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theironjef posted:Then the game starts and whoops so much for that. No no I mean, in-game, there's a few occasions where you can try to tell someone what happened, and they're shocked at heavier then air flying machines, but call you Mr loving Liar at orcs being able to fly it, because everyone knows orcs etc, etc, etc
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GMS posted:yeah, I've been awful about updates. Sorry. I've been answering stuff here in the comments and the Far West forums and email, but have dropped the ball on general broadcasts.  He just cannot stop. Surely this time…And no, he's been silent on KS comments for a couple of weeks too, and the Far West forum has been a sea of nothing but botspamming for a month. 
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Jul 31, 2015 05:20
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theironjef posted:Then the game starts and whoops so much for that. Imagine a stick swinging at random gorillas and other palette swapped wildlife, forever.
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Jul 31, 2015 05:29
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Nessus posted:This is usually brought up because you can argue that the Selective Service system in America, which requires all men to register for it (I believe this is necessary for things like voting and drivers' licensure, though you can claim conscientious objector status with some difficulty), is the one institution which does present a discriminatory framework aimed against men, as women would not be drafted to go fight in Bush's oil wars. Fun fact. National Organization for Women testified in front of the Supreme Court arguing that Selective Service should apply to women too. So it's not like feminists have been fighting to preserve that "protection."
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No clearly Selective Service is a misandrist conspiracy perpetuated by the known femininazi enclave that is the US Military.
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gradenko_2000 posted:If all the designer wanted to do was make an improved version of the Three Brown Books, he could well have done that, but the STR limits on women aren't in the original text, they were on some Dragon article or whatever, so the designer made a conscious and deliberate decision to include the rule (even if it is optional). A great example of this is the default setting of Reign, which is weird and exotic and whimsical and fantastic and no one seems to have much of a problem with it - except for the one footnote about how all the cavalry soliders are women because of a widespread folk belief that riding horses makes men impotent and sterile, which makes grogs lose their loving minds. FMguru fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Jul 31, 2015 08:28
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Even funnier is that something actually makes men impotent if they ride astride. It might just be mind over matter, but it still happens. I kind of wonder if the horseback riding thing is related to the fusses I've seen when something-- a class, a kit, a secret society, whatever-- is denied to male characters. I remember a friend getting absurdly indignant over a women-exclusive druidic sect from some magazine, despite them being a mechanically lousy NPC class, and he hasn't got an otherwise groggy bone in his body.
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Bieeardo posted:I kind of wonder if the horseback riding thing is related to the fusses I've seen when something-- a class, a kit, a secret society, whatever-- is denied to male characters. I remember a friend getting absurdly indignant over a women-exclusive druidic sect from some magazine, despite them being a mechanically lousy NPC class, and he hasn't got an otherwise groggy bone in his body.
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gradenko_2000 posted:See, I would understand that Judges Guild or whatever supplement written in the 70s-80s would have some not-cool portrayals of women, but I posted that Zylarthen thing specifically because it was a retroclone published in TYOOL 2014.  I knew it.
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Bieeardo posted:I kind of wonder if the horseback riding thing is related to the fusses I've seen when something-- a class, a kit, a secret society, whatever-- is denied to male characters. I remember a friend getting absurdly indignant over a women-exclusive druidic sect from some magazine, despite them being a mechanically lousy NPC class, and he hasn't got an otherwise groggy bone in his body. Yeah if i wasn't on my phone at the time I would have posted here the PP forums blowing up over racial class restrictions in Unleashed. I think people got wired from 3.5 that they need a class for their concept. There needs to be "two hander fight guy" even though anyone can use a giant weapon and be completely fine. Like it's adventures in the boonies the game isn't supposed to support your plate mail human guy.
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A lot of the racial class restrictions in IK are really dumb though. My group rarely plays with them because it's kind of dumb that a bunch of random classes like Aristocrat are tied by race. I mean there are obvious ones like you have to be Menite to be an order of the fist, but last game one of our players played an Iosan order of the fist who was an orphan who was raised by a wandering monk in the mountains (because kung fu movies). So it's just a little annoying that they seem to bar off a bunch of cool race/class combinations (who wouldn't want to be a Gatorman Aristocrat Gunslinger or similar) just cause.
