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Beef Hardcheese
Jan 21, 2003

HOW ABOUT I LASH YOUR SHIT


Can someone explain, preferably in non-crazy language, what exactly the supposed wrongdoings of Hillary are with regards to email? Hannity spent like half an hour going on about this this afternoon, and it's starting to drive me crazy. Near as I can tell, the argument is:

While Secretary of State, she used non-secure / non-government email addresses and servers, which she wasn't supposed to do. People found out about it, tried to subpoena? the servers, but it turns out she had deleted all the emails at some point beforehand, so that may or may not have been tampering with evidence. Because they weren't secure/government servers, there was a higher chance that Chinese/Russian/ISIS hackers got hold of them. So they want to find out just what she had been sending in those emails, which entails somehow recovering the deleted emails from the servers (which I'm not understanding how that would work, unless they knew what physical hard drives the emails were stored on at Google or Yahoo or wherever?). They want to prove that she was sending (and compromising?) lots of top secret and confidential information, which would then result in hundreds or thousands of charges of evidence tampering?

Or something. The only time I ever hear about this is from Fox or talk radio, so I'm trying to dig out whatever seeds of truth might be in the piles of utter horseshit they're regularly throwing out.

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BattleHork
Nov 1, 2005

MMMM, MANDOM.

Radish posted:

Not sure which is worse that or being a programmer for Konami.

At least Amazon doesn't send you off to the pachinko factory.

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

BattleHork posted:

At least Amazon doesn't send you off to the pachinko factory.

Wtf is pachinko factory.?

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Gravel Gravy posted:

Wtf is pachinko factory.?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSUAAKFLoL0

Aeka 2.0
Nov 16, 2000

:ohdear: Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.




Dinosaur Gum
The good deals aren't even on Amazon anymore, I've been buying from other places more and more lately.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

Aeka 2.0 posted:

The good deals aren't even on Amazon anymore, I've been buying from other places more and more lately.

Look at this fuckin' hipster right here. I bet your dumb car doesn't even have pistons.

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc
He welded them together so they'd be more efficient.

beatlegs
Mar 11, 2001

Beef Hardcheese posted:

Can someone explain, preferably in non-crazy language, what exactly the supposed wrongdoings of Hillary are with regards to email? Hannity spent like half an hour going on about this this afternoon, and it's starting to drive me crazy. Near as I can tell, the argument is:

While Secretary of State, she used non-secure / non-government email addresses and servers, which she wasn't supposed to do. People found out about it, tried to subpoena? the servers, but it turns out she had deleted all the emails at some point beforehand, so that may or may not have been tampering with evidence. Because they weren't secure/government servers, there was a higher chance that Chinese/Russian/ISIS hackers got hold of them. So they want to find out just what she had been sending in those emails, which entails somehow recovering the deleted emails from the servers (which I'm not understanding how that would work, unless they knew what physical hard drives the emails were stored on at Google or Yahoo or wherever?). They want to prove that she was sending (and compromising?) lots of top secret and confidential information, which would then result in hundreds or thousands of charges of evidence tampering?

Or something. The only time I ever hear about this is from Fox or talk radio, so I'm trying to dig out whatever seeds of truth might be in the piles of utter horseshit they're regularly throwing out.

The other night I passed FOX while surfing and Hannity was earnestly, passionately discussing the VERY REAL possibility that Hillary will GO TO PRISON as if it were a serious thing that could happen. Kind of depressing and hilarious at the same time. Depressing that FOX is still considered by "serious" people to be a "news" channel, hilarious because Hannity is a loving ridiculous clown.

