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I feel like 95% of torture porn movies people like, they always say "It's not actually torture porn". Outside of like, Toetag stuff or whatever.
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justlikedunkirk posted:Eli Roth is a hack who's ridden off the success of his two vastly overrated films. The Green Inferno is yet another hacky movie by him. It's full of bad acting, bad directing, terrible writing, and good gore FX. And if you want to know about the marketing campaign (I'll spoil in case anyone is sensitive, but I'm not gonna go into details) the film deals with student activists who stop a corporation from tearing down a forest that a native tribe lives in, only to find out the tribe is cannibalistic after they're captured by the natives. So it's just Roth doing a "ha ha bet you wish you didn't protect those natives now!" bit, which could be taken as Roth supporting wiping out Amazonian tribes, but he's too loving stupid to make a statement like that. He just enjoys lame ironic fates for his characters. So it's literally that one Southpark episode.
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Jul 28, 2015 09:15
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Hat Thoughts posted:I feel like 95% of torture porn movies people like, they always say "It's not actually torture porn". Outside of like, Toetag stuff or whatever. I mean the basis of the "genre" is that it has no redeeming qualities past gore. Toetag stuff is pretty much the only thing that can be objectively called torture porn; Hostel and Saw and The Collector and whatnot are just mean-spirited, gory horror movies.
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Jul 28, 2015 09:42
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The reason the term "torture porn" kinda kicked off with Hostel is because Hostel features several scenes where nothing at all is going on except someone is strapped to a chair being tortured. I'm not saying the film has no redeeming qualities but when I watch it I don't have a hard time understanding why someone might have come up with that term to describe it.
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Jul 28, 2015 14:11
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Monkeyman1138 posted:I feel like people get really angry about Roth for no real reason. I enjoy his commentaries and interviews, probably more than his films. I don't always agree with him (as I've said, sometimes he has this weird douchey persona), but he knows his stuff and he's funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xxVdwP3vvM InfiniteZero fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Jul 28, 2015 |
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Jul 28, 2015 14:31
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LORD OF BUTT posted:I mean the basis of the "genre" is that it has no redeeming qualities past gore. Toetag stuff is pretty much the only thing that can be objectively called torture porn; Hostel and Saw and The Collector and whatnot are just mean-spirited, gory horror movies. It's horror. What's your point exactly?
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Jul 28, 2015 15:00
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InfiniteZero posted:I enjoy his commentaries and interviews, probably more than his films. I don't always agree with him (as I've said, sometimes he has this weird douchey persona), but he knows his stuff and he's funny. 404 on your vidja.
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Jul 28, 2015 16:49
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Roth was good in Death Proof.
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Jul 28, 2015 17:08
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K. Waste posted:Roth was good in Death Proof. I actually think he's a better actor than director. He has a natural energy that translates on-screen. Also I'll never be able to completely hate the guy because he interned on Howard Stern.
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Jul 28, 2015 17:19
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Wikipedia posted:In 2001, Cabin Fever, produced by Lauren Moews of Tonic Films and executive-produced by Susan Jackson, was made on a budget of $1.5 million raised from private investors. Jackson, who brokered the deal, sold the film to Lionsgate at the 2002 Toronto Film Festival for $3.5 million, the biggest sale of that year's festival. Released in 2003, it was Lionsgate's highest grossing film of the year, earning $22 million at the U.S. box office and $35 million worldwide. Lionsgate stock rose from $1.98 a share when it bought Cabin Fever to nearly $6 a share after the film was released; the company used its new net worth to buy Artisan Entertainment.[12] Cabin Fever made Roth a star in the horror genre. In a 2004 Premiere Magazine interview, Quentin Tarantino called it his favorite new film and Roth "the future of horror. That definitely explains the hype machine surrounding him - crazy good fundraising and helping movie studios profit tenfold off of a gross-out horror movie by an unknown director. It also explains why Lionsgate jumped headfirst in to the Saw franchise immediately after the success of Cabin Fever. Hell, James Wan's career is kind of similar to Roth's.
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Jul 28, 2015 17:26
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epoch. posted:404 on your vidja. YouTube was being really weird this morning. Should be fixed now.
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Jul 28, 2015 19:01
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Whatever happened to that cabin fever remake?
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Parachute posted:It's horror. What's your point exactly? My point is that, outside of Toetag poo poo and Guinea Pig, torture porn is quite literally a fake genre. It does not exist. Like you (apparently) agreed, most films that get called "torture porn" as if this makes them separate from "classy" horror are just mean-spirited and gorier than their contemporaries.
