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Cumslut1895 posted:Some tools are bad. I am not advocating shaming rape victims (or anyone) into pretending anything, I want people to for reals forgive people. If their rapists life is dependant on their forgiveness then yes shaming someone into forgiving would be appropriette which is an absurd situation I don't think exists in nz.
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klen dool posted:I am not advocating shaming rape victims (or anyone) into pretending anything, I want people to for reals forgive people. If their rapists life is dependant on their forgiveness then yes shaming someone into forgiving would be appropriette which is an absurd situation I don't think exists in nz. well yeah, If you could truly, really get people to forgive their abusers, they wouldn't have the helplessness and sense of shame (to a degree). I just don't see how that could ever happen. I can't imagine I could ever forgive someone if something like that happened to me
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Jul 26, 2015 11:23
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Jul 26, 2015 11:24
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Cumslut1895 posted:well yeah, If you could truly, really get people to forgive their abusers, they wouldn't have the helplessness and sense of shame (to a degree). I just don't see how that could ever happen. I can't imagine I could ever forgive someone if something like that happened to me Empathy is required in order to forgive. I've certainly forgiven people for things as bad as child abuse.
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Jul 26, 2015 11:24
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hey whatever, this is interesting.
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Jul 26, 2015 11:24
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klen dool posted:Empathy is required in order to forgive. I've certainly forgiven people for things as bad as child abuse. I am entirely capable of empathy. I guess maybe I do have a problem with letting thing go, apparently. and sorry for using child abuse as an example so much if it happened to you.
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Jul 26, 2015 11:25
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Cumslut1895 posted:Yes. (and I know I said I'd support them earlier, but I would have considered a different set of evidence reliable if I lived back then) SUPER GUILTY MEGA GUILTY ULTRA GUILTY  GUILTY SPREE
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Jul 26, 2015 11:28
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Brain In A Jar posted:SUPER GUILTY you get a free police UAV
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Jul 26, 2015 11:29
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I've thought about the possibility of an extra-super-guilty verdict before actually in association with executions for Breivik sort of crimes. I'm not opposed in principle.
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Jul 26, 2015 11:35
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Cumslut1895 posted:that is loving insane to me. Can I shoot someone, set them on fire then bury them without having wanted to actually kill them? Has anyone ever tried to commit murder? I intentionally didn't reveal why the assault happened, but in a suitable twist it was because his father had been murdered by the other gang. All you are arguing for is formalising this cycle of violence.
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Jul 26, 2015 11:35
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Ratios and Tendency posted:I've thought about the possibility of an extra-super-guilty verdict before actually in association with executions for Breivik sort of crimes. there's literally no question of his guilt. anyway, this seems to be over, so let's leave this thread on a positive note: 
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Jul 26, 2015 11:36
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Thanks for leaving all this trash on the floor. Real pleasure.
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Jul 26, 2015 11:38
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Cumslut1895 posted:How much did people stick to the law in deciding stuff? Strictly. (Content warning: sexual abuse case) The fact is, Cumslut1895, what happens at a trial isn't a clean discussion of a huge amount of really obvious evidence. In most cases (you know, the ones that don't make headlines in other countries), there's a few witnesses, a couple bits of evidence, and a lot of talking. Witnesses tell stories. Those stories are then torn apart by the opposing counsel. In this case, it was a woman in her late twenties discussing what happened to her when she was about 4 to 10. There were five charges, three witnesses, two piece of evidence. The woman got up on the stand, told her story, and then was repeatedly brought to tears as the opposing counsel poked tiny little holes in side details and proceeded to use those to tear the entire story apart. The jury ended up getting very heated- two of the charges were basically unproven and unprovable, but three were (in my mind) both too plausible to dismiss easily and too strange to be seen as making poo poo up. One of the pieces of evidence was a photograph of a location where the victim claimed one of the events had happened. Strictly speaking, it was different than how she described it. That was enough to punch a hole in her story. The fact is we were dealing with sorting through two-decade-old scraps of memory here- memories formed by someone who was a child at the time. Children are prone to see things inaccurately, or to form memories of things that were not true. The other witnesses were a police officer who basically vouched for the defendant, and the victim's mother, who basically could only corroborate one of the events that the victim described. We ended up deciding guilty for that single charge. I remember there was this guy sitting next to me, the last one to still believe that the other two events happened. Incidentally, one of those events was her claiming that the defendant would watch her ninja-climb walls, then put his hand up her skirt. He said, "Why would she make something like that up? It's too strange." I told him, "Most of us know that something probably happened, but we just can't say that it definitely did. That's reasonable doubt." And that was enough. Four not guilty, one guilty. The defendant, incidentally, was the victim's father- DNA testing wouldn't have shown poo poo even if it was common at the time, and the events in question were not the sort that would leave physical marks. But he was a loving creep- smiling the entire time she gave testimony, glaring at his wife as she told her part of it, smugly never taking the stand. In the end, justice was done. The events were too far back, and too blurry, to say for certain if they really happened- except for the one where someone else saw it too. Our justice system is not built on the idea that we get easy cases that make headlines all over the world. We can't key the entire system for the one slam-dunk headline case where the prosecution racks up enough Evidence Points to hit the Super-Duper-Guilty Jackpot, pull the Lever of Justice, and send the Evil Baddy to the Wheel of Punishment. We have to build our justice system on the assumption that it is mostly going to be trying to set things right for forgetful people who believe that they have been wronged. It is built on the idea that most people are a little bit wrong and a few people are a whole lot wrong. We have to try to do the best by everyone. That means, regardless who the victim, or the police, or anyone else says did it, we start from the assumption that they did nothing wrong. That also means that we let witnesses speak for as long as it takes. That means we keep people alive, in case it comes out later that they did nothing wrong. The one positive thing I will say about prisons is that they are reversible in the case of mistakes. Cumslut1895 posted:I am entirely capable of empathy. I guess maybe I do have a problem with letting thing go, apparently. A lot of people have this problem. The trick that I've found is to stop thinking of people as 'psychopaths' or 'murderers' or 'rapists' and use the terms 'person with psychopathy' or 'person who has murdered' or 'person who has raped.' Use the shorthand if needed, but try not to let your brain think of people in terms of caricatures. Most crimes are desperate, most criminals are desperate, and most of them are moral enough to hate what they have done. The last thing any of us want is for someone who has done wrong and is genuinely remorseful- who wants to be repaired- to turn away from society. A healthy society should not be the enemy of its people. It should be the enemy of some of their deeds, but not them. There should always be a way for someone who has done wrong to make things right. We do not have the right, nor the foresight, to declare someone hopeless and unable to change.
