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i am harry posted:
Things are getting better, not worse.
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i am harry posted:Who remembers Cops (the show)? I do. When I had only basic cable I used to watch it all the time. My favorite and most remembered officer (mainly due to recent events) was from Des Moines, IA (I'm in Iowa, so that also helps with the remembering). Almost every time he pulled up to a scene he'd open with, "Hey guys, what's going on?" or "Hi, how's it going?" or "What's up?". Didn't matter if it was a traffic stop or domestic or a stolen car or drunk and disorderly or victim questioning or whatever. Sometimes given the situation at hand he'd need to have his hand on his un-snapped weapon when asking these questions, but those questions worked every time that I remember. Deescalate. I'm seriously thinking about using that word as a signature everywhere always. Deescalate. Deescalate. Deescalate. "Hey guys, how's it going?" ETA: The other reason I remember the guy is that there were plenty of assholes on forces back then. He was unique at the time too. Deescalate. Otteration fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Jul 31, 2015 05:59
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One time a floor manager at a large hardware store deescalated me when I got all worked up because the cashier couldn't process a refund on something she overcharged me for without my phone number and I refused to give it to them because gently caress you Stine you don't need my phone number and neither does China's building 345 or whoever the hackers will be who inevitably wind up with it. All I'm saying is if a dude who gets payed ~$9 with no benefits and no training can do it in his spare time... Vahakyla posted:Things are getting better, not worse. You mean the cops of 1995 would have killed upwards of 800+ people by August instead of the 670 we're hovering near today? i am harry fucked around with this message at 06:18 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Jul 31, 2015 06:14
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i am harry posted:One time a floor manager at a large hardware store deescalated me when I got all worked up because the cashier couldn't process a refund on something she overcharged me for without my phone number and I refused to give it to them because gently caress you Stine you don't need my phone number and neither does China's building 345 or whoever the hackers will be who inevitably wind up with it. The cops of 1995 were probably killing at least at the rate we have today. The difference is that in 1995 there were no body cameras and literally zero social media to bring attention from police abuse to the national stage within hours or even minutes of it happening. What you're experiencing in 2015 is actually all of the abuse that's been happening for years that's only now becoming publicly visible thanks to modern media and technology. The Rodney King trial only occurred as it did because someone just happened to have a camcorder and taped the incident from his balcony; there were no other cameras like dash cams, and the beating would have otherwise gone covered up. It's the same reason people in the US think that we're facing more mass shootings and murders than ever before despite both of these actually being on a decline. As the world becomes more interconnected and global news more accessible, every bad thing that happens everywhere is immediately accessible (for big events like the Ferguson protests, you can even get live footage streamed as it happens). chitoryu12 fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Jul 31, 2015 07:25
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chitoryu12 posted:What you're experiencing in 2015 is actually all of the abuse that's been happening for years that's only now becoming publicly visible thanks to modern media and technology. Yes. I know. I wish someone of volume would call this like it is.
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Jul 31, 2015 07:28
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chitoryu12 posted:The cops of 1995 were probably killing at least at the rate we have today. The difference is that in 1995 there were no body cameras and literally zero social media to bring attention from police abuse to the national stage within hours or even minutes of it happening. What you're experiencing in 2015 is actually all of the abuse that's been happening for years that's only now becoming publicly visible thanks to modern media and technology. The Rodney King trial only occurred as it did because someone just happened to have a camcorder and taped the incident from his balcony; there were no other cameras like dash cams, and the beating would have otherwise gone covered up. Surely though we were reporting riots on the scale of Ferguson - I'm thinking off the top of my head of the riots in Watts or LA. It's not the sort of thing you need modern mass media to communicate.
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Jul 31, 2015 08:17
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Starshark posted:Surely though we were reporting riots on the scale of Ferguson - I'm thinking off the top of my head of the riots in Watts or LA. It's not the sort of thing you need modern mass media to communicate. Around the time the Tea Party started organizing protests there was a big protest for gay rights (don't remember if it was specifically for getting rid of DADT or more a general thing), but I wouldn't blame you if you didn't know even at the time because it hardly got any coverage in the news. Before streaming everything became viable it was very easy to just ignore things you didn't want people to know about.
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Jul 31, 2015 08:22
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Starshark posted:Surely though we were reporting riots on the scale of Ferguson - I'm thinking off the top of my head of the riots in Watts or LA. It's not the sort of thing you need modern mass media to communicate. When there was media coverage (Rodney King), you got riots. Modern mass media (meaning the ability for individuals to bring forward coverage of events) has been critically important to the entire thing over the past year or two.
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Jul 31, 2015 09:34
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Starshark posted:Surely though we were reporting riots on the scale of Ferguson - I'm thinking off the top of my head of the riots in Watts or LA. It's not the sort of thing you need modern mass media to communicate. True, but for the record, the watts and 1992 riots were on a much larger scale than Ferguson, and were a lot more violent and destructive.