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As long as the forums are in the grips of the SJW, the feminist, and the alternative-lifestylers, what could be done to improve this place? Not everyone who comes here is an atheist, or a feminist, or a liberal, or LGBTQ, or an SJW, or pro-choice. It is wrong to allow those groups to shout down all others. Moreover, as long as the mods are in the pocket of the those groups, I repeat the question.... But there is hope. Fan Action broke the grip on the Hugo Awards.
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FMguru posted:I've always found that the true measure of a grog is where they set the dividing line between what does and doesn't satisfy their suspension of disbelief. This guy's game has all kinds of things left as abstractions because hey, it's just a game - but man, it was really important to him to put those STR limits on women in there. Flying wooden ships that regularly sail between spheres of reality on rivers of magical energy? Awesome, it's fantasy, don't worry about it. Women fighting with swords? URRGH MY IMMERSIONISM HAS BEEN SHATTERED, how can I possibly play this game that violates verisimilitude everywhere I look. That's loving incredible. I kind of want to make a setting with a matriarchy of some kind, just to make people lose their poo poo. Did you know that there were people who thought all kinds of bad things would happen to ladies who rode bikes? That's unrelated, the horse thing just reminded me.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:A lot of the racial class restrictions in IK are really dumb though. My group rarely plays with them because it's kind of dumb that a bunch of random classes like Aristocrat are tied by race. I mean there are obvious ones like you have to be Menite to be an order of the fist, but last game one of our players played an Iosan order of the fist who was an orphan who was raised by a wandering monk in the mountains (because kung fu movies). So it's just a little annoying that they seem to bar off a bunch of cool race/class combinations (who wouldn't want to be a Gatorman Aristocrat Gunslinger or similar) just cause.
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Edit: Sorry, Pundit post.
remusclaw fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Brewsuke posted:That's loving incredible. I kind of want to make a setting with a matriarchy of some kind, just to make people lose their poo poo. Did you know that there were people who thought all kinds of bad things would happen to ladies who rode bikes? That's unrelated, the horse thing just reminded me. Reign actually has a matriarchy as well.
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Brewsuke posted:That's loving incredible. I kind of want to make a setting with a matriarchy of some kind, just to make people lose their poo poo. Did you know that there were people who thought all kinds of bad things would happen to ladies who rode bikes? That's unrelated, the horse thing just reminded me. Grogs are cool with matriarchies as long as they're depicted as weird, sinister, or possibly outright evil (see: drow).
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Aug 1, 2015 00:28
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Don't forget the BDSM overtones.
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Aug 1, 2015 00:40
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Yeah powerful women exist only to satisfy men's sexual fantasies
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It's shameful, I agree. In the olden days, I proudly fought alongside female troops, shoulder to, uh, shoulder. Alas, after a series of deadly blunders caused by distracting low-cut fatigues and lots of harmless pinching, the army decided women weren't fit for service. Not when I'm in charge.
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Aug 1, 2015 01:11
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The ENnies just gave an award to the escapist. What? No, not Escapist Magazine, this one http://www.theescapist.com/
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Aug 1, 2015 03:24
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A website that thinks it's still the 80's in terms of people fearing D&D, that appears to have been last updated in 2004, that only talks about D&D, Call of Cthulhu, GURPs, and a little bit of World of Darkness. I can't imagine a more appropriate website for the ENnies.
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Aug 1, 2015 03:42
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Wait, the eyesore of a website that has barely updated in several years (besides soundbites on Facebook and the like)? What were the other candidates?
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Aug 1, 2015 03:45
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Is there an estimate of how many people thought they were voting for the other Escapist?
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I think the weirdest part is that this is the fourth time it's been in the Ennies. Who nominates it?
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Aug 1, 2015 03:49
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Chances are there was a judge who had a huge thing for that website for whatever reason and kept pushing it until the others agreed to it.
