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Hahaha, trump is incredible. He is calling out all the bullshit while simultaneously embodying all the bullshit. He is a bullshit elemental.
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Aug 2, 2015 17:11
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The media on Clinton Foundation donors: it is important that we report about this, since these donors might have influenced Hillary in some way!!! The media on the mysterious right-wing billionaires who are directly funding and influencing Republican candidates: Whatevs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Aug 2, 2015 17:13
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Rumour has it Gallagher is going to be Trump's running mate if Trump wins the Republican primaries. Gallagher walks onto the stage after Trump does his mind bogglingly rants and goes "This watermelon is the debt" *smash* "We're going to break open the free market" *smashes another watermelon* "This is taxes" *smashes another watermelon* Vote Vermin Supreme
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Aug 2, 2015 17:13
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That's a pretty brilliant tactic on the Donald to attack candidates that way, not going to lie.
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Aug 2, 2015 17:15
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HiHo ChiRho posted:Trump/Biden 2016 Has a sitting President or sitting VP ever changed political affiliations while in office? That would be kind of wild.
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Aug 2, 2015 17:17
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Rocks posted:That's a pretty brilliant tactic on the Donald to attack candidates that way, not going to lie. It's kind of a no-brainer, honestly - of course the self-funded candidate is going to attack the other candidates for relying on wealthy donors. On the plus side, maybe Trump's comments will actually spur the media to actually start covering this stuff and ahahahahaha
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Aug 2, 2015 17:20
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EugeneJ posted:Has a sitting President or sitting VP ever changed political affiliations while in office? Lincoln, technically.
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Aug 2, 2015 17:23
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EugeneJ posted:Has a sitting President or sitting VP ever changed political affiliations while in office? John Tyler was the only President or Vice President to ever leave his party while in office. He was elected as a Whig Vice President, rose to the Presidency after the death of William Henry Harrison, and then pretty soon expelled from the Whig party when he rejected much of the Whig platform (also a lot of people were mad at him for claiming to have the title of official President at all, as opposed to Vice-President-Acting-as-President or something like that). It was part of the general and unpopular mess that was his Presidency.
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Aug 2, 2015 17:28
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I'm imagining a world where Trump steamrolls the rest of the GOP field during the debates while simultaneously turning the repeal of Citizen's United into a bipartisan issue. https://youtu.be/E2VCwBzGdPM?t=21s Edit: Just came across a listing of David Koch's platform from his 1980 VP run which included all the usual libertarian crap about eating the poor, killing Grandma, and keeping children from learning to read - but "Abolish the FAA" was important enough to get a mention too. Okay I get "Abolish the EPA, DoE, FCC, FDA" but I'm surprised the FAA doesn't fly under the radar. Leathal fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Aug 2, 2015 |
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Aug 2, 2015 17:34
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I hope he beats the poo poo out of everyone else at the debate next week.
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Aug 2, 2015 17:35
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DaveWoo posted:The media on Clinton Foundation donors: it is important that we report about this, since these donors might have influenced Hillary in some way!!! They won't give us access if we don't obey their terms! Don't you want us to cover the story?
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Leathal posted:I'm imagining a world where Trump steamrolls the rest of the GOP field during the debates while simultaneously turning the repeal of Citizen's United into a bipartisan issue. Wait. Wait. Do you mean to say Trump has actually come out in opposition to Citizen's United? 
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Equine Don posted:I hope he beats the poo poo out of everyone else at the debate next week. Oh, don't you worry!
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Aug 2, 2015 17:39
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I'm curious how the debate will handle the insults Trump throws at the other candidates and the resulting rush of demands to respond. Ten people is a lot to manage even without someone throwing bombs everywhere.
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Equine Don posted:I hope he beats the poo poo out of everyone else at the debate next week. This, except literally.
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Aug 2, 2015 17:42
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Chris Christie posted:So Bush gave an interview in Spanish for Telemundo and apparently actually had the balls to clearly state his border/illegal immigrant stance for the Latino audience, which I agree with, sans fine. English proficiency and no benefits for illegal entrants to gain legal status is good enough for me. How is this different than the Democratic position (except the 'learn English' part, which I'm not entirely sure is legal)? The daylight between Democrats and sane Republicans on this issue is mostly as to whether to offer a path to citizenship, which is not addressed in that article.
