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kirbysuperstar: Nov 11, 2012; Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Meiteron posted:

They never nerfed crafter progression like they did relics.

Well, there was the i70 trade-in clothes they added pretty late in 2.x but..yeah.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 03:30

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kafziel: Nov 11, 2009

Meiteron posted:

Once I stopped pacing in my apartment cussing at hypothetical members of the dev team who came up with this system, and sat down to really plan out what I was doing, it turns out red scrip really is just Ehcatl Sealants but Moreso, which is honestly not the worst thing in the world.

If there's a criticism to make about it it's that Yoshida had said that HW was going to make crafting more accessible and user-friendly for the average player. That was a dirty, filthy lie, a lie told to all of us. When you accept that it was a lie, and look at the system as an extension of the 2.0 philosophy of "crafter progression is worse than relics and costs millions of gil" then it all clicks. If you're an Omnicrafter with more money than God you get to keep playing the crafter game and everyone else can get hosed, just like 2.0.

There's two keys to it, which are that 1) max-melded i150 can meet 2-star requirements, letting you skip Keep gear and 2) crafting materials can be sold on the open market, speeding the process for the wealthy. So the Omnicrafter with all the money can meld his gear, gather his own red scrip materials, spend money to get even more materials, and make Master gear 3-4 times faster then someone saving up for the Keep stuff. That will let the Omnicrafter cover all crafting jobs while the casual crafter who opts for Keep will only have 2-3 crafts geared up in six months.

I guarantee you that i150 is not going to be workable for 3.2 when we will likely get new recipes and you'll either need full Keep or melded Master to start them. It's exactly the same as 2.0 except the numbers are higher and the gear models are different. You're either fully into crafting or you're locked out. If you are fully into crafting then you'll be totally fine. If you're not that into it but want to be then now, and no other time but now, is when you want to make the effort. As hard as making Master stuff is now it's extremely unlikely it'll be any easier later on. They never nerfed crafter progression like they did relics.

The big difference is that in 2.0 you only had to go through gearing once. In 3.0 you have to do it eight times.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 03:36

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; c-spam cannot afford

kafziel posted:

The big difference is that in 2.0 you only had to go through gearing once. In 3.0 you have to do it eight times.

I mean you could use a melded patrician set in 2.0, but it was much much easier to do two star stuff with your crafting AF. They didn't release multi class high end crafting gear for a few patches after.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 03:40

Meiteron: Apr 4, 2008; Whoa! You're gonna be a legend!

kafziel posted:

The big difference is that in 2.0 you only had to go through gearing once. In 3.0 you have to do it eight times.

In 2.0 (and I'm being specific here, I mean launch) you needed to level your crafts to 50, put a halfway decent set together, and craft up 40-50 pieces total that to gear your crafts with the original crafter AF. There was a time, long ago, where 1-star crafts actually posed difficulty to a crafter and HQ wasn't guaranteed. Didn't last very long, but that time did happen.

This is same situation but made harder to accommodate all the resources now at a crafter's disposal. You level your crafts to 60, you put a really good set together, and craft up 40-50 pieces total to gear your crafts with the second crafter AF. Same thing, slightly harder, takes longer.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 03:45

dreffen: Dec 3, 2005; MEDIOCRE, MORSOV!

I'll never get tired of hearing the Limsa night theme.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 03:55

Pigbottom: Sep 23, 2007; Time is never wasted when you're wasted all the time.

Have any of you guys ever used this new voip service? https://discordapp.com/

It seem pretty nice, even for pugs since you can use a web app, but the privacy policy sounds a little shady. Although "the internet" claims this kind of policy is usual for this kind of service.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 03:57

Fister Roboto: Feb 21, 2008

Paladin is good in PVP.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 04:02

Gumball Gumption: Jan 7, 2012

Pigbottom posted:

Have any of you guys ever used this new voip service? https://discordapp.com/

It seem pretty nice, even for pugs since you can use a web app, but the privacy policy sounds a little shady. Although "the internet" claims this kind of policy is usual for this kind of service.