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Jul 28, 2015 20:20
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I would generally agree that "torture porn" is more a derogatory label than any real genre, but the fact that we've literally had people in this thread discuss their favorite torture porn movies (and describe them as such) gives me pause.
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Jul 28, 2015 20:27
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Well I finally watched Ju-On on Netflix last night. I know I'm ridiculously late to the party on this one but... wow that was a great movie. The American version (The Grudge) was so bad I didn't expect much, but I enjoyed every minute. Probably my favorite shot in the movie (spoiled in case anyone else is 15 years behind the times) 
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Jul 28, 2015 20:29
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Gaz2k21 posted:Whatever happened to that cabin fever remake? It's been finished. I'm pretty sure that a couple of months back Roth tweeted that the score was being started. It's an interesting experiment being that supposedly a lot was changed. But then I like Cabin Fever anyway (It's less a horror and more just a schocky comedy, even though it does contain death by rabid dog, which is up there as one of my biggest fears).
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Jul 28, 2015 21:16
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Jmcrofts posted:Well I finally watched Ju-On on Netflix last night. You should watch the original TV movies. They somehow manage to be even better.
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LORD OF BUTT posted:My point is that, outside of Toetag poo poo and Guinea Pig, torture porn is quite literally a fake genre. It does not exist. Like you (apparently) agreed, most films that get called "torture porn" as if this makes them separate from "classy" horror are just mean-spirited and gorier than their contemporaries. I see what you're trying to say, but Hostel was advertised specifically as a movie whose selling point was torture. Do you think calling it "torture porn" is selling it short? Do you think the advertising materials are selling it short?
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DrVenkman posted:It's been finished. I'm pretty sure that a couple of months back Roth tweeted that the score was being started. Awesome, I really enjoy Cabin Fever apparently the remake was based on the original script rather than the final movie which is cool as a more serious horror movie about a flesh eating disease could be along of fun.
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Jul 28, 2015 21:58
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I think one of the more telling divides between what is torture porn and what isn't is the Saw franchise - the first one wasn't, and barely had any gore in it. It was more psychological than anything. All of its sequels were increasingly elaborate torture devices that lingered on their functions, where the original had none of that except the reverse bear trap. In the subsequent movies the key selling point was the traps and what crazy devices and gory deaths will happen, rather than the more subtle feel of the first one.DrVenkman posted:It's an interesting experiment being that supposedly a lot was changed. But then I like Cabin Fever anyway (It's less a horror and more just a schocky comedy, even though it does contain death by rabid dog, which is up there as one of my biggest fears). I don't know that a remake could capture the absurd comedy of the original, even if it's done by the same people. There's a lot of subtle WTF comedy in the first hour or so that doesn't quite clue you into the joke, but by the tail end of the third act it's a full-blown comedy. It just pretends to take itself seriously at first, but can't quite help cracking a few smiles. sticklefifer fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Jul 28, 2015 |
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Jul 28, 2015 21:59
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I find of feel like "torture porn" is a very self-conscious label. There are important differences between watching torture and rape, but they both boil down to seeing sadistic power fantasies played out on screen.
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Jul 28, 2015 22:57
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Hodgepodge posted:I find of feel like "torture porn" is a very self-conscious label. There are important differences between watching torture and rape, but they both boil down to seeing sadistic power fantasies played out on screen. Torture scenes are all about great acting, cinematography, Foley, gore, etc. Sure they're gross but they're usually so ridiculous as to dip into comedy. Rape scenes have to make you feel just as nasty with little or no gore. Plus it's too easy to imagine poo poo like that really happening in real life. It's like the first and second half of I Spit On Your Grave (2010). If you can make it through the awful rape segment you're rewarded with a bunch of zany tortures to laugh away the tears.
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Jmcrofts posted:Well I finally watched Ju-On on Netflix last night. I came to this thread to post about this 13-year-old movie that I spontaneously decided to rewatch two hours ago and there was already a post about it on this page! I liked Ju-on, and the sequel, and I even liked one or two parts of the American remake (I feel like it incorporated parts from the sequel but I might be misremembering that). I like anything that can still manage being scary in crowds/daylight (e.g. some parts out of The Ring). But this time rewatching Ju-on I can't help but notice how amateurish some parts feel. I mean, some of the horror aspects still work well (I like the entire Hitomi segment) but a lot of it has this kinda hammy acting quality that didn't bother me at all the first time but that I am really noticing now. I still like it! I'm just sayin  e: as for favorite scenes I still like this one too e again: I remember really liking Pulse/Kairo, has anyone seen other stuff this director has done? (ideally not the one titled pervert wars) anime tupac fucked around with this message at 09:49 on Jul 29, 2015 |
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Jmcrofts posted:Probably my favorite shot in the movie (spoiled in case anyone else is 15 years behind the times) This is me and my son, almost every morning.