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Sir Kodiak posted:I'm curious how the debate will handle the insults Trump throws at the other candidates and the resulting rush of demands to respond. Ten people is a lot to manage even without someone throwing bombs everywhere. Trump has said he's going to be respectful and calm for the debates, and frankly, that's a great move for him because everyone will be rushing to establish their "dominance" by firing barbs at Trump. If he keeps his composure and looks like the bigger man then he's going to come out with a massive boost from the debate.
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Aug 2, 2015 17:46
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That really is a great Trump tactic. He's going to be able to hammer all of the other candidates on their funding/contributions for the entire campaign cycle. I'm predicting he will directly challenge whichever chump looks at him funny in the debate: "What did you promise the Koch brothers in exchange for their money?" Republican voters (and all voters) will eat that poo poo up in a debate format.
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Aug 2, 2015 17:48
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EugeneJ posted:What the gently caress are "Biden values" They're like Eigenvalues, but with less linear transformation and more Amtrak.
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Powered Descent posted:They're like Eigenvalues, but with less linear transformation and more Amtrak.
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Aug 2, 2015 17:57
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PrBacterio posted:Wait. Not explicitly but he's been making a lot of waves attacking the other GOP candidates for being bought and paid for by big donors. He also has said more general stuff about there being too much money in politics and comparing it to bribery. In the past 12 hours alone his Twitter has 3-4 mentions of it. He apparently doesn't need to have actual policy plans yet so this is probably as close as it gets to him being against CU for now. But his current rhetoric is definitely way outside the GOP establishment's comfort zone; I'm sure if he sees a benefit to explicitly going anti-CU he probably gives no fucks about crossing that line. The big Koch fundraiser in CA he was tweeting about this morning is hilariously shady (the establishment GOP candidates were all present to kiss the rings and select journalists were only allowed to attend on the condition that they not report on the donors at all) so let's hope he brings it up during the debate. Somehow I don't think Walker parroting some pre-digested line about money=free speech is going to go over all that well in response. "I can tell you where all my campaign money comes from, Scott. I can tell the American people right now." *points two thumbs at self*
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Aug 2, 2015 18:01
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Rick Perry's glasses might actually be making him smarter. It's looking like a good idea to do so poorly that you end up in the kiddie debate instead of getting devoured on live TV by Trump.
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Aug 2, 2015 18:06
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CNN asks "What would a Donald Trump administration look like?" http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/02/politics/donald-trump-2016-presidential-election/index.html A pretty good compilation of the things that have Republican strategists and advocacy groups concerned. Trump leaves behind a trail of reversed previous positions and vague current positions. For example: quote:But now, he is vowing to "repeal (Obamacare) and replace with something terrific," explaining that "the answer is going to be we have to knock down the borders and let people compete." Valid things to bring up by CNN. But while conservative serious intellectuals scorn Trump for his policy vagueness, I wonder how many of Trump's base of supporters care.
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Aug 2, 2015 18:06
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Brannock posted:Trump has said he's going to be respectful and calm for the debates, and frankly, that's a great move for him because everyone will be rushing to establish their "dominance" by firing barbs at Trump. If he keeps his composure and looks like the bigger man then he's going to come out with a massive boost from the debate. Pretty big "if," there. I know much of what he does is a calculated act, but deep down the man really is a ignorant blowhard with paper-thin skin, I don't know that he'll be able to resist firing back sneering "I'm so much richer than you losers go gently caress yourselves," or something similar. Not that the base would eat that up, mind, but it does continue to cement his larger image as, well, what I just described above. With regards to Biden entering the race, I should remind everyone of a huge obstacle: the Secret Service won't let him drive his corvette even now, you think they're going to let up if he got to the top office?
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Pretty big "if," there. I know much of what he does is a calculated act, but deep down the man really is a ignorant blowhard with paper-thin skin, I don't know that he'll be able to resist firing back sneering "I'm so much richer than you losers go gently caress yourselves," or something similar. Not that the base would eat that up, mind, but it does continue to cement his larger image as, well, what I just described above. He'll just get a corvette converted into a presidential limo.
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Aug 2, 2015 18:20
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Mirthless posted:For some reason I am still holding out hope that someday we will collectively accept that Reagan was a monster and pictures like this will be a relic of the terrible times our country went through in the leadup and transition to the 21st century. Reagan a monster? Aw shucks~
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I don't care. It's a plus for me. Despite being painted as extreme, he's one of the more centrist candidates running. He's being vague because he doesn't ascribe to the Ron Paul "LET THEM DIE" school of thought on healthcare for the indigent, which still has decent traction in the GOP base.
