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Can someone explain, preferably in non-crazy language, what exactly the supposed wrongdoings of Hillary are with regards to email? Hannity spent like half an hour going on about this this afternoon, and it's starting to drive me crazy. Near as I can tell, the argument is: While Secretary of State, she used non-secure / non-government email addresses and servers, which she wasn't supposed to do. People found out about it, tried to subpoena? the servers, but it turns out she had deleted all the emails at some point beforehand, so that may or may not have been tampering with evidence. Because they weren't secure/government servers, there was a higher chance that Chinese/Russian/ISIS hackers got hold of them. So they want to find out just what she had been sending in those emails, which entails somehow recovering the deleted emails from the servers (which I'm not understanding how that would work, unless they knew what physical hard drives the emails were stored on at Google or Yahoo or wherever?). They want to prove that she was sending (and compromising?) lots of top secret and confidential information, which would then result in hundreds or thousands of charges of evidence tampering? Or something. The only time I ever hear about this is from Fox or talk radio, so I'm trying to dig out whatever seeds of truth might be in the piles of utter horseshit they're regularly throwing out.
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Radish posted:Not sure which is worse that or being a programmer for Konami. At least Amazon doesn't send you off to the pachinko factory.
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BattleHork posted:At least Amazon doesn't send you off to the pachinko factory. Wtf is pachinko factory.?
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Gravel Gravy posted:Wtf is pachinko factory.? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSUAAKFLoL0
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# ? Aug 18, 2015 03:03 |
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The good deals aren't even on Amazon anymore, I've been buying from other places more and more lately.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:The good deals aren't even on Amazon anymore, I've been buying from other places more and more lately. Look at this fuckin' hipster right here. I bet your dumb car doesn't even have pistons.
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He welded them together so they'd be more efficient.
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Beef Hardcheese posted:Can someone explain, preferably in non-crazy language, what exactly the supposed wrongdoings of Hillary are with regards to email? Hannity spent like half an hour going on about this this afternoon, and it's starting to drive me crazy. Near as I can tell, the argument is: The other night I passed FOX while surfing and Hannity was earnestly, passionately discussing the VERY REAL possibility that Hillary will GO TO PRISON as if it were a serious thing that could happen. Kind of depressing and hilarious at the same time. Depressing that FOX is still considered by "serious" people to be a "news" channel, hilarious because Hannity is a loving ridiculous clown.
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Beef Hardcheese posted:Can someone explain, preferably in non-crazy language, what exactly the supposed wrongdoings of Hillary are with regards to email? Hannity spent like half an hour going on about this this afternoon, and it's starting to drive me crazy. Near as I can tell, the argument is: There seems to be an interagency argument over whether certain information should be classified, which the right wing is pushing as "Clinton emailed classified information." It'd be retroactively classified and wasn't classified when Clinton got it, and in any case the emails were circulating on unclassified State computers before Clinton received them, so that issue would still exist if Clinton had used government servers (and the ones at fault are State employees). There's no evidence that Clinton's staff stripped notices of classification, and none of the information in the emails is from sensitive sources. Clinton voluntarily gave the server to the FBI, the RWM is reporting it as "seized" or "subpoenaed" because Clinton bad. Certain emails might have been deleted from the server, but I don't know any indication that they were deleted outside SOP for that kind of thing. None of this is anything like what Petraeus did but that won't stop them from comparing it to Petraeus every third loving sentence. I think what they're accusing her of is storing sensitive information without the proper security, and then destroying evidence on the servers. It seems like the Fox/radio presentation is taking the same route as Benghazi, bringing up every possible accusation against Clinton and hoping something sticks because Clinton bad. Based on how nobody ever mentions this outside RWM I'm assuming it's irrelevant smoke and mirrors bullshit like the 596739 other Clinton scandals they bring up.
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Phone posted:Look at this fuckin' hipster right here. I bet your dumb car doesn't even have pistons. *brap* *brap* miss me?
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I hate to take a turn into PYF goonquote territory, but I've been coming up short on Search to find the brilliantly succinct knee chop in this thread regarding the "all lives matter" bullshit. Something about how it was a cheap deflection to avoid addressing systemic racism issues? It was within the past few weeks.
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Hazo posted:I hate to take a turn into PYF goonquote territory, but I've been coming up short on Search to find the brilliantly succinct knee chop in this thread regarding the "all lives matter" bullshit. Something about how it was a cheap deflection to avoid addressing systemic racism issues? It was within the past few weeks. Might it have been the link to this? Or maybe this?
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# ? Aug 18, 2015 05:56 |
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I left work late today and was lucky enough to listen to the fine wine of crazy that is Glenn Beck. He apparently has a new book coming out tomorrow that purports to "tell the real story" of Islam. Coincidentally, he received a "mysterious" post on his facebook from a real life homegrown American Islamic extremist:Totally not fake person meant to create buzz for Glenn's book posted:Allah said "Say to those who disbelieve: You will be defeated and gathered together to Jahannam (Hell-Fire), and worst indeed is that place to rest.” Qur’aan Surah ãal-Imraan Ayah 12 It was so laughably transparent as a marketing ploy I actually thought he was making poo poo up until he kept harping on it and linking it back to his book. The idea that any Islamic Extremist anywhere is so worried about Glenn's book as to threaten him on his facebook is absurd. Almost as absurd as the verbage used in that message. I am sure the right-wingers will buy it hook, line, and sinker though.