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Rulebook Heavily posted:The ENnies just gave an award to the escapist. quote:FORUM  His Google+ is just all newsclips and silly humor posts related to D&D. It's all so  Oh and so far, not one Google+ post has any comments.
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Nessus posted:I suspect it's either legacy mechanics (in which case piffle, away with it) or "our 3.5 audience immediately made nothing but trollkin warcasters." Oddly enough Warcaster isn't racially locked. Using the base book you can 100% make a legal Trollkin Warcaster, if he's from Cygnar he can even also be a Trencher. So your troll man can be a Warcaster, IE one of the most rare professions and skills in the entire game world. A skill so rare you could cram every IK Warcaster into a Red Lion conference room, and not even one of the big ones, honestly you could probably just all meet at Waffle House or Dennys. Yet under no circumstance can he ever be a Knight. Only the Humans and Iosans really have a true grip on being a noble wandering warrior for justice who uses a sword and shield in plate. I'll accept that there is no real way a troll would ever be a Khadoran Man O War, I can accept that one would probably not be a Paladin of the Wall, but a loving generic-rear end Knight? Does not compute. Plus it seems really lame to lock them out of stuff even if it doesn't make sense in canon. PC's are heroes, that means they are exceptions to the rules of how settings work. Katniss is from a literal slum of dirt farmers yet she becomes a badass archer who starts a revolution, that's why she's the main character. Tony Stark took Aristocrat/Arcane Mechanik which is a fine combo, but there's no reason why Hulk should have been locked out of Alchemist/Pugilist just because Pugilist is a restricted class for Humans, he came up with a cool reason why he was a pugilist and rule of cool should basically always win in fantasy adventure games.
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Credit to dwarf74, I'm making an executive decision that enough of this is grog to pass: https://medium.com/kickstarter/total-party-kill-3898fb82b5fb quote:“We have a stock philosophy in our house, and this is the rule: everybody rolls dice in front of everybody, so there’s no cheating. Most people who cheat in D&D aren’t the players; they’re the Dungeon Masters cheating so they don’t have to kill characters,” says Webb. “But if the game’s not hard, it’s not fun, and the rewards are cheapened.” quote:The best Dungeon Masters invest years and years into ensuring that the worlds of their D&D games can achieve this dream of total immersion. They’ll write backstories for the lowliest barkeep, and draw detailed continental maps with thousands of points of interest and notes about the local animals, foliage, and weather patterns of the various regions. quote:“Everyone had a backstory: the wizard and his warrior buddy, the guy that ran the tavern, the local trader … there were all these stories that your players might never find out about, but it would breathe life into that village, into that adventure, and it made me excited to run it.” quote:“If all you’re going to do is sit around and referee combat for hours, anybody can do that. You might as well ref little league soccer.” quote:For Webb, challenge is everything. He prides his work on being some of the most deadly in the business, and points to S1 — Tomb of Horrors, a module that most players scoff at as an impossibly difficult toy for sadist Dungeon Masters, as his gold-standard of adventure design. He believes that the game has softened up over the years, allowing players to survive things that would have resulted in a Total Party Kill (TPK) in earlier editions. quote:Following in her father’s footsteps, Jillian has started to DM games with family, friends, and even strangers at conventions. Webb reports that she’s built up some notoriety in that convention circuit. “I don’t think I’ve ever had anyone make it out of one of my convention games alive,” Jillian says. “I’m always rooting for the players, but they always head into trouble.” And bringing the conversation back to the real arbiter of every D&D game, she adds, “Everybody just sort of rolls unlucky.” 
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El Estrago Bonito posted:Oddly enough Warcaster isn't racially locked. Using the base book you can 100% make a legal Trollkin Warcaster, if he's from Cygnar he can even also be a Trencher. The restriction is in the description of Trollkin, not in the class requirements. According to the book, Gobbers and Ogrun can't be gifted at all, and Trollkin and Nyss can't be Warcasters. Trolls also can't be Arcanists or Arcane Mechanics, and Nyss are hilariously restricted, I believe to exclusively Sorceror and Priest from the gifted options. theironjef fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Aug 1, 2015 |
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The Unleashed races are even more hilariously restricted. Each race has multiple unique classes avaliable only to them, some of which tread on the same territory in multiple respects but for one or two unique abilities. Also the game's gunmage equivilent is restricted to a single race/gender combo.