It is decent, the best thing about it is that it is really good when you want to spin up a room for pugs or something fast.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 04:05

Ojjeorago: Sep 21, 2008; I had a dream, too. It wasn't pleasant, though ... I dreamt I was a moron...; Gary’s Answer

Meiteron posted:

If there's a criticism to make about it it's that Yoshida had said that HW was going to make crafting more accessible and user-friendly for the average player. That was a dirty, filthy lie, a lie told to all of us.

The lying liar Yoship has been lying to us since #housegate in 2.2 or whatever, why would anyone believe anything he says?

Pigbottom posted:

Have any of you guys ever used this new voip service? https://discordapp.com/

It seem pretty nice, even for pugs since you can use a web app, but the privacy policy sounds a little shady. Although "the internet" claims this kind of policy is usual for this kind of service.

I believe SwissArmyDruid is our resident expert on this.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 04:05

seorin: May 23, 2005; 2 Sun's Dusk (Day 78)
Of the Seven Visions of Seven Trials of the Incarnate, I have now fulfilled the Fifth Trial.

Meiteron posted:

it turns out red scrip really is just Ehcatl Sealants but Moreso, which is honestly not the worst thing in the world.

Are you okay? I think you may have a severe case of Stockholm Syndrome. :ohdear:

I was admittedly super skeptical when they first suggested they wanted to make crafting more accessible, and I'm mostly just sad it turns out that skepticism was warranted.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 04:24

Meiteron: Apr 4, 2008; Whoa! You're gonna be a legend!

seorin posted:

Are you okay? I think you may have a severe case of Stockholm Syndrome.

I was admittedly super skeptical when they first suggested they wanted to make crafting more accessible, and I'm mostly just sad it turns out that skepticism was warranted.

you know when I read that sentence by itself I do feel a bit unsettled

Also I'm devoting a large portion of brainpower to actively repressing the staggering amount of time the average person who wants to gear everything will spend mindlessly hitting the same gather points burning favors, because if I ever admit that concept into my thoughts I'll probaaefbfdafkbls;fbfgbfvsdfbdk

# ? Aug 9, 2015 04:37

Failboattootoot: Feb 6, 2011; Enough of this nonsense. You are an important mayor and this absurd contraption has wasted enough of your time.

I like the red scrip system as is and definitely prefer it in all ways to any of the 2.x craft gear grinds.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 04:43

Oscar Wilde Bunch: Jun 12, 2012; Grimey Drawer

Meiteron posted:

you know when I read that sentence by itself I do feel a bit unsettled

Also I'm devoting a large portion of brainpower to actively repressing the staggering amount of time the average person who wants to gear everything will spend mindlessly hitting the same gather points burning favors, because if I ever admit that concept into my thoughts I'll probaaefbfdafkbls;fbfgbfvsdfbdk

You mean mindlessly fish while watching Netflix right?

# ? Aug 9, 2015 04:48

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

Fishing is the true endgame of Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn anyways.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 04:52

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

But what are you going to do when you catch a sky whale?

# ? Aug 9, 2015 04:57

Niton: Oct 21, 2010; Your Lord and Savior has finally arrived!

..got any kibble?

hobbesmaster posted:

But what are you going to do when you catch a sky whale?

Use it as a fishy Megalixir.

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cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

hobbesmaster posted:

But what are you going to do when you catch a sky whale?

Desynth it

# ? Aug 9, 2015 05:01

Ignimbrite: Jan 5, 2010; BALLS BALLS BALLS; Dinosaur Gum

You obtain a pinch of fine sand

# ? Aug 9, 2015 05:07

Emalde: May 3, 2007; Just a cage of bones, there's nothing inside.

That Third Party Tools Swag :c00l:

# ? Aug 9, 2015 05:49

Rei_: May 16, 2004; The difference between confinement and rest is a shift in perspective

So I have never played Archer past unlocking hawks eye, but I have MNK/NIN/DRG all at 50.. What should I level next?

# ? Aug 9, 2015 06:20

Failboattootoot: Feb 6, 2011; Enough of this nonsense. You are an important mayor and this absurd contraption has wasted enough of your time.

