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DoctorWhat posted:I mean, you do realize what a tremendously prejudiced reading of Moffat's motivations this is, apart from everything else. I don't know if he had a history of this kind of thing you might be able to make a case. Good thing Moffat doesn't have a history of sticking his fingers into various defining aspects of the Doctor across all generations and making his stuff the most important!
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Burkion posted:Good thing Moffat doesn't have a history of sticking his fingers into various defining aspects of the Doctor across all generations and making his stuff the most important! Or, you know, if you're not a bitter nerd you look at it as him having a history of playing with the potential of time travel and the mutability of timelines. I couldn't care less about the stuff in Name of the Doctor or Listen... it doesn't change anything.
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I thought Listen was the most tasteful way you could touch on the Doctor's early life without doing anything too tacky or mystery-spoiling about it. I was genuinely surprised to see it upset people.
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Aug 13, 2015 17:25
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Accusing the current Doctor Who showrunner of wanting to leave his mark on the show is an odd complaint. My issue (and history seems to support this) is that Moffat lacks the writing chops to make any revisitation of such a classic story satisfactory.
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Aug 13, 2015 21:39
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Aren't the Daleks that have been shown from multiple eras of the show? That'd seem to me like it's some sort of story about multiple eras of history colliding, possibly involving Genesis Of The Daleks but not necessarily out to rewrite that episode specifically, since I can't see Doctor Who Super Fan Steven Moffat retconning fan-favourite stories like that.
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Aug 13, 2015 22:14
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I just assume they couldn't care less about timeline accuracy and use whatever Dalek props they have lying around.
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Aug 13, 2015 22:22
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The Daleks in Genesis were black and grey. If Moffat's re-writing anything, it would be the first Dalek story, "The Daleks".
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Aug 13, 2015 22:46
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Kind of want the brightly-coloured Daleks who menaced Peter Cushing with fire extinguishers to make a comeback.
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Aug 13, 2015 23:03
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I think it would be good to reference classic who, because it would be good if it encouraged more people to watch it and I would like more people to enjoy things I enjoy
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Aug 14, 2015 01:29
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Rat Flavoured Rats posted:I thought Listen was the most tasteful way you could touch on the Doctor's early life without doing anything too tacky or mystery-spoiling about it. I was genuinely surprised to see it upset people.
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Aug 14, 2015 16:45
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Dr. Gene Dango MD posted:That's the thing though, you should not touch up on the history of this character, except in extremely vague ways. Any more and you take away from the mystery. All we really got from listen was that the Doctor was a child at one point. And I guess he was scared of the dark, like most children. I feel like the stuff from RTD's run with the Master's backstory revealed more about the Doctor's own history than this did. I don't know how much of that (Time Lord training stuff and the Doctor and Master being childhood chums) was already known from the original series tho, I am not as well versed in that.
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Aug 14, 2015 16:52
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Guy A. Person posted:I feel like the stuff from RTD's run with the Master's backstory revealed more about the Doctor's own history than this did. That was bad too Guy A. Person posted:I don't know how much of that (Time Lord training stuff and the Doctor and Master being childhood chums) was already known from the original series tho, I am not as well versed in that. The Doctor and the Master knowing each other was well established, the other stuff was brand new
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Aug 14, 2015 17:08
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Guy A. Person posted:All we really got from listen was that the Doctor was a child at one point. And I guess he was scared of the dark, like most children. He's afraid of the dark, but also likes sleeping in old barns located hundreds of yards away from the nearest dwelling.
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Aug 14, 2015 17:11
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Irish Joe posted:He's afraid of the dark, but also likes sleeping in old barns located hundreds of yards away from the nearest dwelling. Fair enough. I guess the retcon was that the Doctor was a bit slow as a child.
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Aug 14, 2015 17:16
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He just felt guilty about selling out his best friend to the personification of Death.
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We knew a little bit about the Doctor from the old series, but only after he had been around for a little while. Namely that he constantly failed his tests and such at the Time Lord university bullshit.
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Wheat Loaf posted:He just felt guilty about selling out his best friend to the personification of Death. You do these things to hurt me.