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

Beef Hardcheese posted:

Can someone explain, preferably in non-crazy language, what exactly the supposed wrongdoings of Hillary are with regards to email? Hannity spent like half an hour going on about this this afternoon, and it's starting to drive me crazy. Near as I can tell, the argument is:

While Secretary of State, she used non-secure / non-government email addresses and servers, which she wasn't supposed to do. People found out about it, tried to subpoena? the servers, but it turns out she had deleted all the emails at some point beforehand, so that may or may not have been tampering with evidence. Because they weren't secure/government servers, there was a higher chance that Chinese/Russian/ISIS hackers got hold of them. So they want to find out just what she had been sending in those emails, which entails somehow recovering the deleted emails from the servers (which I'm not understanding how that would work, unless they knew what physical hard drives the emails were stored on at Google or Yahoo or wherever?). They want to prove that she was sending (and compromising?) lots of top secret and confidential information, which would then result in hundreds or thousands of charges of evidence tampering?

Or something. The only time I ever hear about this is from Fox or talk radio, so I'm trying to dig out whatever seeds of truth might be in the piles of utter horseshit they're regularly throwing out.

There seems to be an interagency argument over whether certain information should be classified, which the right wing is pushing as "Clinton emailed classified information." It'd be retroactively classified and wasn't classified when Clinton got it, and in any case the emails were circulating on unclassified State computers before Clinton received them, so that issue would still exist if Clinton had used government servers (and the ones at fault are State employees).
There's no evidence that Clinton's staff stripped notices of classification, and none of the information in the emails is from sensitive sources.
Clinton voluntarily gave the server to the FBI, the RWM is reporting it as "seized" or "subpoenaed" because Clinton bad. Certain emails might have been deleted from the server, but I don't know any indication that they were deleted outside SOP for that kind of thing.
None of this is anything like what Petraeus did but that won't stop them from comparing it to Petraeus every third loving sentence.


I think what they're accusing her of is storing sensitive information without the proper security, and then destroying evidence on the servers. It seems like the Fox/radio presentation is taking the same route as Benghazi, bringing up every possible accusation against Clinton and hoping something sticks because Clinton bad.


Based on how nobody ever mentions this outside RWM I'm assuming it's irrelevant smoke and mirrors bullshit like the 596739 other Clinton scandals they bring up.

Aeka 2.0
Nov 16, 2000

:ohdear: Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.




Dinosaur Gum

Phone posted:

Look at this fuckin' hipster right here. I bet your dumb car doesn't even have pistons.

*brap* *brap* miss me?

Hazo
Dec 30, 2004

SCIENCE



I hate to take a turn into PYF goonquote territory, but I've been coming up short on Search to find the brilliantly succinct knee chop in this thread regarding the "all lives matter" bullshit. Something about how it was a cheap deflection to avoid addressing systemic racism issues? It was within the past few weeks.

AdjectiveNoun
Oct 11, 2012

Everything. Is. Fine.

Hazo posted:

I hate to take a turn into PYF goonquote territory, but I've been coming up short on Search to find the brilliantly succinct knee chop in this thread regarding the "all lives matter" bullshit. Something about how it was a cheap deflection to avoid addressing systemic racism issues? It was within the past few weeks.

Might it have been the link to this? Or maybe this?

Bait and Swatch
Sep 5, 2012

Join me, Comrades
In the Star Citizen D&D thread
I left work late today and was lucky enough to listen to the fine wine of crazy that is Glenn Beck. He apparently has a new book coming out tomorrow that purports to "tell the real story" of Islam. Coincidentally, he received a "mysterious" post on his facebook from a real life homegrown American Islamic extremist:

Totally not fake person meant to create buzz for Glenn's book posted:

Allah said "Say to those who disbelieve: You will be defeated and gathered together to Jahannam (Hell-Fire), and worst indeed is that place to rest.” Qur’aan Surah ãal-Imraan Ayah 12
Allah said, "Take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them. In their case, We have provided you with a clear warrant against them." Qur’aan Surah an-Nisaa’ Ayah 91

The day when we capture you cross-worshipping, impure redneck polytheists of the united snakes, not only will we kill you, but also take your women as slaves, and all of your properties and blood will be lawful for us. Have patience, because the Hour will not be established until we have removed your falsehood pagan religion from the world and killed many of you. 

