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pangstrom posted:I am pretty easygoing about soccer and I'm no prize myself but it's such a downer to have a person on my team who is so bad that passing to them is in effect turning it over. Wow they're open again in miles of space wonder why that is, time for another pity pass? Time to forget to look that way again? It's like you have to keep a separate scoreline in your head. Some people panic when they get the ball and it's not a clear it, or pass it situation. It's just uneasiness and not being confident with the ball at your feet. It'll change eventually.
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Soulex posted:Some people panic when they get the ball and it's not a clear it, or pass it situation. It's just uneasiness and not being confident with the ball at your feet. It'll change eventually. i play on a coed team and one of the girls is just downright useless. she's too uncoordinated to clear or pass it and too unathletic to defend. our game is the only time she ever plays so it'll take years before she can actually contribute. oh well, that's recreational co-ed for you 
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Jul 31, 2015 18:24
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Soulex posted:Some people panic when they get the ball and it's not a clear it, or pass it situation. It's just uneasiness and not being confident with the ball at your feet. It'll change eventually. Olewithmilk posted:Wednesday's outside on astroturf with women/fats/olds who can't really play. No real point to this post, just my 5-a-side tribulations.
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Jul 31, 2015 18:34
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Don't mind me. I don't mind playing with women, some I played with were loving outstanding. We had one, Julie, that could cross the ball and mark it with amazing accuracy. Loved playing with her. I do have bad experiences though. I laughed when one got smacked in the face with the ball from a clearance and she got pissed, really loving pissed that I was laughing. Another one took a dive right near me when I cut in front of her to intercept. She started being super bitchy like "don't loving hit me like that!" and I hadn't even touched her. Whatever.
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Jul 31, 2015 18:41
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I haven't been able to play for two months as I got creamed from the side by a girl who was a foot shorter than me  Severally damaged the tendons on both sides of the foot and also hurt my Achilles and bruised the bone. Probably been less injured if she'd hit me with her car
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Aug 1, 2015 01:03
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I understand the frustration of playing with people that are a guaranteed turnover. I deal with it now by mentoring them on the field. If they know they are bad they respond well. I pass it to them and encourage them to pass early. I run to them to always give them a short option. The end result has been these less skilled fullbacks end up better than the midfielders we have that don't understand short passing and moving off the ball. This is a long process on a two season a year team. If it's pick up game just go steal the ball from them.
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Aug 4, 2015 15:48
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cosmicjim posted:I understand the frustration of playing with people that are a guaranteed turnover. I deal with it now by mentoring them on the field. If they know they are bad they respond well. I pass it to them and encourage them to pass early. I run to them to always give them a short option. The end result has been these less skilled fullbacks end up better than the midfielders we have that don't understand short passing and moving off the ball. Did they just end up in the fullback position? Cause that's where my coach put me when he thought I needed fitness. I wasn't 1st team so I wasn't allowed to have blood bags yet.
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Aug 4, 2015 16:37
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Bad players get put at the left and right fullback on most teams in our league. Most teams are bad. Our league has about 4 or 5 divisions. Premier, First, Second, Third, Fourth....A new team starts at the bottom and works their way up. We started probably 4 or 5 years ago and went up to 1st division and have been middle of the pack. We have a couple "weak links", but they have heart and are getting better. We can't get over the hump and get ourselves into premier. Our biggest problem is we also put average skilled slow people in the midfield. They are too scared to play defense, so our midfield gets ripped up by good teams. The captain forces me to play center back or either stopper or sweeper based on the formation. Last offseason I pleaded to play more midfield, so the very first game last season he started me at striker, and said "Are you happy?" His mentality equates not playing defense with scoring goals, so he thought that would make me happier than putting me in the midfield. I just want to help the team win. He's a good guy, but he isn't a tactician at all.
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Aug 4, 2015 22:02
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cosmicjim posted:Bad players get put at the left and right fullback on most teams in our league. Most teams are bad. Yeah, I was always a sweeper or whatever. Really only played the sides during scrims and the like, help me get fitness and because he liked my crosses (I do this weird super back spinny, floaty cross that has okie dokie hang time). That and the combined teams practiced together and didn't have many fullbacks either. But yeah, lots of bad players on fullback, I still am one of them, though I'm a lot more comfortable in front of my keeper. Got back form the doc, and they put a doppler on my foot and had me flex my foot and saw/heard that I completely (that they could hear) lost my pulse in my lower legs whenever. On top of my foot it turned into a weird triple beat thing instead of the typical bum bum, bum bum of blood going through. So that would explain the pain. They want to do one more test before they decide to cut me open again. Apparently they'll be cutting behind my knees and opening up some of my muscles so they don't strangle my artery.
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Aug 5, 2015 00:27
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Aug 5, 2015 03:43
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My coed team plays with a sweeper because he's by far our best defender and has ridiculous speed and stamina for a rec league. He gets forward a lot too, Beckenbauer-style.