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Jul 31, 2015 12:51
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The point is that things like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8CNa_viKg0 e: gosh it's already been 6 years how time flies 
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Jul 31, 2015 16:33
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So what's the under/over on where/when the next major riot is going to be
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Jul 31, 2015 16:50
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Radbot posted:So what's the under/over on where/when the next major riot is going to be i think at least a twelve
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Jul 31, 2015 17:19
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http://www.newnownext.com/gay-man-pulled-from-home-beaten-by-nypd-officers-yelling-human being-in-horrifying-video/07/2015/ There was literally no reason for these officers to do this. This is why I call cops pigs. gently caress the police. I am fuming. I demand these officers to be fired, arrested, and the man in the video to be made a millionaire and the whole NYPD to be purged of any officers with this kind of attitude. Nothing justifies this. It is a hate crime. I will be sure I never call the police again. If they need help, this lesbian won't cooperate. The NYPD have long demonstrated that they cannot be trusted. They'd call me a dyke and beat me too and then lie and frame me. quote:http://www.newnownext.com/gay-man-pulled-from-home-beaten-by-nypd-officers-yelling-human being-in-horrifying-video/07/2015/
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Jul 31, 2015 18:05
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Mandy Thompson posted:http://www.newnownext.com/gay-man-pulled-from-home-beaten-by-nypd-officers-yelling-human being-in-horrifying-video/07/2015/ You can expect the neighbor to be raided shortly and the video confiscated (along with all the computers in his house).
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Jul 31, 2015 18:15
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Mandy Thompson posted:http://www.newnownext.com/gay-man-pulled-from-home-beaten-by-nypd-officers-yelling-human being-in-horrifying-video/07/2015/ They couldn't even come up with a BS charge to blame the beating on. Edit: appears that people are actually accusing Falcone of lying about the police using slurs. 
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Jul 31, 2015 18:22
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i am harry posted:The point is that things like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8CNa_viKg0  Is that some army guys just reverse-carjacking a dude in an unmarked car? What the gently caress?
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Jul 31, 2015 18:52
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Everblight posted:
Unmarked car pulls up, police put man in unmarked car, car drives off, man is never heard from again.
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Jul 31, 2015 20:04
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Grem posted:Unmarked car pulls up, police put man in unmarked car, car drives off, man is never heard from again. The excuse CPD usually gives is that since there are no records you can't request any information pertaining to it.
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Jul 31, 2015 20:10
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Grem posted:Unmarked car pulls up, police put man in unmarked car, car drives off, man is never heard from again. I probably don't want to know the answer to this, but why were the police dressed like Army guys? Even SWAT/milsurp cops have giant POLICE letters on their gear.
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Jul 31, 2015 20:34
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http://www.fox19.com/story/29680189/hamilton-co-prosecutor-no-charges-against-other-officers-in-shooting-of-sam-dubose The two other officers in the DuBose stop will not be charged or disciplined; their statements in the investigation matched the video; I believe, from the press conference announcing Tensing's charging, that they made statements before they saw the video. quote:Deters went on to say that some confusion occurred in the initial incident report but the officers were truthful and honest about what happened in the fatal officer-involved shooting.
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Jul 31, 2015 20:42
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:http://www.fox19.com/story/29680189/hamilton-co-prosecutor-no-charges-against-other-officers-in-shooting-of-sam-dubose The "confusion" was that Kidd either lied initially, or the person taking the report completely botched his statement. C2C - 2.0 fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Jul 31, 2015 20:44
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C2C - 2.0 posted:The "confusion" was that Kidd either lied initially, or the person taking the report completely botched his statement. You're talking about Weibel's report? The sentence, "Officer Kidd told me that he witnessed the Honda Accord drag Officer Tensing, and that he witnessed Officer Tensing fire a single shot."?
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Jul 31, 2015 20:51
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:You're talking about Weibel's report? The sentence, "Officer Kidd told me that he witnessed the Honda Accord drag Officer Tensing, and that he witnessed Officer Tensing fire a single shot."? Yep; from the one I posted up-thread (linked).
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Jul 31, 2015 21:00
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C2C - 2.0 posted:Yep; from the one I posted up-thread (linked). Yeah. That's not enough to even discipline, much less to charge, absent that statement in his actual report, or in subsequent statements to investigators, which per reports, did not happen.
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Jul 31, 2015 21:12
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Its also possible that he characterized it that way initially because that's what Tensing told him happened, people tend to be very suggestible.
