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Chris Christie posted:The Koch brothers have spent a total of around $27 Million on GOP candidates, PACs, etc., or about 12% of what the SEIU has spent on Democrats. Two siblings have spent 1/8 of a union with 1.5 million members and I'm supposed to clean what from that, exactly? EDIT: Also, "to glean". To glean what?
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Chris Christie posted:The Koch brothers have spent a total of around $27 Million on GOP candidates, PACs, etc., or about 12% of what the SEIU has spent on Democrats. Is a union of service industry workers really a "big money interest", and is it really reasonable to compare a large organization representing 1.5m people to single donors?
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Beforehand posted:Two siblings have spent 1/8 of a union with 1.5 million members and I'm supposed to clean what from that, exactly? Liberals are the real bad guys?
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AhhYes posted:I agree that there is no difference between two individuals and a union of more than a million workers. Good point. #2, ACT Blue, has spent almost as much combined on Democrats as the top 4 GOP donors. #5, Fahr LLC, has spent 3x the amount on Democrats as the Koch's have on the GOP. It's not just labor unions. In the 2014 election, ACT Blue and Fahr spent almost $150 Million. The Koch's spent $10 Million. Bloomberg spent $28 Million, 95% to Dems. DOUBLE what the TOP GOP spender, Elliott Management (#10 overall in 2014) spent on the GOP. Chris Christie fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Aug 3, 2015 |
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Aug 3, 2015 16:54
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Chris Christie posted:#2, ACT Blue, has spent almost as much combined on Democrats as the top 4 GOP donors. Act blue is like PayPal for donating to democratic candidates, for instance all donations to Bernie's campaign are done through ACT blue.
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Aug 3, 2015 16:58
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GalacticAcid posted:Via The Guardian's Sabrina Siddiqui: Holy poo poo  How did a Walker staffer not intervene? Are they all as dull as their boss?
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Chris Christie posted:The Koch brothers have spent a total of around $27 Million on GOP candidates, PACs, etc., or about 12% of what the SEIU has spent on Democrats. A million people donating a dollar is not the same as one person donating a million dollars. Although unions are imperfect, the political clout they have still represents the will of a good deal of people with the individual power contributed being roughly proportional to that which would be expected of an average person, the difference simply being the organisation involved. A billionaire has massive and disproportionate ability to influence results due to their massive wealth.
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Wrap it up folks, turns out the Democratic party aren't communists, but a bunch of career politicians. Better vote for Jeb!
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Aug 3, 2015 16:59
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I would be remiss if I din't give the 4 liberal SCOTUS justices props for being on the right side of an issue for once, it's the GOP appointees' fault that this garbage is continuing to infect our politics. I hope Trump takes his criticism all the way and comes out in support of a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United.
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Chris Christie posted:#2, ACT Blue, has spent almost as much combined on Democrats as the top 4 GOP donors. You realize that ActBlue is an organization that takes in money from small donors, right?
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That list doesn't include any spending by 501(c) organizations, which is where all the new Citizens United spending is really going. No wonder the unions show up higher you're cutting out a majority of what the kochs and others like them are actually doing.
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Really, if anything it makes me angry that the Democrats could overspend and STILL poo poo the bed on local/state elections. If they got more money, try a little harder on the smaller stage.
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30-40% of Union members vote for the GOP, depending on election cycle, candidate, etc. They're all being robbed blind by their unions that give a hell of a lot more than 60-70% of their total donations to Democratic candidates and PACs gently caress You And Diebold posted:That list doesn't include any spending by 501(c) organizations Which Democrats use just like Republicans. Also they have had an advantage here since the current administration is (a) Democratic, and (b) populated with thugs who enjoy using the IRS as a partisan political tool to target GOP-leaning 501(c)s. Chris Christie fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Aug 3, 2015 |
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Joementum posted:This seems like a really inefficient and fiscally unsound method for cooking bacon. So what's his forums name and which is his favorite thread in TFR?
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Chris Christie posted:30-40% of Union members vote for the GOP, depending on election cycle, candidate, etc. They're all being robbed blind by their unions that give a hell of a lot more than 60-70% of their total donations to Democratic candidates and PACs This isn't right at all, Unions are not allowed to use dues money on political campaigns. This was established by the supreme court a while ago. Instead, they ask people for political donations like everyone else, and they go into a separate fund (SEIU COPE and AFSCME PEOPLE are some big ones there). You, should really take the time to understand the rules and regulations unions have to deal with before posting. Chris Christie posted:Which Democrats use just like Republicans. Also they have had an advantage here since the current administration is (a) Democratic, and (b) populated with thugs who enjoy using the IRS as a partisan political tool to target GOP-leaning 501(c)s. Buuuulllllshiiiittttt The current administration doesn't matter, and there is a huge difference in the undisclosed spending between Republican's and Democrats, you can see this in the % of election spending spent by the actual campaigns vs dark money over the last couple election cycles, (hint, republicans use way more dark money). And secondly, more Democratic leaning organizations were targeted by the IRS than actual Republican ones, only people who only watch fox news don't know that. Fuck You And Diebold fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Aug 3, 2015 |
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Aug 3, 2015 17:08
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Chris Christie posted:populated with thugs who enjoy using the IRS as a partisan political tool to target GOP-leaning 501(c)s. I personally voted specifically for this, so don't hold it against Barack, he's just doing what his constituents elected him to do.
