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mr. mephistopheles posted:I'm at a point where if it somehow ended up Clinton vs Trump I'd really have to think about it. A Trump presidency would be a disaster but I think a Clinton one would be pretty lovely too. I don't know. I didn't think I could become more disillusioned with politics but here we are. I honestly feel like they'd make similar SCOTUS noms. Seeing the entire Republican establishment throw a shitfit for four years that would make the last eight years look reasonable and cordial may do it for me. Maybe do some research into their relative positions before you vote then
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Hillary Clinton is the Dems Mitt Romney. Except for the part where Hillary Clinton is perfectly electable.
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Aug 17, 2015 21:06
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Hillary Clinton is the Dems Mitt Romney.
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awesmoe posted:Maybe do some research into their relative positions before you vote then From a consequences perspective, Trump seems more likely to get single-payer, infrastructure programs, and campaign finance reform through a Republican controlled congress than Hillary, and those are all important things.
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FairGame posted:Except for the part where Hillary Clinton is perfectly electable. 61 million people voted for Romney.
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GlyphGryph posted:From a consequences perspective, Trump seems more likely to get single-payer, infrastructure programs, and campaign finance reform through a Republican controlled congress than Hillary, and those are all important things.
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Aug 17, 2015 21:11
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I'm coming around to the idea of president Trump already.
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GlyphGryph posted:From a consequences perspective, Trump seems more likely to get single-payer, infrastructure programs, and campaign finance reform through a Republican controlled congress than Hillary, and those are all important things. 0 isn't greater than 0.
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Donald Trump is this election's Obama.
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Aug 17, 2015 21:12
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Montasque posted:Donald Trump is this election's Obama. White Billionaire Republican Obama. Sounds legit.
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Aug 17, 2015 21:13
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Montasque posted:Donald Trump is this election's Obama. Enjoy it while it lasts. I sure am. He isn't electable.
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Aug 17, 2015 21:14
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Do we know what the questions asked in that poll were? We shouldn't anoint anyone yet. My wife and I will be volunteering later this week.
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Tempest_56 posted:A thought occured to me today - Trump vs Hillary might actually be an amazing thing for the American political process. Not because of the entertainment value (which would be great), but because they're both teflon candidates. Both of them can get hit with drat near every scandal under the sun and shrug it off like no one else can. That's pretty unheard of and would require both sides to radically alter how they campaign. It might even require an actual focus on issues and positions and that sort of insanity. Trump and Clinton have been in the public eye for so long that we feel we already know everything about them, and everything else the media can drudge up about them is just so...meh. At this point in their lives, everyone already has an opinion about Trump/Clinton and no manufactured scandal will change that. The only thing that matters is the strength (or lack thereof) of their competition.
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why is north carolina being polled so early?
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Aug 17, 2015 21:15
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Montasque posted:Donald Trump is this election's Obama. You are probably fake posting but that is not correct.
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Aug 17, 2015 21:16
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To counter Berniementum as if anybody said she was collapsing.
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I want you all to take a moment and imagine a hypothetical President Trump browbeating a recalcitrant Congress into falling lockstep with his policies, directly calling out uncooperative legislators in the media and embarrassing them repeatedly until they cave. Isn't it beautiful?
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Dahbadu posted:Do we know what the questions asked in that poll were? "Who would you vote for?"
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Brannock posted:I want you all to take a moment and imagine a hypothetical President Trump browbeating a recalcitrant Congress into falling lockstep with his policies, directly calling out uncooperative legislators in the media and embarrassing them repeatedly until they cave. Isn't it beautiful? here let me demonstrate for you: @POTUS Speaker Boehner has blocked my social security bill from getting to vote. No wonder his own party tried to replace him as speaker. What a loser!
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Raskolnikov38 posted:why is north carolina being polled so early? Important Senate race.
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Brannock posted:I want you all to take a moment and imagine a hypothetical President Trump browbeating a recalcitrant Congress into falling lockstep with his policies, directly calling out uncooperative legislators in the media and embarrassing them repeatedly until they cave. Isn't it beautiful?
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euphronius posted:You are probably fake posting but that is not correct. Prove it!!
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Between mocking those that don't like the results and including nonsense questions to demonstrate just how dumb the average respondent is PPP is just the best.
