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gangnam reference posted:That is all we are talking about here with 'elo hell', the last 500 or so MMR differential between what a player could be playing 50% at, but is actually not at yet nor getting close any time soon assuming a normal player's play schedule. The 95% confidence margin around a players MMR is, on average, about 750 MMR rating points. The minimum (for the most active players) is about 370 MMR points. So you are right there is a huge error. As for "I see no reason why it couldn't be doing a much better job": you only get so much games every day, from which you have to derive the individual skills for 10 people from 1 game result. On top of that, player's individual skill varies with a standard deviation of about 70 MMR per day. There just isn't enough information. You can get marginal improvements but the fundamental problem stays the same. The alternative is to try to pick extra information out of the game but it's a can of worms due to no longer aligning the rating with the actual goal of the game, so it becomes game-able in itself. Now, if you forget about the penis length aspect of MMR and focus on matchmaking quality, the system is *good enough* to find closely matched games. The errors partially even out because there's 5 players on each team (yay central limit theorem) and from the above numbers (750 MMR average error) the average game is, in the end, going to have a better than 33% vs 66% winning probability imbalance. And why are we having rating discussions again in the Pro Dota2 thread.
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Skuto posted:The 95% confidence margin around a players MMR is, on average, about 750 MMR rating points. The minimum (for the most active players) is about 370 MMR points. So you are right there is a huge error. Don't respond to the copy pasta of jpj's greatest hits
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Aug 11, 2015 12:44
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a better question: why are we having a jpj discussion in the pro dota thread answer: offseason
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Aug 11, 2015 13:01
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It's only a few months until Fall, right?
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Vasler posted:Does he just really really hate ppd or something? What's up with ixMike? I always thought he was a chill guy or is this some sort of meta thing where he pretends to be a dick for some reason? ppd was trolling him first, the banter is real
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Aug 11, 2015 13:08
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We can discuss whether we're being trolled or not: https://twitter.com/kky_KuroKy/status/630959278644289536
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kky with the navi shirt background, EGM also calling out s4, this is great. I wish I could troll like the pros
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Skuto posted:The 95% confidence margin around a players MMR is, on average, about 750 MMR rating points. The minimum (for the most active players) is about 370 MMR points. So you are right there is a huge error. ur replyiong to a copy paste of some guy who picked bloodseeker >400 times in one patch lmao
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Craptacular! posted:Oh no, his dickishness is quite authentic and intentional. Nah he looks like everyone's Italian uncle.
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Skuto posted:And why are we having rating discussions again in the Pro Dota2 thread.
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I meantioned a few weeks ago about how ridiculous Chinese team scrims are for TI, with cell phones being posessed for weeks. Apparently Dota ruined Xiao8's marriage. 
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Craptacular! posted:I meantioned a few weeks ago about how ridiculous Chinese team scrims are for TI, with cell phones being posessed for weeks. If DOTA was going to be a problem for his marriage I think it was probably doomed from the start given that he was either expected to give up his career/passion or they just weren't prepared to deal with it at all. Sucks though xiao8 seems like a nice guy
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I don't understand how you can enter marriage with someone and not be prepared to sacrifice for them. Maybe he was a lovely husband already and this just made the decision easy but seriously now.
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Wezlar posted:If DOTA was going to be a problem for his marriage I think it was probably doomed from the start given that he was either expected to give up his career/passion or they just weren't prepared to deal with it at all. RiskyChris posted:I don't understand how you can enter marriage with someone and not be prepared to sacrifice for them. Maybe he was a lovely husband already and this just made the decision easy but seriously now. Well, it wasn't like she didn't know what he does. They met on a TV game show, got married after TI4 when he planned to retire, then he came back to be on Big God (where Old Pros Not Practicing was the entire point) and she was the TA cosplayer at DAC. But during this LGD run between Chinese New Year and now he talks to her just a few times a month. He blames himself for being selfish in pursuing the dream and neglecting their relationship. Sucks, though. Women have sort of a weird status symbol placement in that culture due to population control and the sheer number of parents who would rather have an abortion than give birth to a girl that won't be making a high income and taking care of those parents in their old age. But all his TI winnings put him into that class of people who shouldn't have too many problems finding a date; I remember at least one Chinese millionaire actually took out roadside billboards promoting himself as single and boasting of his own wealth. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Aug 11, 2015 |
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RiskyChris posted:I don't understand how you can enter marriage with someone and not be prepared to sacrifice for them. Maybe he was a lovely husband already and this just made the decision easy but seriously now. Obviously a lot of people make sacrifices for their marriages but if someone is expected to sacrifice basically the only thing they've ever done which is also their career I don't think it's hard to see why that would lead to problems.
