club or whatever it was called at FedEx or the elaborate model train scoreboard thing in the Norfolk Southern Club at Nats Park. The most fun I've ever had in a stadium was standing packed shoulder to shoulder in my 17 inches of allotted space on a cold metal bleacher in a light, freezing cold rain on a night in October in a college football stadium. All that other stuff is fluff for people that would rather be somewhere else. However, I require a pretzel guy too. Maybe nachos. warcrimes posted:Do both? If you're doing both at the same time, you're doing neither very well 
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Sash! posted:I don't get to a lot of sporting events, but I've been inside five NFL stadiums, three MLB stadiums, two hockey arenas, and two college football stadiums. Everything from mixed used nightmares like whatever Dolphins Stadium is currently called and Three Rivers to gleaming monuments to the hubris of man like Nats Park and Heinz Field to the titanic monstrosities that are Beaver Stadium and Neyland Stadium. I've sat in the peasant rabble of the deck above the upper deck to being able to put my feet up on the dugout roof or heckle players on the sideline and have them hear me. The club levels I've been on made me wonder why those people were even at the game in the first place. You can sit at a bar and watch the game literally anywhere. The only experience I haven't had in a stadium is sitting in a luxury box. A good post.
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Volkerball posted:That's 187 million per team. Teams spend well over 200 million a year, so that amount only covers a substantial chunk of losses, with local and regional income covering the rest and then providing income. Ah, team profits include the revenue sharing. I thought you were saying there was revenue sharing in additon to team profits. Volkerball posted:All but a handful of NFL teams aren't about business. Many of them are inherited as a symbol of pride for a family that has no other business ventures going on. For those that are sold, it's about having a toy to show your friends. So for these family run teams, there's just not enough profit to drop a billion on a stadium. You have to dig into reserves because you'll be taking huge losses, and if the team is your primary source of income, you're hosed. For the people who are looking to buy a team, if you spend 2 billion on the team and another billion or two on stadiums in your lifetime for like, 20 million a year profit, that's a loving stupid expensive toy that few can afford. yeah, I appreciated it when texpayers subsidized my family's showoff pride toy. It would be frankly unthinkable for us to have to finance our own boasting. If teams had to pay for their own stadiums they would not sell for $2B because the liability of stadium construction would be factored into the price, much like houses that will need a new roof in the next year sell for less than those that don't. Teams sell for so much in part because of their taxpayer windfalls. If it's a really dumb investment to put $2B capital into an enterprise that yields a $20M/yr profit, then the answer is not that the government must therefore prop up that business, it is that the business is absurdly overvalued. Some rich assholes will take a bath if/when that externality-driven over-valuation is allowed to correct itself. That's a good thing, and lol at them for sinking their assets into a penis waving statement.
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Chichevache posted:A good post. Sash! really is Cotton Hill.
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Sash! posted:I don't get to a lot of sporting events, but I've been inside five NFL stadiums, three MLB stadiums, two hockey arenas, and two college football stadiums. Everything from mixed used nightmares like whatever Dolphins Stadium is currently called and Three Rivers to gleaming monuments to the hubris of man like Nats Park and Heinz Field to the titanic monstrosities that are Beaver Stadium and Neyland Stadium. I've sat in the peasant rabble of the deck above the upper deck to being able to put my feet up on the dugout roof or heckle players on the sideline and have them hear me. The club levels I've been on made me wonder why those people were even at the game in the first place. You can sit at a bar and watch the game literally anywhere. The only experience I haven't had in a stadium is sitting in a luxury box. so you're a packers fan right
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FuriousxGeorge posted:If the Vikings owner had to pay for it himself he probably would end up deciding it didn't necessarily have to be a giant glass boat and gone with a cheaper design. The state insisted that it be all weather. The team owners wanted an open stadium but couldn't get any state funding if they did.
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TubeStank posted:so you're a packers fan right Steelers
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Darth Brooks posted:The state insisted that it be all weather. The team owners wanted an open stadium but couldn't get any state funding if they did. They needed government funding because they had to build an expensive stadium so that they could get government funding?
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Jul 19, 2015 20:39
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The open stadium would have to be paid entirely by the Wilfs. If it was roofed they could get state assistance.
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Jul 19, 2015 21:14
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Lol at believing that NFL teams only bring in a few million a year in profit. If cities and such are gonna pay for stadium costs they should also get a proportional cut of the profits. None of this "it will increase local economic activity!" handwaving bullshit, a direct cut of the profits.
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Brannock posted:Lol at believing that NFL teams only bring in a few million a year in profit.  with both points.
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Brannock posted:Lol at believing that NFL teams only bring in a few million a year in profit. That is how the Braves had it arranged with ATL. Trouble is it affected how much money they could use to pay players. Baseball and luxury taxes are a different animal, though.