Rei_ posted:

So I have never played Archer past unlocking hawks eye, but I have MNK/NIN/DRG all at 50.. What should I level next?

It seems you like melee dps so I would recommend Warrior or Dark Knight because they feel a lot like melee dps sometimes.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 06:24

Fate Accomplice: Nov 30, 2006

Rei_ posted:

So I have never played Archer past unlocking hawks eye, but I have MNK/NIN/DRG all at 50.. What should I level next?

How about any of these to 60?

# ? Aug 9, 2015 06:41

Professor Beetus: Apr 12, 2007; They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

How hard is the game with less reliable communication once you get to more complicated dungeons? Everything's been pretty easy so far, but I switched from PC to PS4 and the controller keyboard is a pain in the rear end so mostly I just try to pay attention and follow everyone else's lead. Will this at least get me through MSQ content or will people start getting pissed at me if I don't instantly know what to do? (For the most part the DF has been matching me up with level synced players).

# ? Aug 9, 2015 06:43

kirbysuperstar: Nov 11, 2012; Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

DrNutt posted:

How hard is the game with less reliable communication once you get to more complicated dungeons? Everything's been pretty easy so far, but I switched from PC to PS4 and the controller keyboard is a pain in the rear end so mostly I just try to pay attention and follow everyone else's lead. Will this at least get me through MSQ content or will people start getting pissed at me if I don't instantly know what to do? (For the most part the DF has been matching me up with level synced players).

You don't need that much communication, just say "I'm inexperienced" and "I seem to have misplaced my keyboard" with auto-translate and people should point stuff out when needs be. Investing in a cheap USB keyboard wouldn't go astray, though.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 07:00

nuru: Oct 10, 2012

A2S is pretty relaxing compared to how learning A1S felt.

kirbysuperstar posted:

You don't need that much communication, just say "I'm inexperienced" and "I seem to have misplaced my keyboard" with auto-translate and people should point stuff out when needs be. Investing in a cheap USB keyboard wouldn't go astray, though.

This can even be made a macro!

# ? Aug 9, 2015 07:05

Technogeek: Sep 9, 2002; by FactsAreUseless

Jesus loving Christ, official forums.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 07:50

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

Technogeek posted:

Jesus loving Christ, official forums.

I really wish you had sourcelessly quoted that.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 07:53

Holyshoot: May 6, 2010

How do the favors work?

# ? Aug 9, 2015 07:58

Kuvo: Oct 27, 2008; Blame it on the misfortune of your bark!; Fun Shoe

cheetah7071 posted:

I really wish you had sourcelessly quoted that.

ya next time leave them out of context

# ? Aug 9, 2015 07:59

Technogeek: Sep 9, 2002; by FactsAreUseless

cheetah7071 posted:

I really wish you had sourcelessly quoted that.

I didn't want to have to reproduce the unnecessary formatting, and it would have lost a lot of the impact if I just didn't bother.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 08:01

Bob NewSCART: Feb 1, 2012; Outstanding afternoon. "I've often said there's nothing better for the inside of a man than the outside of a horse."

Alright. Where do I begin with crafting and how do I end up repairing my own gear?

# ? Aug 9, 2015 08:02

Kitfox88: Aug 21, 2007; Anybody lose their glasses?

Well worth grinding scrip turnins for the chestpiece.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 08:13

Leal: Oct 2, 2009

Kuvo posted:

ya next time leave them out of context

Out of context best context

# ? Aug 9, 2015 08:18

Vil: Sep 10, 2011

Bob NewSCART posted:

Alright. Where do I begin with crafting and how do I end up repairing my own gear?

Go to the respective crafter guild. Plop down next to their respective vendor. Start crafting 1 of everything in your log (for the first-time bonus) until you hit things where the vendor doesn't sell you the mats any more, which will be around level 15 for most of them. (In a few cases for crafts with relatively few recipes, you may need to craft the same thing a few times. Similarly for crafts with a shitload of recipes, you can skip some.)

Repeat this process with each craft until they're all at 15. The point of this is to unlock their level 15 cross-class abilities, which range from situational to awesome.