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Jul 31, 2015 21:14
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City reaches 3rd deadliest month with 43rd homicide
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Jul 31, 2015 21:45
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Ray Tensing 2014 Traffic Stop with Multiple Rights Violations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt3sYSoV23g Also... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX3va28JpSU
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Jul 31, 2015 21:50
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http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/sc-cop-killed-teen-with-two-shots-to-the-back-during-weed-bust-and-didnt-even-report-it-attorney/quote:The police chief, John Covington, said the officer felt threatened because Hammond drove right at him and fired his gun into the open driver’s side window, killing him. Amazing shooting from the officer to both be in front of the car in fear of his life and able to fire shots through the driver's side window.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:34
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DARPA posted:http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/sc-cop-killed-teen-with-two-shots-to-the-back-during-weed-bust-and-didnt-even-report-it-attorney/ Sometimes the cars are spinning. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-jTywoJrSQ
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Jul 31, 2015 22:49
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Dahn posted:Sometimes the cars are spinning. Thank goodness they had this footage to support the officers story.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:52
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They're doing the thing where they let the LEO have a good long while to hear the outcome of the investigation and make up his bullshit story about what happened to fit in with what's known.quote:The report makes no mention of the shooting, but the police chief said the officer would file a statement about it at some point. Expect a statement after he thinks up a suitable lie that gels with the evidence.
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Jul 31, 2015 22:52
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DARPA posted:http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/sc-cop-killed-teen-with-two-shots-to-the-back-during-weed-bust-and-didnt-even-report-it-attorney/ This happened in my area years ago where an off duty cop who was moonlighting as a security guard stepped in from of a car of kids, shot into it and killed one in the back seat. They were allegedly doing a dine and dash but I don't think that was ever proven. He shoots at the car that was "trying to run him over" but the shots hit the side of the car. The prosecutor decided not to charge since the cop both did exactly what he should have by jumping in front of the moving van putting himself at risk and that since he feared for his life he was right to shoot. Cops are good at hitting the sides of cars that are coming right at them. I suspect gunkata.
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Jul 31, 2015 23:11
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Radish posted:This happened in my area years ago where an off duty cop who was moonlighting as a security guard stepped in from of a car of kids, shot into it and killed one in the back seat. They were allegedly doing a dine and dash but I don't think that was ever proven. He shoots at the car that was "trying to run him over" but the shots hit the side of the car. The prosecutor decided not to charge since the cop both did exactly what he should have by jumping in front of the moving van putting himself at risk and that since he feared for his life he was right to shoot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WkQ4f9G6ok
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Jul 31, 2015 23:21
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:They're doing the thing where they let the LEO have a good long while to hear the outcome of the investigation and make up his bullshit story about what happened to fit in with what's known. That's the exact opposite of what they did with the shooting cop.
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Aug 1, 2015 00:25
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Isn't that directly correlated to the police deciding to not do their jobs because "morale" is down? "Oh so we get punished now for abusing our authority and killing innocent people? You're saying im accountable for my actions now? gently caress THAT IM NOT WORKING FOR REALS ANYMORE THIS IS SOOOOO UNFAIR" Police are like little kids
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Aug 1, 2015 00:34
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AlexanderCA posted:That's the exact opposite of what they did with the shooting cop. Think he was referring to: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/sc-cop-killed-teen-with-two-shots-to-the-back-during-weed-bust-and-didnt-even-report-it-attorney/ Seems like he'll get every benefit of the doubt from the department, even if the shooting looks incredibly bad. However (and wow it's still weird to say) it's South Carolina. It might actually get a fair investigation. Not the UC campus cop. Which while I have my doubts they would've done if it was Proper Cinci PD, I'm glad they let him crucify himself a bit. For a moment the staunch refusal to release video looked like your typical nothing-to-see-here.
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Aug 1, 2015 00:39
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Yeah. That's not enough to even discipline, much less to charge, absent that statement in his actual report, or in subsequent statements to investigators, which per reports, did not happen. I wish they'd release both Kidd & Lindenschmidt's written reports. The only one I've seen is the one I posted earlier; I suppose it was an OIC or something.
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Aug 1, 2015 00:41
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Everblight posted:I probably don't want to know the answer to this, but why were the police dressed like Army guys? Even SWAT/milsurp cops have giant POLICE letters on their gear.
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Aug 1, 2015 00:54
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MariusLecter posted:Ray Tensing 2014 Traffic Stop with Multiple Rights Violations Is it just me or does Tensing look incredibly nervous and insecure once the supervisor shows up? Like almost ready to poo poo himself. A guy with insecurity issues plus a gun.... Yikes.
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Choadmaster posted:Is it just me or does Tensing look incredibly nervous and insecure once the supervisor shows up? Like almost ready to poo poo himself. A guy with insecurity issues plus a gun.... Yikes. http://www.theonion.com/article/insecure-frustrated-bully-with-something-to-prove--33427
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