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Jul 26, 2015 11:38
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oohhboy posted:Thanks for leaving all this trash on the floor. Real pleasure. hey what do you want from me I gave you a picture of a cute animal
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Jul 26, 2015 11:38
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I am sure that a cute animal picture is enough to make up for all the crimes you committed in this thread.
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Jul 26, 2015 11:44
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Cumslut1895 posted:hey what do you want from me I gave you a picture of a cute animal 
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Jul 26, 2015 11:46
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edit: nevermind just enjoy Xena 
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Jul 26, 2015 11:58
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New Zealand Politics: John Key's son is a goon
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Jul 26, 2015 12:12
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Ghostlight posted:Wow, we have all been busy beavers today.
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Jul 26, 2015 12:23
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Well, that was a fun time of playing Mordor, let's see what happened in-
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Jul 26, 2015 13:09
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Can we please not say content warning or trigger warning it's gay as a pejorative as all hell. My suggestion for law reforms in NZ is to do what the Scandinavians did with traffic fines by linking the fine to offender's income / net worth. That is good in this poster's opinion.
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Jul 26, 2015 14:52
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puchu posted:Can we please not say content warning or trigger warning it's gay as a pejorative as all hell. 
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Jul 26, 2015 15:48
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Man, I'm genuinely disappointed, I saw the 100s of new replies and thought something huge had happened like John Key made himself king for life or Hamilton exploded due to the whole city just being a front for a giant meth lab. But instead I get this dumb poo poo, for shame thread
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Jul 26, 2015 19:51
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I called it from the start, but people kept trying to engage with it. Wasn't JK poised to announce something?
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Jul 26, 2015 20:01
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mirthdefect posted:I called it from the start, but people kept trying to engage with it. Immigration policy that incentivises moving out to the regions rather than settling in Auckland. So basically, stealing opposition policy and trying to claim it as his own idea, again.
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Jul 26, 2015 20:24
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I well and truly thought someone had assassinated JK or something and then I clicked the thread.
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Jul 26, 2015 20:59
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mirthdefect posted:I called it from the start, but people kept trying to engage with it. I heard he's going to announce New Zealand's upcoming movement towards a trampoline based economy with a particular focus on exporting rad backflips
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Jul 26, 2015 21:08
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Slavvy posted:I well and truly thought someone had assassinated JK or something and then I clicked the thread. Sorry
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Jul 26, 2015 22:14
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Cumslut1895 posted:there's literally no question of his guilt. Of course there is. There are many thing which can mitigate someone's guilt. Mental and physical illness (think brain tumour) can drastically change how people behave - yeah its pretty rare, but sometimes the most extreme crimes have extreme causes. There are many serial killers who have been found to have had tumours post mortem that could have explained their behaviour, for example.
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Jul 26, 2015 22:30
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I should have known 130+ new posts over the weekend meant a poo poo-storm and not something actually worth my time 
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Jul 26, 2015 23:48
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klen dool posted:Of course there is. There are many thing which can mitigate someone's guilt. Mental and physical illness (think brain tumour) can drastically change how people behave - yeah its pretty rare, but sometimes the most extreme crimes have extreme causes. There are many serial killers who have been found to have had tumours post mortem that could have explained their behaviour, for example. Guilt in a strictly physical sense, there's no chance it wasn't him.
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Cumslut1895 posted:Guilt in a strictly physical sense, there's no chance it wasn't him. He carried out the acts he is accused of, yes.
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Jul 27, 2015 01:50
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its madness to not support a free trade agreement
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Jul 27, 2015 08:39
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echinopsis posted:its madness to not support a free trade agreement It's madness to support anything which inherently signs away New Zealand's sovereignty.
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Jul 27, 2015 10:01
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It's madness to listen to a lying sack of garbage in human form when he tells you he's got new Zealand's best interests in mind.
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Jul 27, 2015 10:04
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Somfin posted:It's madness to support anything which inherently signs away New Zealand's sovereignty. I know right
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Jul 27, 2015 10:07
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The really interesting thing about the TPPA is that even people who are obviously pro FTAs are coming out and questioning what we're actually going to get out of the TPPA.
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It's a free trade agreement with the world's largest economy. What's not to love
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