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anime tupac posted:I like anything that can still manage being scary in crowds/daylight (e.g. some parts out of The Ring). Can we talk a bit about this? The sun sets are really late here currently, and I'd like to watch some good horror movies that aren't set in super dark nighttime. The only ones I've seen, off the top of my head, are Children of the Corn and Duel. I'm assuming Ju-On has some day stuff?
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Jul 29, 2015 12:27
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Grendels Dad posted:This is me and my son, almost every morning. Yeah but who's lying in the bed?
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Jul 29, 2015 13:02
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Buzkashi posted:Yeah but who's lying in the bed? His mother, obvs. It's our way of telling her that breakfast is ready.
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Jul 29, 2015 13:06
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Grendels Dad posted:His mother, obvs. It's our way of telling her that breakfast is ready. Please tell me he makes that creepy throaty noise. That would certainly wake me the gently caress up.
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X-Ray Pecs posted:Can we talk a bit about this? The sun sets are really late here currently, and I'd like to watch some good horror movies that aren't set in super dark nighttime.  Most of the movie takes place at night, but there's a bunch of daytime stuff that people often forget about. Also: Illinois palm trees (not pictured here, but in plain view a bunch of times). Most cannibal films take place during the day too.
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InfiniteZero posted:
Good calls, I forgot about Halloween and Cannibal Holocaust. Texas Chainsaw Massacre is probably a good one, too.
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Jul 29, 2015 14:23
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I lot of the best scenes in It Follows take place during the day, often in places that you don't see used in horror that much like a beach and a crowded high school.
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Jul 29, 2015 14:32
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I liked that remake of The Crazies that came out a few years back. A lot of well-lit horror there.
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Jul 29, 2015 14:44
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So here's a question. I was watching Day of the Dead last night, which I haven't seen in years, and I forgot that John, the only black character in the movie, ends up being the most competent out of everyone and saves the day. Then I realized that in all three of the first "Dead" movies from Romero, the only characters to survive until the end of the movie and are without a doubt the most competent, are all black men. Has Romero ever come out and said this was purposeful decision? Or was it just a coincidence?
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Jul 29, 2015 14:47
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It occurs in Land of the Dead, too.
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Jul 29, 2015 14:54
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Officer Farva posted:Has Romero ever come out and said this was purposeful decision? Or was it just a coincidence? He has said several times that the reason that Duane Jones was the central character in Night of the Living Dead was simply because he was the best actor they could get. I can't speak to the other films.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It occurs in Land of the Dead, too. Holy poo poo. I was kind of disappointed because I thought Land of the Dead didn't follow the same pattern, but you're absolutely right.
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Jul 29, 2015 15:01
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Shanty posted:Please tell me he makes that creepy throaty noise. That would certainly wake me the gently caress up. No, lil Grendel has the voice of an angel. Though I rue the day where I taught him to say "Get up", because I don't need angels to tell me to get up at 5 in the morning. InfiniteZero posted:Most cannibal films take place during the day too. Many Zombie movies do, as well. I was thinking more of 28 Days Later when the question was posted, but then there is always Day of the Dead.
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Jul 29, 2015 15:12
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Officer Farva posted:Holy poo poo. I was kind of disappointed because I thought Land of the Dead didn't follow the same pattern, but you're absolutely right. Big Daddy even pairs off with a white woman right at the start as a sort of joke.
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I've always been of the opinion that Romero is kind of a hack, but I've never seen Martin. Could it potentially change my mind? Last October I watched all three original Dead films for the first time in years and I was most impressed by Day of the Dead. I thought it was pretty great actually. So I really don't have a strong opinion on Romero either way at this point, could go either way.
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Basebf555 posted:I've always been of the opinion that Romero is kind of a hack, but I've never seen Martin. Could it potentially change my mind? Yes. Martin is by far his best film. Romero would be the first person to tell you this.  The whole "this is a vampire film or maybe it isn't?" vibe is really great. People aren't normally interested in ambiguity much either, so there aren't a lot of films that are like it. Good story, good acting, well made. Romero's best.
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