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Aug 5, 2015 04:47
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I was only half-serious. The coach of one of my daughter's teams used a diamond 4 in the back and he played her at sweeper all the time. In some ways I think it helped her development as a defender but I think the last couple seasons she played there it hurt her in terms of understanding how to play as a defensive unit and other more advanced concepts she should be learning at her age. From a tactical perspective I think it leaves too much space that only takes a semi-decent attack to exploit. But certainly in more casual play it can make sense if you have one really poo poo-hot defender (or a really poo poo keeper).
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Aug 5, 2015 07:38
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Another good reason to play a sweeper is that in the lower leagues linesmen are a joke, so playing an offside trap only leads to frustration.
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Aug 5, 2015 08:14
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Messyass posted:Another good reason to play a sweeper is that in the lower leagues linesmen are a joke, so playing an offside trap only leads to frustration. Don't get me started on poor ARs. My other daughter who plays had a very nice left footed goal taken away from her on a very poor offsides call this weekend. Timed her run perfectly and got a very nice ball in from the right side. That is just part of the game as we all know but still quite maddening.
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Aug 5, 2015 08:25
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We usually have a sweeper because I play stopper. If the other team has a standout forward I'll man mark him. Otherwise I get forward a lot and go from sideline to sideline to help the outside fullbacks. I'm 36 now, and I'm getting too old to play like that. I've been thinking about playing in the over 35 division. Quality of play is actually a lot better in that division but there's not as many young Africans I have to chase.
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Aug 5, 2015 12:39
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Come to lower league Australia and marvel at the idea of ever having linesman at all. Hell, when I was playing in the Granville district having a ref was a luxury.
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iajanus posted:Come to lower league Australia and marvel at the idea of ever having linesman at all. This ftw, the ref is just a glorified timekeeper if you've even got one
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Aug 5, 2015 12:44
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I love playing soccer and generally support my teammates this is just some negative stuff I want to share. I got so tired of suggesting that our defensive line stop playing such an aggressive trap and then losing their minds when they didn't get tight offside calls. It's a league full of terrible teams full of terrible players, why would you expect the refs to be great? Why would you keep doing something and then go nuts when you don't get the call for the three-thousandth time? By the way the guy IS onside half the time you dummies jesus christ. Also the obsession with "playing it out of the back". Yes that is the ideal way to play MOST of the time for MOST teams but hey sure seems we're giving up a lot of easy goals today feel free to chuck it up to the forwards or just clear it blindly sometimes!
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pangstrom posted:Also the obsession with "playing it out of the back". Yes that is the ideal way to play MOST of the time for MOST teams but hey sure seems we're giving up a lot of easy goals today feel free to chuck it up to the forwards or just clear it blindly sometimes! I blame Barcelona for this. I'm serious.
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Aug 5, 2015 14:59
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How are you still alive I don't get it
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Gigi Galli posted:I blame Barcelona for this.
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Aug 5, 2015 15:27
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pangstrom posted:...not: kicking with your toe, trapping with the outside of your foot...
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Why wouldn't you want to trap the ball with the outside of your foot? Also there's definitely a time and a place for a cheeky toe ball.
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Aug 5, 2015 16:50
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You're only allowed to trap the ball with the instep because coaching in Australia and presumably America is focussed on teaching the basics as opposed to the other versions of football to a hilarious degree, ensuring that only those basics are taught to a high level of competency because kicking with your toe or whatever is what they do in the other football codes, and thus bad. It's a mark of insecurity around the sport imo.
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That's mental. I really don't understand the instep thing, though. There are so many situations where taking the touch on the outside of your boot makes more sense. Laughing at the idea of Messi waiting for the ball to roll onto the instep of his right foot.
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Aug 5, 2015 17:24
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Bogan Krkic posted:You're only allowed to trap the ball with the instep because coaching in Australia and presumably America is focussed on teaching the basics as opposed to the other versions of football to a hilarious degree, ensuring that only those basics are taught to a high level of competency because kicking with your toe or whatever is what they do in the other football codes, and thus bad. It's a mark of insecurity around the sport imo.
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Insanely Sikh posted:How are you still alive I don't get it I don't know. I'm beginning to think its a cosmic joke at my expense. Next thing to happen is carpal tunnel or some poo poo. That and people are spending a lot of money to keep me alive and healthy-ish. Which is the weirdest realization. I've probably had enough medical care to cost around 300k or something.
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Soulex posted:I don't know. I'm beginning to think its a cosmic joke at my expense. Next thing to happen is carpal tunnel or some poo poo. You burden on society, you
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Aug 5, 2015 18:53
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just get some new legs from this dude
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JFairfax posted:just get some new legs from this dude Probably has a better first touch than Soulex lol.