General recommendations after that are, in order (because of the cross-class abilities you get):
CUL to 37
CRP to 50
WVR to 50
Everything else to 50 in whatever order you please
Any 50-60 leveling (optional, see below)

The 15-50 leveling will be some combination of:
- Levequests (these are really good exp for crafters)
- Ixali dailies (do the quest on any crafter, complete it on the crafter you want to receive the exp)
- Grand Company turn-ins
- A few challenge log objectives

In pretty much all the above cases where you're turning in items, HQ items net you double exp. Plus you get a lot more exp for trying to craft items HQ, even if you don't succeed.

You can repair gear if the appropriate craft for the gear is no more than 10 levels below the gear's equippable level. For example, if you want to repair a sword equippable at level 56, your blacksmith (the Craft That Makes Swords) needs to be 46 or higher. You'll also want to get in the habit of lugging a pile of dark matter around with you, which you can buy in the various town marketplace areas (among other places).

Beyond that it's just a matter of right-click -> repair. Provided you have the craft leveled and the dark matter on hand, you can do this at any time. Even in a dungeon. Even in battle.

If your goal is just repairs, you can stop at 50, since that'll let you repair all the level 60 gear. If you want to proceed past 50, it's much the same process (though get other things to 50 for more cross-class abilities before trying to push anything to 60), except Ixali dailies get shittier relative to the exp you need, and you get the option of collectible turn-ins.

Vil fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Aug 9, 2015

# ? Aug 9, 2015 08:33

seorin: May 23, 2005; 2 Sun's Dusk (Day 78)
Of the Seven Visions of Seven Trials of the Incarnate, I have now fulfilled the Fifth Trial.

I don't know if this was one of you guys, but it's a magnificent troll regardless: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/254882-Adding-Legacy-Tattoo-to-Mog-Station

:golfclap:

# ? Aug 9, 2015 09:31

Pews: Mar 7, 2006; one thousand years of anime; Grimey Drawer

Lalafells are best used as weapons, most effective when thrown or punted at enemies

I found proof while finishing up the level 50 crafting quests:

# ? Aug 9, 2015 09:51

Verranicus: Aug 18, 2009; by VideoGames

Yoshi P & The Dev team, the players have spoken and you should listen!

1. Stop continuing to punish us for devoting time to this game and have it as a hobby. Examples, relic quests and certain gears. Letting people have the same stuff as others for half the effort isnt fair to anyone.

2. 3.0 is a reskin of 2.0. ARR has been out for 2 years wich means you had 2 years to present something to the table that would make stuff interesting but we are still stuck in the DF envoirment.

3. Bigger maps and flying maps where amazing but not when the only thing we can do on big maps after quests is fate grinding hunts or gather and they are mega empty.

4. Gears with more job specific stats wouldnt be a bad idea. -10% damage taken or 10% damage dealt etc.

5. Whats the real reason for everything beeing so easy? Who is it going to satisfy? Presenting savage isnt doing the hardcore gamers a favour its devaluing the players overall when it comes to everything else from regular mobs dungeons etc.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 10:58

Fate Accomplice: Nov 30, 2006

Verranicus posted:

5. Whats the real reason for everything beeing so easy? Who is it going to satisfy? Presenting savage isnt doing the hardcore gamers a favour its devaluing the players overall when it comes to everything else from regular mobs dungeons etc.

Wait wait wait

So the game is too easy, but giving us savage mode is bad because it just exposes how easy the rest of the game is?

# ? Aug 9, 2015 15:11

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

I bet he was complaining that EXDR was too hard at ilvl150.

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brennon: Sep 15, 2004

nuru posted:

You're going to lose a lot more money leveling desynthesis than you'll ever make using desynth on items you make.

If you want to level from 51+ you should do daily turn-ins if they're starred (sometimes if they're not), leves, and crafting items you can sell to other crafters leveling 51+.

This is the truth, I spent probably around 1-1.5 million leveling from around the higher end of ARR stuff to being able to desynth expert drops in HW. I have made very little money from it, maybe 200k total from getting nuggets and ingots from jewellery. Wait until they maybe some day put in an easier way to bridge the desynth skill gap

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