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Also it's cool that Biden obviously knows his automobiles as evidenced by his superior taste, driving the world's greatest sports car, made right here in America, and not some faggy German or Japanese import. Or overrated Italian sports car like Ferrari, whose factory team got bitch-slapped in GTS racing by the GM factory C5R program.
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Aug 2, 2015 18:28
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DaveWoo posted:Yeah, this is a smart move on Trump's part. How loving chickenshit do you have to be to be afraid of the public knowing your name when you are literally untouchable by the common person. Piece of poo poo cowards.
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Aug 2, 2015 18:32
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mr. mephistopheles posted:How loving chickenshit do you have to be to be afraid of the public knowing your name when you are literally untouchable by the common person. Piece of poo poo cowards.
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Aug 2, 2015 18:35
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JT Jag posted:I'd be willing to wager that some donors there have carefully cultivated a public persona of being either apolitical or even possibly liberal-friendly, and having their names associated with donation to the GOP could potentially harm their brand. Then they shouldn't be doing it.
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JT Jag posted:I'd be willing to wager that some donors there have carefully cultivated a public persona of being either apolitical or even possibly liberal-friendly, and having their names associated with donation to the GOP could potentially harm their brand. Gotta be this. Look what happens when companies like Chik-fil-a or Target are shown to take unpopular political or social positions.
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Chris Christie posted:I don't care. It's a plus for me. Despite being painted as extreme, he's one of the more centrist candidates running. He's being vague because he doesn't ascribe to the Ron Paul "LET THEM DIE" school of thought on healthcare for the indigent, which still has decent traction in the GOP base. Thanks for offering the Republican perspective in this thread. It's appreciated. Since we're talking about health care policy, what do you want to hear from candidates about it? Just Trump's vague status quo support?
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Then they shouldn't be doing it. Oh word?
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MeatwadIsGod posted:Gotta be this. Look what happens when companies like Chik-fil-a are shown to take unpopular political or social positions. Lines out the door at every Chik-Fil-A location in the country? From Wikipedia: Sales soared following the controversy. Sales increased "12 percent, to $4.6 billion, in 2012. The good fortune follows several years of impressive expansion and strong sales, which have pushed the privately held company's valuation north of $4.5 billion, making billionaires out of its founders ... These latest sales data are just further proof that all that negative coverage didn't hurt demand for chicken sandwiches among Chick-fil-A's core consumers."
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William Bear posted:CNN asks "What would a Donald Trump administration look like?" Name two.
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blue squares posted:Lines out the door at every Chik-Fil-A location in the country? Bad example, but you get the idea. These donors don't want disclosure if it might potentially harm their brand or hurt profits.
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bpower posted:Name two. Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer 
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William Bear posted:Thanks for offering the Republican perspective in this thread. It's appreciated. What I want to hear doesn't matter since I'll never hear it, but my personal preference would be: 1. Eliminate Medicaid and simply use ONE program - Medicare. 2. Open up Medicare as a choice to non-retirees on an income-based pricing model, similar to the current federal student loan repayment plans (i.e. what you pay = some % of your income above the poverty line). This takes care of those medicaid patients, as anyone whose income was at or below poverty line would have a $0 payment for medicare. 3. Require Medicare to run in the black, with the income-based formula being adjusted as often as every single year if necessary based on the prior years' expenses and funding (i.e. prevent private insurance from being destroyed via Medicare being artificially underpriced via running massive deficits). Write the law so that this provision is not severable, i.e. Democrats would never be able to destroy the private insurance industry by waiting until they once again hold the presidency and both houses at the same time, and then altering the law to allow the program to run in the red and severely undercharge payings customers. Also cap Medicare payroll taxes at the current rate, so shortfalls MUST be addressed with the pricing formula for non-retirees. Also, means test retirees and have wealthy ones also pay for their medicare. 4. Also include an unseverable provision providing complete choice for providers as well - keep it perfectly legal to operate private practices/hospitals that only accept private payers. And keep it perfectly legal for private payers to negotiate preferential treatment with providers that do accept public patients for the premium prices they pay. i.e. prevent Democrats from forcing everyone to participate equally in mediocrity.
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