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http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/7/20/9006401/nfl-teams-revenue-tv-deal-7-billionquote:Since 1997, American taxpayers have contributed a total of $4.7 billion for NFL stadiums. quote:The NFL split a massive $7.24 billion in 2014 revenue with all 32 teams. I'm going to take this opportunity to make some selective quotation, as it goes: Volkerball posted:Re: Stadium chat, it feels good to just say "Owners should pay for everything, they're rich," but it's naive. 19 NFL owners have less than $2b in total assets, not including the Packers. A stadium today costs about a billion. Many of these teams are inherited from men who got into football when it wasn't insanely expensive, and football teams aren't absurdly profitable. The average NFL team is worth $1.43b. So people having to liquidate their holdings and lose hundreds of millions of dollars to build a stadium isn't the exception to the rule, it's what would happen in most cases. You build the stadium, you lose hundreds of millions of dollars, and you don't own the team anymore. Who's going to do that? The reality is many, many teams would just do what Mark Davis ($500m in assets) is doing, and run lovely old stadiums into the ground because they can't get a deal done for anything better. Eventually, the team would be dissolved because there's no feasible way to build a stadium.
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Force them to sell the team to some richer rear end in a top hat that has a billion to burn. Problemo solved. Don't teams alway have a bidding war when they go up for sale? I am not crying for any broke rear end NFL owner who can't afford to own a team.
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Sash! posted:I don't get to a lot of sporting events, but I've been inside five NFL stadiums, three MLB stadiums, two hockey arenas, and two college football stadiums. Everything from mixed used nightmares like whatever Dolphins Stadium is currently called and Three Rivers to gleaming monuments to the hubris of man like Nats Park and Heinz Field to the titanic monstrosities that are Beaver Stadium and Neyland Stadium. I've sat in the peasant rabble of the deck above the upper deck to being able to put my feet up on the dugout roof or heckle players on the sideline and have them hear me. The club levels I've been on made me wonder why those people were even at the game in the first place. You can sit at a bar and watch the game literally anywhere. The only experience I haven't had in a stadium is sitting in a luxury box. you can get a primanti's sandwich and good beer at PNC Park without having to be in the ritzy seats, and if the hubris of man is a ball park that feels like 1950 inside, then may i die from my hamartia
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Primanti's is gross and for tourists; you go to Peppi's instead and get a Roethliburger.
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Jul 22, 2015 04:32
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Sash! posted:Primanti's is gross and for tourists; you go to Peppi's instead and get a Roethliburger. I like Primanti's. I also like Sheetz, but I mean I can get that any time now. Also Fries on Sandwiches are the bestest. Also what's with our fair cities and big rear end slices of bread? Melt's Bar and Grilled uses the same type, but are a completely different brand of sandwich.
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Jul 22, 2015 04:36
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zen death robot posted:How the gently caress did the Lions actually lose money? They're the Lions. It is their nature to lose.
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Jul 22, 2015 09:08
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zen death robot posted:How the gently caress did the Lions actually lose money? Easy, they didn't. If it's in some book as a loss, then it's an accounting gimmick.
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I don't know about mlb, but nfl profit shares ticket revenue on regular seats but not luxury boxes. So it's in the owners interest to build these monstrosities  .Why the niners moved to santa clara is the same reason the Warriors want to move from the completely adequate oracle arena across the bay to san francisco. They want to be where the rich people are. Really the only reason the pleb seats are there at all is you need sell out to get that sweet sweet tv revenue. New stadiums aren't for you, they're for rich people. Let the rich people pay for them.
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If rich people paid for things they wouldn't be rich now would they? Rich people are good at getting other people to pay for things.
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Oracle Arena is 50 years old and was last renovated 20 years ago Its not insane that they are looking to build a new arena
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The Glumslinger posted:Oracle Arena is 50 years old and was last renovated 20 years ago And it's completely privately financed and in an area I'd rather hang out before and/or after the gane
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Sash! posted:Primanti's is gross and for tourists; you go to Peppi's instead and get a Roethliburger. lol no
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Once each game a stupid rich person must be randomly selected from a luxury box. This person will be fed to a hungry predator at halftime. Congrats, you're welcome, I just solved the stadium conundrum. You don't have to build $2B luxury temples any more because nobody wants to be eaten by a crocodile.
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Geez, they'll just transfer all their assets to a homeless guy, who then gets eaten, and his assets are left to the rich guy.
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zen death robot posted:How the gently caress did the Lions actually lose money? They were still something like $200 million in debt from the purchase of Ford Field, so their expenses outweighed their income.
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Volkerball posted:You can do both at the same time. We have that technology. I love the one guy off in the corner actually watching the game.
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Where you want to be: The dude in the cream shorts pees in the pool. Just look at his face.
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Chichevache posted:Where you want to be: This is the one place we totally need that pee - indicating dye.
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Ron Jeremy posted:This is the one place we totally need that pee - indicating dye. That poo poo isn't real
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