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quote:RUSH: This is Greg in Louisville. Hello, Greg, great to have you on the program. Hi. He's at least right about not being able to find explicit support on his website for an e-verify system, but he is undoubtedly a liar when he says he is not a Trump supporter That is part of why Limbaugh is a slippery weasel: he'll never actually say he supports anything concrete. That way when it turns out to be the wrong choice he can claim he never supported it in the first place and gloat to his listeners that he is right 99.99% of the time while in the next breath go on an hour long rant about the thing that he never supported in the first place and how great some brave, heretofore never before heard of, Republican politician is for supporting it.
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James Garfield posted:There seems to be an interagency argument over whether certain information should be classified, which the right wing is pushing as "Clinton emailed classified information." It'd be retroactively classified and wasn't classified when Clinton got it, and in any case the emails were circulating on unclassified State computers before Clinton received them, so that issue would still exist if Clinton had used government servers (and the ones at fault are State employees). But you see, we don't *know* that there weren't actual top secret emails on her server because she erased them! WE DON'T KNOW. This is what they're going to use throughout the entire campaign. WE DON'T KNOW what illegal stuff Hillary did because she destroyed evidence! You can't trust her, she's crazy diabolical!
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I bet a not insignificant number of people believe one of those deleted emails is the one she sent to the terrorists to tell them when/where to attack the diplomats in Benghazi.
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I want more of those emails, they prove that Veep is a sincere docudrama.
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AdjectiveNoun posted:Might it have been the link to this? Or maybe this?
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Gravel Gravy posted:Wtf is pachinko factory.? Konami literally sends anyone it's grown tired of or believes is of no further use to them, right up to executive producer-level talent, to do poo poo like mop bathroom floors, or do maintenance work on its warehouses full of anime porn slot machines. Only, no, wait, that's not actually a joke... EDIT: This isn't explicitly Right Wing Media, but it is RWM-related: George Zimmerman continues to prove he's a gobsmackingly vile piece of poo poo by teaming up with the 'Muslim-free gun store' douche to sell confederate flag paintings he made himself. Just... nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Aug 18, 2015 |
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Eh if I were nationally infamous for killing a black teen and getting away with it, I'd probably spend the rest of my life bilking money from dumb racists rather than fail at getting job after job because of my notoriety. Yall would understand, right?
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Hazo posted:I hate to take a turn into PYF goonquote territory, but I've been coming up short on Search to find the brilliantly succinct knee chop in this thread regarding the "all lives matter" bullshit. Something about how it was a cheap deflection to avoid addressing systemic racism issues? It was within the past few weeks. Last time someone said "all lives matter" to me IRL I replied "Yes All Lives Matter. But All Lives aren't disproportionately being affected by police brutality." There's also the whole framing of BLM as "ONLY black lives matter." Just compare this to how "Save the Rainforests" doesn't mean "gently caress other biomes."
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beatlegs posted:But you see, we don't *know* that there weren't actual top secret emails on her server because she erased them! WE DON'T KNOW. This is what they're going to use throughout the entire campaign. WE DON'T KNOW what illegal stuff Hillary did because she destroyed evidence! You can't trust her, she's crazy diabolical! Accusing her of destroying evidence was kind of a play on their part. If the original charges ever lose their luster, Fox can complain (and Trey Gowdy can waste government resources failing to prove) that she destroyed the evidence that proves she destroyed evidence. VitalSigns posted:Eh if I were nationally infamous for killing a black teen and getting away with it, I'd probably spend the rest of my life bilking money from dumb racists rather than fail at getting job after job because of my notoriety. Of all the things Zimmerman might do with the rest of his life I think selling lovely Confederate flag paintings to racists for MSRP $97 edit: oh I read it again, haha zero percent of that money is going to the Boys and Girls Club James Garfield fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Aug 18, 2015 |
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Beef Hardcheese posted:Can someone explain, preferably in non-crazy language, what exactly the supposed wrongdoings of Hillary are with regards to email? Hannity spent like half an hour going on about this this afternoon, and it's starting to drive me crazy. The wrongdoings *could be* a whole bunch of things. And frankly it would take a half hour on the short side to explain all the potentials, caveats, exceptions, violations and interpretations. The short side of the issue is she is an idiot for using a private email instead of a government provided one for official business. If she had done that and kept her private one for telling Chelse about vacation plans and wishing her donors happy birthday, none of this would be an issue. The real problem here is it raises the question of her handling of potentially sensitive information. Which is a big deal. If you can not maintain a security clearance because you don't properly handle rated material, then you can not be president. It doesn't mean she did anything malicious or tried to cover something up. She could just be a moron. But that doesn't excuse mishandling sensitive material, just ask anyone who has had a secret or need to know clearance. The briefings you get all the drat time tell you as much. Of course that goes out the window if it was rated after it got emailed to her, which is entirely possible. Also there are a bunch of potential violations dealing with Freedom of Information Act which matters for transparency, and a whole bunch of regulations regarding government communication. She didn't help her cause when she tried to stonewall releasing stuff despite at least one court order to do so. It becomes a matter of interpretation and "spirit of the law" arguments as to whether or not she did something illegal. TL;DR: She makes bad choices and might not understand/care about important rules in handling government documents. But unlikely that any real crime was committed. Edit: Also this Hair Is Spiders fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Aug 18, 2015 |
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FunkyFjord posted:. Has Hillary updated any policies in reaction to Bernie's platform though? That I haven't seen. There is one literally just a bit up thread of you. Raising the SS contribution cap. She didn't have it in her 2008 platform and said she wasn't going to raise it when asked but now she's talking about it. She has long supported raising the min wage and lead a successful push to do so in 1996 as First Lady. In 2007 she authored a bill to raise it to 9.50 and then index it to the salaries of congress ( I thought that was cute ): https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/s2514/text But now she's part of the fight for $15. http://arcaregiving.org/littlerock/2015/06/22/hillary-clinton-tells-fight-for-15-we-need-you/ That's a bigger leap than she would probably have taken without evidence that it won't get you laughed out of office ... After all, more than doubling the current min wage does sound like a crazy pipe dream. Google her platform now and compare it to her 2008 platform. She's making good use of the cover provided.