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Aug 3, 2015 17:09
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Chris Christie posted:You guys are all dupes in the pockets of Big Janitor and Big Lunch Lady.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:So what's his forums name and which is his favorite thread in TFR? I think cooking bacon with a hot gun barrel pretty solidly puts him in this thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2862314
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Chris Christie posted:Also they have had an advantage here since the current administration is (a) Democratic, and (b) populated with thugs who enjoy using the IRS as a partisan political tool to target GOP-leaning 501(c)s. Though this may be true in specific instances with reviewers allowing their bias to color the results, if you look at the numbers they actually challenged 501(c)s of either political affiliation and denied more left leaning ones (as a %). They were using lazy "word flags" because they didn't have enough people to properly review everything. And yeah the administration wasn't involved. quote:More Conservative Groups. The evidence also indicates that, from 2010 to mid-2013, more conservative groups than liberal groups filed applications for 501(c)(4) tax exempt status, underwent scrutiny by the IRS during the application process, and won tax exempt status. For example, when the House Committee on Ways and Means reviewed 298 501(c)(4) cases that had been provided to TIGTA, it determined that, as of September 2013, 111 “right-leaning” groups had received tax exempt status, while only 20 “left-leaning” groups did https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1284112-report-irs-amp-tigta-mgmt-failures-related-to.html Nuclearmonkee fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Aug 3, 2015 |
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Aug 3, 2015 17:26
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Chris Christie posted:The Koch's spent $10 Million. Bullshit.
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Chris Christie posted:#2, ACT Blue, has spent almost as much combined on Democrats as the top 4 GOP donors. I want to reiterate this point. You do know ACT Blue is a website dedicated to accepting small donations right? It's like the polar opposite of what your dumb point is, which is dumb. Acknowledge your dumb posting as dumb please.
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Ignite Memories posted:Bullshit. They spent ~412 million actually in 2012 and ~300 million in 2014.  They got a lot more bang for their buck in 2014 and really the real strength of dark money is buying smaller elections. Most of the money they blew in 2012 was for a losing candidate.
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And we haven't even talked about the Democratic Party's standard-bearer, the most cool, hip, and popular Democrat since Kennedy, the Democrat who got a greater % of the vote than any Democrat POTUS candidate in nearly half a century - Barack Hussein Obama. No President has ever done more for Wall-Street or at greater expense to "Main Street." Wall-Street and Big Business should all be saying prayers of thanks every night to Saint Obama. Business is booming while Main Street is being destroyed. Hell, the u3 unemployment rate has literally been rendered meaningless as a measure, thanks to a historically unprecedented and sustained decline in labor force participation, ESPECIALLY among the working-aged population. The economy as a whole is experiencing the weakest recovery since the Great Depression, and of that poo poo "recovery" Main Street is getting nothing but table scraps and the privilege of sniffing Wall-Streets' post-dinner farts. They're making a KILLING while everyone else is suffering. And their prayers continue to be answered. Think it can't get any worse for the American laborer/any better for big business interests? Guess again, Saint Obama and his Democratic Party are here to flood the labor market with even more cheap foreign labor, flood the tech market with even more cheap H1B labor, and rape and pillage the working class with even more garbage trade deals. After all, who cares if American plebes get boned, more money for Democrats, and new voters immigrating to replace any hosed over Americans who finally get fed up with being screwed. And we haven't even talked about the lords of the health insurance industry. Obama and the Democrat passed a decades old, hair-brained, Heritage Foundation knee-jerk reaction to Hillary Care as his "new plan" for healthcare. PPACA. Protecting insurance corps.' regional monopolies, forcing everyone to become a customer, mandating by law more coverage items i.e. higher charges even if some individuals don't need them, etc. Oh, but PPACA sticks it to them too. Sure it does, everybody look over here at this requirement that all but 15% of premiums be spent on care, and don't look over there at the fact that that is about 3 TIMES industry average profit margins. Oh yeah, we're looking out for you. The insurance corps., whose lobbyists wrote this law for our dumb-asses, are real mad about it. Honest.
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Chris Christie posted:30-40% of Union members vote for the GOP, depending on election cycle, candidate, etc. They're all being robbed blind by their unions that give a hell of a lot more than 60-70% of their total donations to Democratic candidates and PACs I would reply but gently caress You And Diebold has already pretty much spelt out why this is really really wrong.
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Chris Christie posted:And we haven't even talked about the Democratic Party's standard-bearer, the most cool, hip, and popular Democrat since Kennedy, the Democrat who got a greater % of the vote than any Democrat POTUS candidate in nearly half a century - Barack Hussein Obama. Why the gently caress do you think so many people are excited about Bernie Sanders?