It was so laughably transparent as a marketing ploy I actually thought he was making poo poo up until he kept harping on it and linking it back to his book. The idea that any Islamic Extremist anywhere is so worried about Glenn's book as to threaten him on his facebook is absurd. Almost as absurd as the verbage used in that message. I am sure the right-wingers will buy it hook, line, and sinker though.

kik2dagroin
Mar 23, 2007

Use the anger. Use it.

quote:

RUSH: This is Greg in Louisville. Hello, Greg, great to have you on the program. Hi.

CALLER: Hi, Rush. How are you doing today?

RUSH: Very well, sir. Thank you much.

CALLER: Well, look, one thing I agree with you about Trump is his style is refreshing, people like that. I like him. I like that he doesn't take anything from people. He confronts them and he seems not to care what people think, and I like that. I wish we had more of that in American politics. But I think his policies are a disaster. You know, you supported NAFTA and you were wise enough to do that and I think Algore and somebody mentioned you as a distinguished American --

RUSH: Yeah, but he didn't mean it.

CALLER: You were wise enough to support it, and Trump's been a protectionist for 30 years. His policies, I don't know how you can believe anything he says to begin with. He changed his position on every issue, including abortion, you know, even immigration, he was attacking Romney a few years ago. So trust is a big thing, but also I think his immigration policy would be a disaster, and I think it's really un-American. I just think that's not what we are. That he isn't who we are.

RUSH: Okay. Explain why his immigration policy, because that is policy by the way. His immigration stance is now codified as policy. It's not just hyperbole or performance art or whatever you want to call it, but what is un-American about it?

CALLER: Well, I think it sends a message of hostility to immigration. I don't think that's what we want to do. I think that you're very negative about immigration, and I think that's, you know, I just don't think that's a good policy to have. I think the Republican Party can be --

RUSH: Wait a second. This is a good point. I'm not hostile to immigration or negative to immigration. I am hostile to illegal immigration and the accommodation of illegal immigration, and I am hostile to the fact that we have given up assimilating immigrants to the American culture, the American way of life. We're losing the country here, slowly but surely.

CALLER: But what we're doing is placing the federal government in charge, like with E-Verify, you're gonna have to go to Obama to get permission to hire somebody just because you're afraid some Mexican might come across and do somebody's garden. I mean, it's ridiculous. Conservatives talk about small government, they want to put the federal government in charge of employment. It's a disaster.

RUSH: Wait a minute. Which conservatives are you talking about here that want to do that?

CALLER: E-Verify. Republicans support that. You support that, I believe, you said positive things about E-Verify.

RUSH: Wait a minute, you're putting a lot of words in my mouth. A, I'm not a Trump supporter.
B, E-Verify, the only thing I've come out in support of is opposing every immigration plan I've heard and unfortunately I've been lobbied like you can't believe.

CALLER: Rush --

RUSH: I've been brought to meetings, I've been told, "If you call it amnesty, it's dead." And then they tried to tell me why it isn't amnesty. And I've heard about this card and what it adds up to is a national ID for people, you know, because everybody --

CALLER: Yes. Yes.

RUSH: Where did you see me raise my hand in support of it?

CALLER: You've talked about E-Verify in the past I believe and said positive things about it.

RUSH: It's not even in my lexicon. You could do a keyword search of my website for E-Verify, you'll never find the words coming out of my mouth, and if you do, it'll just be to report on it, not to support it, 'cause I can't even right now tell you what the hell it is.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/08/17/caller_trump_s_immigration_plan_is_un_american
He's at least right about not being able to find explicit support on his website for an e-verify system, but he is undoubtedly a liar when he says he is not a Trump supporter :laugh: That is part of why Limbaugh is a slippery weasel: he'll never actually say he supports anything concrete. That way when it turns out to be the wrong choice he can claim he never supported it in the first place and gloat to his listeners that he is right 99.99% of the time while in the next breath go on an hour long rant about the thing that he never supported in the first place and how great some brave, heretofore never before heard of, Republican politician is for supporting it.