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ShadowCatboy posted:Last time someone said "all lives matter" to me IRL I replied "Yes All Lives Matter. But All Lives aren't disproportionately being affected by police brutality." "Remember the Alamo" means "forget every other fact you have ever learned"
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Hazo posted:Over the years I've googled "Levin Master Shake" many times in vain and I hope your video delivers to others what I'd always been looking for.
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Xanderkish posted:In slightly happier news, apparently the Right Wing is eating Carly Fiorina for saying nice things about Islam. I'm not sure I follow. Fiorina said those nice things years ago. After witnessing what happened to Rick Perry last time around, with Trump's current popularity, there's no way in hell she'll ever say nice things to any minority anymore.
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nine-gear crow posted:warehouses full of anime porn slot machines why do people keep doing this
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Hair Is Spiders posted:Edit: I believe that abortion is murder but I don't care about the baby holocaust as long as brown people are kicked out of the country!
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Takoluka posted:why do people keep doing this Making them or mentioning them? People keep making them because there are some weirdos out there who will pump money into them like there's no tomorrow. Goons keep mentioning them because there are goons out there with no self control when it comes to weird poo poo they read about on the internet.
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site posted:Sorry, this is from a few pages back, but this is awesome. Thank you for the effort! Yes. Please make more of these. Many more.
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Technical Analysis posted:Making them or mentioning them? Like, I've seen pachinko/pachislot machines in real-life. I've stood next to them. The entire culture behind them is flashy lights and clinking sounds draw people in to gamble money on marbles so they can maybe exchange those marbles somewhere else for cash or cigarettes or whatever the hell. It's bizarre in and of itself. But that's never enough when people share the stories. They have to go "No wait, it's not just a weird Vegas slot machine! It's got ~anime porn~ on it!!!!" Like, I get it, but let's be real here.
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nine-gear crow posted:warehouses full of anime porn slot machines. Takoluka posted:why do people keep doing this
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I bet the pizza making black token before Dr. Black Token MD has an anime porn stash.
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Takoluka posted:Like, I've seen pachinko/pachislot machines in real-life. I've stood next to them. The entire culture behind them is flashy lights and clinking sounds draw people in to gamble money on marbles so they can maybe exchange those marbles somewhere else for cash or cigarettes or whatever the hell. It's bizarre in and of itself. But that's never enough when people share the stories. They have to go "No wait, it's not just a weird Vegas slot machine! It's got ~anime porn~ on it!!!!" Like, I get it, but let's be real here. Someone hasn't heard of Castlevania Pachinko's Erotic Violence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uk83ceNRo8
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I love how trump is making these people finally admit what they think: "he's got a great style and people are tired of politicians!" I'm sick of being a serious adult, put on the tv and let the pretend man tell me pretty things!
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He's also making them believe that the opinions Rino's try to mask behind buzzwords and coded speech (like immigrants are rapists and such) aren't something they should be ashamed of and elected officials should say them openly.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I'm sick of being a serious adult, put on the tv and let the pretend man tell me pretty things! Reminder: these people elected Reagan.
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Radish posted:He's also making them believe that the opinions Rino's try to mask behind buzzwords and coded speech (like immigrants are rapists and such) aren't something they should be ashamed of and elected officials should say them openly. Good. Let them talk about it openly and ostracize themselves. That racist bullshit isn't mainstream and isn't going to be no matter how openly Trump bangs the drum about zoot-suited, switchblade packing Latino gangsters.
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Radish posted:He's also making them believe that the opinions Rino's try to mask behind buzzwords and coded speech (like immigrants are rapists and such) aren't something they should be ashamed of and elected officials should say them openly. I think you mean 'reinforcing the belief'
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