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Chris Christie posted:And we haven't even talked about the Democratic Party's standard-bearer, the most cool, hip, and popular Democrat since Kennedy, the Democrat who got a greater % of the vote than any Democrat POTUS candidate in nearly half a century - Barack Hussein Obama. I really think that someone calling me stupid who votes Republican because GUNS is particularly rich. Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Aug 3, 2015 |
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How much have the Kochs spent on smaller elections vs unions?
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Nuclearmonkee posted:Though this may be true in specific instances with reviewers allowing their bias to color the results, if you look at the numbers they actually challenged 501(c)s of either political affiliation and denied more left leaning ones (as a %). They were using lazy "word flags" because they didn't have enough people to properly review everything. And yeah the administration wasn't involved.
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Well in terms of Republican and Democratic policies helping/hurting the working class I say we look at two places they have actually played out. Minnesota vs Wisconsin. And after a quick glance we can safely begin burning the Republican party to the ground
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Chris Christie posted:And we haven't even talked about the Democratic Party's standard-bearer, the most cool, hip, and popular Democrat since Kennedy, the Democrat who got a greater % of the vote than any Democrat POTUS candidate in nearly half a century - Barack Hussein Obama. Let me tell you about :bernget:
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Alter Ego posted:Are you suggesting that the Republican Party is better on any of these issues or that they would have been more qualified to clean up the mess they loving created? I can think of one Republican candidate who is unironically better on those issues and he is coincidentally winning the Republican primary
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Well in terms of Republican and Democratic policies helping/hurting the working class I say we look at two places they have actually played out. Minnesota vs Wisconsin. And after a quick glance we can safely begin burning the Republican party to the ground ^ It's plain as loving day. But go ahead and continue pushing the "democrats don't accomplish anything" narrative, i'm sure it has nothing to do with a heavily gerrymandered congress doing everything in their power to prevent the government from accomplishing anything for 8 years
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MrBims posted:Let me tell you about :bernget: I certainly support him for the Democratic nomination. I'd hate for the Democrat to win, but if it happens, better Sanders than someone like Clinton, Biden, or (LOL) O'Malley.
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Chris Christie posted:And we haven't even talked about the Democratic Party's standard-bearer, the most cool, hip, and popular Democrat since Kennedy, the Democrat who got a greater % of the vote than any Democrat POTUS candidate in nearly half a century - Barack Hussein Obama. I just love when idiots emphasize Obama's middle name like it's damning 
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Well in terms of Republican and Democratic policies helping/hurting the working class I say we look at two places they have actually played out. Minnesota vs Wisconsin. And after a quick glance we can safely begin burning the Republican party to the ground I'd argue Kansas as an example of Reaganomics in action works even better, but since Scott Walker is actually running for President Wisconsin works just fine. Nuclearmonkee posted:I can think of one Republican candidate who is unironically better on those issues and he is coincidentally winning the Republican primary I don't care how yooge, classy, and luxurious he makes the VA hospitals  (although it is kinda odd to see a Republican candidate give a poo poo about veterans beyond a loving flag pin)
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:That list doesn't include any spending by 501(c) organizations, which is where all the new Citizens United spending is really going. No wonder the unions show up higher you're cutting out a majority of what the kochs and others like them are actually doing. Ding ding ding.
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Well in terms of Republican and Democratic policies helping/hurting the working class I say we look at two places they have actually played out. Minnesota vs Wisconsin. And after a quick glance we can safely begin burning the Republican party to the ground Query, when exactly did Scott Walker take over for the prior, Democratic governor of Wisconsin? When exactly did the GOP take over Wisconsin??? I don't live there, but Google search tells me that Walker took the top job and the GOP took majorities in both chambers of the legislature in January of 2011. [IMG]  [/IMG]  It's looks to me like the decline in unemployment and the increase in GDP and wages for both states basically mirrors one another since 2011. And in a state (Wisconsin) that is less diversified industrially and more heavily dependent on manufacturing, and with an economic hub (Milwaukee) that isn't as large or prosperous as the Twin Cities. Walker and the GOP inherited a Wisconsin in 2011 that was also less healthy than Minnesota (which impacts public spending) and less educated (which impacts employment, income, etc.). Yet it seems to this outsider that despite these disadvantages, changes in employment, wages, and state GDP basically mirror one another between the 2 states. Chris Christie fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Aug 3, 2015 |
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Alter Ego posted:I don't care how yooge, classy, and luxurious he makes the VA hospitals If by some miracle he became president I could imagine seeing The Donald trying to make some real positive changes mixed in with the batshit ones. Whether the balance would be positive or negative is anyone's guess but if he actually managed to destroy the flow of money into politics that would be hugely positive for the future.
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What about the part where actblue is a non profit donation distribution website that only accept small donations to give to candidates?
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Chris Christie posted:I certainly support him for the Democratic nomination. I'd hate for the Democrat to win, but if it happens, better Sanders than someone like Clinton, Biden, or (LOL) O'Malley. God bless the all-American love of tribalism.
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