beatlegs
Mar 11, 2001

James Garfield posted:

There seems to be an interagency argument over whether certain information should be classified, which the right wing is pushing as "Clinton emailed classified information." It'd be retroactively classified and wasn't classified when Clinton got it, and in any case the emails were circulating on unclassified State computers before Clinton received them, so that issue would still exist if Clinton had used government servers (and the ones at fault are State employees).
There's no evidence that Clinton's staff stripped notices of classification, and none of the information in the emails is from sensitive sources.
Clinton voluntarily gave the server to the FBI, the RWM is reporting it as "seized" or "subpoenaed" because Clinton bad. Certain emails might have been deleted from the server, but I don't know any indication that they were deleted outside SOP for that kind of thing.
None of this is anything like what Petraeus did but that won't stop them from comparing it to Petraeus every third loving sentence.


I think what they're accusing her of is storing sensitive information without the proper security, and then destroying evidence on the servers. It seems like the Fox/radio presentation is taking the same route as Benghazi, bringing up every possible accusation against Clinton and hoping something sticks because Clinton bad.


Based on how nobody ever mentions this outside RWM I'm assuming it's irrelevant smoke and mirrors bullshit like the 596739 other Clinton scandals they bring up.

But you see, we don't *know* that there weren't actual top secret emails on her server because she erased them! WE DON'T KNOW. This is what they're going to use throughout the entire campaign. WE DON'T KNOW what illegal stuff Hillary did because she destroyed evidence! You can't trust her, she's crazy diabolical!

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
I bet a not insignificant number of people believe one of those deleted emails is the one she sent to the terrorists to tell them when/where to attack the diplomats in Benghazi.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.
I want more of those emails, they prove that Veep is a sincere docudrama.

Hazo
Dec 30, 2004

SCIENCE



AdjectiveNoun posted:

Might it have been the link to this? Or maybe this?
I honestly thought it was a quote from this thread. That comic gets the same point across, though; thank you.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Gravel Gravy posted:

Wtf is pachinko factory.?

Konami literally sends anyone it's grown tired of or believes is of no further use to them, right up to executive producer-level talent, to do poo poo like mop bathroom floors, or do maintenance work on its warehouses full of anime porn slot machines.

:thejoke:

Only, no, wait, that's not actually a joke...

EDIT: This isn't explicitly Right Wing Media, but it is RWM-related:

George Zimmerman continues to prove he's a gobsmackingly vile piece of poo poo by teaming up with the 'Muslim-free gun store' douche to sell confederate flag paintings he made himself.

Just... :vince:

nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Aug 18, 2015

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Eh if I were nationally infamous for killing a black teen and getting away with it, I'd probably spend the rest of my life bilking money from dumb racists rather than fail at getting job after job because of my notoriety.

Yall would understand, right?

ShadowCatboy
Jan 22, 2006

by FactsAreUseless

Hazo posted:

I hate to take a turn into PYF goonquote territory, but I've been coming up short on Search to find the brilliantly succinct knee chop in this thread regarding the "all lives matter" bullshit. Something about how it was a cheap deflection to avoid addressing systemic racism issues? It was within the past few weeks.

Last time someone said "all lives matter" to me IRL I replied "Yes All Lives Matter. But All Lives aren't disproportionately being affected by police brutality."

There's also the whole framing of BLM as "ONLY black lives matter." Just compare this to how "Save the Rainforests" doesn't mean "gently caress other biomes."

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

beatlegs posted:

But you see, we don't *know* that there weren't actual top secret emails on her server because she erased them! WE DON'T KNOW. This is what they're going to use throughout the entire campaign. WE DON'T KNOW what illegal stuff Hillary did because she destroyed evidence! You can't trust her, she's crazy diabolical!

Accusing her of destroying evidence was kind of a :master: play on their part. If the original charges ever lose their luster, Fox can complain (and Trey Gowdy can waste government resources failing to prove) that she destroyed the evidence that proves she destroyed evidence.