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FairGame posted:Except for the part where Hillary Clinton is perfectly electable. hillary clinton is mitt romney she is unelectable
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HappyHippo posted:What the gently caress are you talking about? A Trump presidency would be leagues worse than a Clinton one, and in what world are they going to be making similar SCOTUS nominations? This "both parties are the same!" bullshit is getting tiring. Right. Especially since the question is less "what legislation will the President advocate for?" and "what legislation will the President sign when it hits his/her desk?". Like sure, Trump may not be 100% in sync with what the institutional Republican Party is pushing, but will he really veto the repeal of Obamacare and its replacement with whatever the Heritage institute comes up with? He might call Paul Ryan a poopy-head or whatever but is he going to veto the Republican budget with tax cuts and dramatic service reductions? The reverse applies to Clinton - she's maybe less liberal than desired, but she's also not too likely to sign a new RFRA or something
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Brannock posted:61 million people voted for Romney. OK, "except for the part where both candidates were perfectly electable." Romney was never going to win and it had less to do with 47% or whatever other narrative people like to spin and more to do with factors well before October 2012. Most political science models punt on candidates because both parties put up good and viable candidates. 2016 isn't going to be any different (Bush/Walker/Rubio/maaaaaaaaaaaybe Kasich), but it's nice to dream about a model that has to account for Donald loving Trump
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awesmoe posted:Aah, the ted cruz approach. This is very apt since it would get as much accomplished as Ted Cruz has.
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Tempest_56 posted:A thought occured to me today - Trump vs Hillary might actually be an amazing thing for the American political process. Not because of the entertainment value (which would be great), but because they're both teflon candidates. Both of them can get hit with drat near every scandal under the sun and shrug it off like no one else can. That's pretty unheard of and would require both sides to radically alter how they campaign. It might even require an actual focus on issues and positions and that sort of insanity. Now I'm imagining the 2016 election like a DBZ fight between Trump and Hillary. It's like they're powering up now.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Hillary Clinton is the Dems Mitt Romney. I like Hillary Clinton well enough. I guess I'll go for Sanders in the primary, but I'd be happy to vote for her in the general election and I think she'd make a good president.
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I can't believe people are seriously explaining in this thread that Trump wouldn't actually for-real be an okay president.
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Antti posted:This is very apt since it would get as much accomplished as Ted Cruz has.
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smackfu posted:
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smackfu posted:
Did I accidentally ingest acid or does it look like her face is swirling around if you don't focus too hard on it?
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JT Jag posted:Donald Trump has skeletons in his closet that would torpedo him in the General. Skeletons everyone already knows about, his fervant supporters don't care about, but the majority of Americans do. Obama was an unknown. They aren't comparable. May I ask what the skeletons are, please.
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OctoberBlues posted:Did I accidentally ingest acid or does it look like her face is swirling around if you don't focus too hard on it?
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The right is melting down: http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...tack-breitbart/
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Ben Carson literally argued that he wants to raise taxes on the middle class because he doesn't want them to be "comfortable." How the gently caress can people hear that and rationalize it away? The man is saying I'M GOING TO RAISE YOUR TAXES and somehow it doesn't register, people are more concerned about fetal tissue research he did 20 years ago. It's really astonishing how the GOP has shifted from largely wanting to lower taxes for everyone to now supporting tax policies that totally screw over everyone who isn't rich. Is spite that much of a greater motivator than self-interest that people will vote in higher taxes on themselves just because poors might be hit harder?
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JT Jag posted:Donald Trump has skeletons in his closet that would torpedo him in the General. Skeletons everyone already knows about, his fervant supporters don't care about, but the majority of Americans do. Obama was an unknown. They aren't comparable. I 100% agree that he has deep character flaws, but if everyone knows about these skeletons (and they do) then they are not going to sink him. Same for Hillary. Bengazi and the emails are going to sink her as much as travelgate, Rose Law billing records, and Vince Foster did. Don't underestimate American's desire to vote for the candidate they would most want to hang out with and the desire to rally behind a winner. That matters far more than who is the most ideologically pure. Really, would you rather have Cruz, Walker or Jeb! in your living room? Watch Trump give a speech and he is unscripted, free wheeling and funny. He's a lot more electable than you think, its become clear he is in it to win, and he is not going to self destruct.
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MaxxBot posted:Is spite that much of a greater motivator than self-interest that people will vote in higher taxes on themselves just because poors might be hit harder?
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