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As much as I love IKRPG, it suffers from a few issues. Being hesitant to let players and DMs expand the world a little is one, and the other is basically just "this game is really hard to play without standing during combat."
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theironjef posted:The restriction is in the description of Trollkin, not in the class requirements. No Quarter 60 gives them an Everblight Warlock option. 
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gradenko_2000 posted:Credit to dwarf74, I'm making an executive decision that enough of this is grog to pass: But worldbuilding is fun  The TPK and "USE YOUR BRAAAAAAAAAINS" thing is groggy and the "You can only run a game with hours of worldbuilding!" is stupid, but yeah, having an idea of how a village works even if your PCs are never going to get into the interrelationships or working out how weather works in a fantasy region can all be fun exercises. It's not really any different from thinking up builds or character concepts if you're usually on the player side of things.
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Yeah, that article's not very groggy, but it's a long and slow accretion of a dozen or so signifiers. The big one for me is that no one in it considers for a moment that there might be games other than D&D. Also, I ran Rappan Athuk for a group back in university. It was a direct conversion of an old school crawl to 3.0 and while it was kind of fun it showed a total lack of understanding regarding any aspect of the new rules. It was just 'swap out the stat blocks and get it published'. It also placed the seeds of me thinking about killer dungeons vs killer GMs, but I'm phone posting and this is the wrong thread for that kind of pontificating anyway. (It did produce some fun stories, though, despite being broken as gently caress.)
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So, there's an oncomming orc army and the Ranger - who specialises in orcs - wants to ride on to scout the army then go off to find allies and bring them back for a cool moment of glory. The DM nods, then when they leave, the orc army attacks and the other PCs hold them off, making the ranger useless. On top of that the whole thing took literal hours that the ranger spent doing nothing. hosed up right? Well...quote:D&D is a game that works best when played as a group. quote:Yes. Barging off on your own on a self-invented side quest can have that effect. Gandalf did not participate in the battle of Helms Deep. quote:Shake it off man, You gambled and lost. It's no big deal. You assumed all over the place and paid the price for it. Once I did the same thing and wanted to run back to town and grab a item I had left behind. Had to abandon that character and make another as before I could make it back the entire party took off in the wilds outside of Waterdeep in a fragging Spelljammer! My next character was a Griff for Gods sake! Who could have called THAT? quote:If you want to be included then don't exclude yourself. How many PC's are there in your group? If there are 4 and the session is about 4 hours long then going off alone should get you roughly and hour of play time and three for the group. That is how I handle split groups. Equal time for all players. Anyone wanting more than their fair share of time can suck it. GMS CAN DO NO WRONG! HOW DARE YOU DESIRE A MOMENT TO SHINE! YOU SUFFER FOR YOUR INSOLENCE!
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ProfessorCirno posted:
Uhhhhhh what? I'm pretty sure Gandalf showed up at the Battle of Helm's Deep and saved everyone's bacon. Truly a shameful grog.
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Kurieg posted:The Unleashed races are even more hilariously restricted. Each race has multiple unique classes available only to them, some of which tread on the same territory in multiple respects but for one or two unique abilities. Also the game's gunmage equivilent is restricted to a single race/gender combo. I like it. It shows how there's no cultural homogeneity between the peoples actually trying to eat each other in some cases.
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Reskinning is for rollplayers! posted:This is ROLLPLAYING. The book describes a rogue, the dictionary describes a rogue, you are roleplaying someone who is NOT a rogue, you're roleplaying someone from CSI. I wouldn't disallow you progressing as a rogue, I would tell you that this character is NOT a rogue. In a campaign where rollplaying is more acceptable then fine, but you're picking a class because you want the abilities without being willing to have a personality that fits that class.
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