VitalSigns posted:

Eh if I were nationally infamous for killing a black teen and getting away with it, I'd probably spend the rest of my life bilking money from dumb racists rather than fail at getting job after job because of my notoriety.

Yall would understand, right?

Of all the things Zimmerman might do with the rest of his life I think selling lovely Confederate flag paintings to racists for MSRP $97 and donating the proceeds to a legitimate charity is one of the best isn't that bad :yaycloud:
edit: oh I read it again, haha zero percent of that money is going to the Boys and Girls Club :smithcloud:

James Garfield fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Aug 18, 2015

Hair Is Spiders
Aug 15, 2015

by Ralp

Beef Hardcheese posted:

Can someone explain, preferably in non-crazy language, what exactly the supposed wrongdoings of Hillary are with regards to email? Hannity spent like half an hour going on about this this afternoon, and it's starting to drive me crazy.

The wrongdoings *could be* a whole bunch of things. And frankly it would take a half hour on the short side to explain all the potentials, caveats, exceptions, violations and interpretations.

The short side of the issue is she is an idiot for using a private email instead of a government provided one for official business. If she had done that and kept her private one for telling Chelse about vacation plans and wishing her donors happy birthday, none of this would be an issue.

The real problem here is it raises the question of her handling of potentially sensitive information. Which is a big deal. If you can not maintain a security clearance because you don't properly handle rated material, then you can not be president. It doesn't mean she did anything malicious or tried to cover something up. She could just be a moron. But that doesn't excuse mishandling sensitive material, just ask anyone who has had a secret or need to know clearance. The briefings you get all the drat time tell you as much. Of course that goes out the window if it was rated after it got emailed to her, which is entirely possible.

Also there are a bunch of potential violations dealing with Freedom of Information Act which matters for transparency, and a whole bunch of regulations regarding government communication. She didn't help her cause when she tried to stonewall releasing stuff despite at least one court order to do so. It becomes a matter of interpretation and "spirit of the law" arguments as to whether or not she did something illegal.

TL;DR: She makes bad choices and might not understand/care about important rules in handling government documents. But unlikely that any real crime was committed.

Edit:

Also this


Hair Is Spiders fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Aug 18, 2015

McAlister
Nov 3, 2002

by exmarx

FunkyFjord posted:

. Has Hillary updated any policies in reaction to Bernie's platform though? That I haven't seen.

There is one literally just a bit up thread of you. Raising the SS contribution cap. She didn't have it in her 2008 platform and said she wasn't going to raise it when asked but now she's talking about it.

She has long supported raising the min wage and lead a successful push to do so in 1996 as First Lady. In 2007 she authored a bill to raise it to 9.50 and then index it to the salaries of congress ( I thought that was cute ):

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/s2514/text

But now she's part of the fight for $15.

http://arcaregiving.org/littlerock/2015/06/22/hillary-clinton-tells-fight-for-15-we-need-you/

That's a bigger leap than she would probably have taken without evidence that it won't get you laughed out of office ... After all, more than doubling the current min wage does sound like a crazy pipe dream.

Google her platform now and compare it to her 2008 platform. She's making good use of the cover provided.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

ShadowCatboy posted:

Last time someone said "all lives matter" to me IRL I replied "Yes All Lives Matter. But All Lives aren't disproportionately being affected by police brutality."

There's also the whole framing of BLM as "ONLY black lives matter." Just compare this to how "Save the Rainforests" doesn't mean "gently caress other biomes."

"Remember the Alamo" means "forget every other fact you have ever learned"

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action

Hazo posted:

Over the years I've googled "Levin Master Shake" many times in vain and I hope your video delivers to others what I'd always been looking for.

It's not in the results yet though :smith:

It's like the only people who've noticed the similarities are random twitter and tumblr users.



:devil:

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Xanderkish posted:

In slightly happier news, apparently the Right Wing is eating Carly Fiorina for saying nice things about Islam.