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Wheat Loaf posted:He just felt guilty about selling out his best friend to the personification of Death. See, you say this, then I look at your avatar, and then I look at the text under your avatar, and I’m thinking…
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From Moffat:Moff posted:Ep 1/2: "This is the opening two-parter. It features lots of Daleks and this time we mean it! Clara receives a mysterious summon and has to team up with Missy to search for the Doctor in a very, very old place." All the 2 parters are interesting...
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A few years ago "TWO PARTERS ARE STUPID WE DON'T NEED TWO PARTERS ANY STORY YOU CAN TELL CAN BE TOLD IN ONE!" Now "Here's a bunch of two parters."
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Aug 17, 2015 16:16
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The discussion thread is going to be full of people getting mad about where they think two parters are going this season. 
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Burkion posted:A few years ago "TWO PARTERS ARE STUPID WE DON'T NEED TWO PARTERS ANY STORY YOU CAN TELL CAN BE TOLD IN ONE!" Dr. Gene Dango MD fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Aug 17, 2015 |
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The_Doctor posted:From Moffat: I guess we know when the bad CGI dragon is showing up now.
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Next year give me a season entirely made up of two parters. The year after next, give me four three parters. The year after that, give me three four parters. In 2026 give me a season with one twelve-part story.
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Don't Hassle The Moff posted:Ep 9: "This is a very unique Doctor Who story from Mark Gatiss. It wasn't possible to do such an episode ten years ago, when the show came back and Mark has been rewriting it over and over again to make it perfect. It's a beautiful story, very eerie and special, I think it's going to be an instant Classic."  Gatiss is one of the people who really "gets" DW, and has since his earliest novels. I have high hopes for this one.
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They should throw us all for a loop and finally film that Stephen Fry script.
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Chairman Capone posted:They should throw us all for a loop and finally film that Stephen Fry script. Maybe they'll do it like the Simpsons and wait 20 years before they finally make it.
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They're filming at the 'american' diner from Impossible Astronaut again, with the same mountain backgrounds and with Clara in a waitress outfit. Now is this finale stuff or Xmas special? EDIT: Also this Peter Capaldi posted:"And there are some specific trouser things that happen for specific reasons." The_Doctor fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Aug 19, 2015 |
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Burkion posted:A few years ago "TWO PARTERS ARE STUPID WE DON'T NEED TWO PARTERS ANY STORY YOU CAN TELL CAN BE TOLD IN ONE!" Moffat...... learning?
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Neowyrm posted:Moffat...... learning? His best episodes are 2-parters. I think the single episode stuff might have been from higher ups.
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Hoping the Zygon two-parter is good. I never really got the love for Terror of the Zygons or for them to be included in the 50th special. At this point we'll be getting to a point where Zygons will be more of a new series than old series monster so they don't even have a great nostalgic appeal either, so I'm hoping they do something new and interesting with them.
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I think Moffat put the Zygons in Day of the Doctor specifically because they were Tennant's favorite monster.
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Mokinokaro posted:His best episodes are 2-parters. I think the single episode stuff might have been from higher ups. One of his best stories is a two parter, his other two parters are pretty poo poo 
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MrL_JaKiri posted:I have bad Doctor Who opinions actually Series 1, Series 4, Series 5 and Series 8 all had great Steven Moffat two-parters
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Aug 19, 2015 21:35
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Zygons generally require the original to still be alive in order to hold their patterns - if Osgood's showing up it's more likely the original than the Zygon. It makes a bit more sense with this synopsis - if there's a faction of Zygons looking to replace UNIT members they would have started with her.
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Aug 19, 2015 21:42
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Zygood was the one that the Master shot in Death in Heaven.
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cargohills posted:actually Series 1, Series 4, Series 5 and Series 8 all had great Steven Moffat two-parters I have the best Doctor Who opinions I think you'll find, which includes not putting up with Moffat's bullshit
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TinTower posted:Zygood was the one that the Master shot in Death in Heaven. This would not surprise me
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Would make a lot of sense considering she was suddenly willing to betray UNIT to stay alive at the last minute.
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I hope she's being brought back so Missy can shoot her again. 2nd worst Moffat character.
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