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vulturesrow posted:Probably has a better first touch than Soulex lol. Pretty much
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Based on my coaching experience I more or less agree with what was said. A few minor quibbles but not worth hashing over. However because many American children don't grow up playing the game from a very young age an emphasis on fundamentals is a requirement more so than it might be elsewhere. I'm also a firm believer that "there are not tactics without technique." I've found that the girls I'm coaching have an appropriate level of understanding of what they should do but struggle to do it because they lack technique, especially under pressure. My general feeling with American youth soccer is that even as they get older very few are ever truly comfortable with the ball at their feet. In the last league I coached we had small number of Mexican youth who played with us and they all were just more fluid and comfortable with the ball than the other kids their age, even ones that weren't particularly stand out athletes otherwise. I will say that this has improved in the years that I've been coaching and certainly soccer is making a lot of headway in America.Soulex posted:Pretty much Guarantee it's better than mine, although that's not exactly setting a high bar.
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vulturesrow posted:Based on my coaching experience I more or less agree with what was said. A few minor quibbles but not worth hashing over. However because many American children don't grow up playing the game from a very young age an emphasis on fundamentals is a requirement more so than it might be elsewhere. I'm also a firm believer that "there are not tactics without technique." I've found that the girls I'm coaching have an appropriate level of understanding of what they should do but struggle to do it because they lack technique, especially under pressure. My general feeling with American youth soccer is that even as they get older very few are ever truly comfortable with the ball at their feet. In the last league I coached we had small number of Mexican youth who played with us and they all were just more fluid and comfortable with the ball than the other kids their age, even ones that weren't particularly stand out athletes otherwise. I will say that this has improved in the years that I've been coaching and certainly soccer is making a lot of headway in America. Coaching was something I was going to do with my sons when they get old enough and I was definitely going to have them focus with ball at feet and comfortability first off. I know that was my biggest issue when I first started playing. Line of thinking was, get ball? See person? Hoof it! I've since learned, and know better now, and in theory it's easier. But until I have some practice at again I'll be shaky. Also yeah. First touch passes are a weakness for me. I've done some good ones like taking a cleared ball with my knee and hit it directly to my teammate a few times but most of the time it's too hard or too soft. I can't find that medium. I learned how to make the ball sleep somewhat and can do a bit of keepy ups, but nothing great by any means.
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Soulex posted:Coaching was something I was going to do with my sons when they get old enough and I was definitely going to have them focus with ball at feet and comfortability first off. I know that was my biggest issue when I first started playing. Line of thinking was, get ball? See person? Hoof it! I've since learned, and know better now, and in theory it's easier. But until I have some practice at again I'll be shaky. It's all about repetition. More touches the better. It's kind of weird how some things I'm actually pretty good at even though I've only ever played casually. Things I'm not good at make sense. For instance, I can volley the ball really well. Makes no sense. I'm an average ball handler at best. What is pretty cool is that other sports I've played extensively and am good at, namely basketball and rugby, do have transferable skills. Obviously not physical ones but both of those rely a lot on the concepts of space and how to use it offensively and how to take it away defensively. This really helps me out when I'm playing soccer in terms of seeing the field and finding space off the ball. This was posted in the Android gaming thread but it really deserves to be here:  I laugh every time I look at it.
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Soulex posted:Coaching was something I was going to do with my sons when they get old enough and I was definitely going to have them focus with ball at feet and comfortability first off. I know that was my biggest issue when I first started playing. Line of thinking was, get ball? See person? Hoof it! I've since learned, and know better now, and in theory it's easier. But until I have some practice at again I'll be shaky. My first coach throughout juniors was an old Scottish bloke who's idea of defence was to hoof the gently caress out of the ball in any direction bar your own net whenever you had it, regardless of pressure. Even today I find it hard to relax on the ball. In other news, today I'm defending against a former Juventus youth player! RIP our positive goal difference
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Tongues posted:My first coach throughout juniors was an old Scottish bloke who's idea of defence was to hoof the gently caress out of the ball in any direction bar your own net whenever you had it, regardless of pressure. Even today I find it hard to relax on the ball. Northern conspiracy. Make sure to tell him that Allegri has done great things for the club so far. Like selling Vidal and Tevez Just got scheduled exploratory surgery for the 24th. If they find something then more surgeries after that.
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Tongues posted:My first coach throughout juniors was an old Scottish bloke who's idea of defence was to hoof the gently caress out of the ball in any direction bar your own net whenever you had it, regardless of pressure. Even today I find it hard to relax on the ball. This is one of my biggest peeves in coaching the little ones. It's exacerbated by the fact that many of the American parents have no concept of the game and cheer madly when little Johnny does a big kick! Drives me bonkers when I see coaches encouraging that. Good luck today with your lucky draw. Hope you have a solid keeper. See robot picture above.
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