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Aug 11, 2015 15:18
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Well I don't know any details about why they got divorced but I do have these set of generalizations that I can apply to almost any situation that surely explains the cause.
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Wezlar posted:Obviously a lot of people make sacrifices for their marriages but if someone is expected to sacrifice basically the only thing they've ever done which is also their career I don't think it's hard to see why that would lead to problems. I meant sacrifice in terms of the relationship, not your life. As in, I would expect her to sacrifice some intimacy with him so he can pursue his dream (which at this point isn't a dream but reality). Seems like that should strengthen a relationship to me.
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Did you know the Chinese culture reveres the elderly? The problem obviously is that xiao8 did not marry an elderly woman.
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Goetta posted:Well I don't know any details about why they got divorced but I do have these set of generalizations that I can apply to almost any situation that surely explains the cause. is this your first time on these forums or something?
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http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/3gkwxw/c9_manager_conradquantumpope_confirms_that_secret/ c9 manager saying that c9 and secret will both have roster changes. surprising no one, i know, but nice to have "confirmation" If there's an ee/rtz team with rtz playing mid and envy safelane i will root for it SO HARD til it collapses under the weight of 1000 throws
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Craptacular! posted:Well, it wasn't like she didn't know what he does. They met on a TV game show, got married after TI4 when he planned to retire, then he came back to be on Big God (where Old Pros Not Practicing was the entire point) and she was the TA cosplayer at DAC. But during this LGD run between Chinese New Year and now he talks to her just a few times a month. Tell me more about the culture of the Chinese, creepy internet guy.
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Aug 11, 2015 15:45
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If there's anyone who can carry EE's dumb rear end it's artour. EE is a tier 1 carry at his best but his (team's) decision making is terrible.
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TheQat posted:http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/3gkwxw/c9_manager_conradquantumpope_confirms_that_secret/ that team would be the greatest kaipi 
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Larry Parrish posted:Tell me more about the culture of the Chinese, creepy internet guy. did you know they eat dog???
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Aug 11, 2015 15:57
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As hilariously awful as it would surely end up, I wouldn't mind one bit seeing a return of that MLG Columbus team (minus Aui, obviously). They played some seriously fun dota.
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Craptacular! posted:
Way to be like 10 years behind dawg china's all about having daughters now. vv Isn't ember spirit like way more representative of tibetans though. Unless you mean like the lina arcana. Zoness fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Aug 11, 2015 |
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Clearly the Chinese teams need a Tibetan support Lina to inflame their chances
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Larry Parrish posted:Tell me more about the culture of the Chinese, creepy internet guy. it is garbage despite being older than any other.
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Well I'm glad the C9 members are doing this of their own will rather than "Hey man sorry you're kicked". At least they learned from the whole Aui thing?
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Khorne posted:Anyone who brings their A game and is driven to be the best player they can be is going to get frustrated in NEL and dota pubs. And unfortunately, those are the best ways to practice individual skill. The biggest thing I see on his stream is he makes a correct play and his teammate does something braindead like walk away or walk around not even doing damage despite being in range. Of course that is frustrating to him. It would be frustrating to anyone. And to compound the frustration people will often poo poo talk him despite it being their play or another teammate's play that's preventing him from playing his game to begin with. Aways back and although i agree with the general sentiment Jordan's like a giant rear end in a top hat. He's like the Michael Jordan of assholes. There's tons of stories of him being an rear end/going out of his way to embarrass people just because.
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alansmithee posted:Aways back and although i agree with the general sentiment Jordan's like a giant rear end in a top hat. He's like the Michael Jordan of assholes. There's tons of stories of him being an rear end/going out of his way to embarrass people just because. I forgot to mention that he defamed his high school coach in order to tell himself a lie that would give him more motivation (he claimed he was cut from the jv squad or whatever but he wasn't). He even included it in his Hall of Fame speech, iirc.
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why can't more dota players be controversy free, hard working, rock solid and handsome sportsmen like David Beckham
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...Is EE Zinedine Zidane?
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HGH posted:...Is EE Zinedine Zidane? No hes Messi because they're both autists who choke in the biggest tournament
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also they are often thought of as the best in the world and by some people the best player of all time
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Anyone who thinks its EE's team decision making and not his personal decision making that loses c9 games is really caught up in the fanboyism. It's hard to watch n0tail being brought down so hard he looks awful on c9 trying to follow dumb EE around when he is actually an amazing player. If EE doesn't switch to support no team is going to carry him. He just makes stupid mistakes lategame every clutch.
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