I don't know about you guys, but reading that gave me a +1 to my faith in humanity stat, and I'm not entirely sure why.

I'm not sure I follow. Fiorina said those nice things years ago. After witnessing what happened to Rick Perry last time around, with Trump's current popularity, there's no way in hell she'll ever say nice things to any minority anymore.

Takoluka
Jun 26, 2009

Don't look at me!



nine-gear crow posted:

warehouses full of anime porn slot machines

why do people keep doing this

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Hair Is Spiders posted:

Edit:

Also this



I believe that abortion is murder but I don't care about the baby holocaust as long as brown people are kicked out of the country!

Technical Analysis
Nov 21, 2007

I got 99 problems but the British ain't one.

Takoluka posted:

why do people keep doing this

Making them or mentioning them?

People keep making them because there are some weirdos out there who will pump money into them like there's no tomorrow.

Goons keep mentioning them because there are goons out there with no self control when it comes to weird poo poo they read about on the internet.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

site posted:

Sorry, this is from a few pages back, but this is awesome. Thank you for the effort!

Yes. Please make more of these. Many more. :tipshat:

Takoluka
Jun 26, 2009

Don't look at me!



Technical Analysis posted:

Making them or mentioning them?

People keep making them because there are some weirdos out there who will pump money into them like there's no tomorrow.

Goons keep mentioning them because there are goons out there with no self control when it comes to weird poo poo they read about on the internet.

Like, I've seen pachinko/pachislot machines in real-life. I've stood next to them. The entire culture behind them is flashy lights and clinking sounds draw people in to gamble money on marbles so they can maybe exchange those marbles somewhere else for cash or cigarettes or whatever the hell. It's bizarre in and of itself. But that's never enough when people share the stories. They have to go "No wait, it's not just a weird Vegas slot machine! It's got ~anime porn~ on it!!!!" Like, I get it, but let's be real here.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

nine-gear crow posted:

warehouses full of anime porn slot machines.

Takoluka posted:

why do people keep doing this
Because they ran out of space in their parent's basement?

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
I bet the pizza making black token before Dr. Black Token MD has an anime porn stash.

codenameFANGIO
May 4, 2012

What are you even booing here?

Takoluka posted:

Like, I've seen pachinko/pachislot machines in real-life. I've stood next to them. The entire culture behind them is flashy lights and clinking sounds draw people in to gamble money on marbles so they can maybe exchange those marbles somewhere else for cash or cigarettes or whatever the hell. It's bizarre in and of itself. But that's never enough when people share the stories. They have to go "No wait, it's not just a weird Vegas slot machine! It's got ~anime porn~ on it!!!!" Like, I get it, but let's be real here.

Someone hasn't heard of Castlevania Pachinko's Erotic Violence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uk83ceNRo8

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!
I love how trump is making these people finally admit what they think: "he's got a great style and people are tired of politicians!"

I'm sick of being a serious adult, put on the tv and let the pretend man tell me pretty things!

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


He's also making them believe that the opinions Rino's try to mask behind buzzwords and coded speech (like immigrants are rapists and such) aren't something they should be ashamed of and elected officials should say them openly.

Die Sexmonster!
Nov 30, 2005

Intel&Sebastian posted:

I'm sick of being a serious adult, put on the tv and let the pretend man tell me pretty things!

Reminder: these people elected Reagan.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Radish posted:

He's also making them believe that the opinions Rino's try to mask behind buzzwords and coded speech (like immigrants are rapists and such) aren't something they should be ashamed of and elected officials should say them openly.

Good. Let them talk about it openly and ostracize themselves. That racist bullshit isn't mainstream and isn't going to be no matter how openly Trump bangs the drum about zoot-suited, switchblade packing Latino gangsters.

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RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Radish posted:

He's also making them believe that the opinions Rino's try to mask behind buzzwords and coded speech (like immigrants are rapists and such) aren't something they should be ashamed of and elected officials should say them openly.

I think you mean 'reinforcing the belief'

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