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Dred Cosmonaut posted:Goku not being on earth led to seven long years of complete peace. He chose to live away from his family and friends in order to protect them and the earth from the the crazy poo poo he attracts, and it completely worked The opposite reading is true.
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I accept that Goku isn't actually a bad dad, but choose to believe he is because I find it funny. I will continue to post Goku is a bad dad in internet discussions about DBZ.
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Aug 19, 2015 20:46
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxBRduVj3CM you guys should try watching the actual show instead of DBZA
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Aug 19, 2015 20:49
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Dred Cosmonaut posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxBRduVj3CM Are you implying that the Abridged Series is bad? If you are,then 
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Aug 19, 2015 20:52
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Dred Cosmonaut posted:Goku not being on earth led to seven long years of complete peace. He chose to live away from his family and friends in order to protect them and the earth from the the crazy poo poo he attracts, and it completely worked that's bs and you know it. goku has brought danger on earth through just his existence only once (raditz/vegeta/nappa). the rest of the times things threatened earth it was because he left business unfinished by loving around (frieza/dr gero). maybe goku could have lived with his family and stop loving around with his enemies instead of disappearing from his family for years and leaving his enemies ample time to get revenge on him. hell, did freeza even come to earth for goku the first time? goku was still on yardrat and freeza was more than happy to murder his family with him not around (and only trunks saved them from that fate). hell, goku's choice to ditch earth made it easier for the buu situation to get much worse thank to having to rely on a stopgap measure to help everyone.
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Aug 19, 2015 20:56
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VolticSurge posted:Are you implying that the Abridged Series is bad? If you are,then 
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Aug 19, 2015 20:56
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I think the problem is the show isn't really aware of how weird Goku comes off. Like he has the Cell scenes, the completely inexplicable wife and children and the general unawareness of anything unrelating to punchmans, but then it still writes scenes where he's this wholesome family guy everyone loves even though this never seems to be the case at any other time. I mean seriously, show me one scene in the entire show where he and Chi Chi have the slightest bit of chemistry and they actually have a reason to care about each other, it's just not there
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Aug 19, 2015 20:58
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Darko posted:- Goku's idiocy and disconnect with family makes perfect sense, since he had a "father" for like 4 years that taught him martial arts before he killed him by stepping on him, and grew up as a wild kid in the wildlands for the rest of his life. Vegeta aint much better, really, but still. The idea is that Goku has a good heart, but he's still going to always be that wild kid, and not fully "civilized." Huh, I never thought about it, and I know this is way overthinking things, but this is a lot like reactive attachment disorder. It's a rare thing, but if a child fails to form normal attachments with their caregivers during their first few years, for whatever reason - including abrupt separation - kids can develop this really, really awful disorder that's extremely difficult to treat and permanently, seriously fucks up their ability to have any kind of appropriate relationship with other humans. But, point is, there's two types. It can either present as inhibited form, or as disinhibited form. Disinhibited presents as "indiscriminate sociability, such as excessive familiarity with relative strangers", "poorly modulated peer interactions", "not having a discriminated, preferred attachment figure" (arguable, but I'd say Goku treats Roshi/Kami/King Kai as pretty interchangeable) "not checking back after venturing away from the caregiver", "lack of reticence with unfamiliar adults", "a willingness to go off with relative strangers", etc. In other words, Goku's actually just a pretty realistic representation of what a kid raised by wolves might actually act like.
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Aug 19, 2015 20:59
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Condiv posted:that's bs and you know it. goku has brought danger on earth through just his existence only once (raditz/vegeta/nappa). the rest of the times things threatened earth it was because he left business unfinished by loving around (frieza/dr gero). maybe goku could have lived with his family and stop loving around with his enemies instead of disappearing from his family for years and leaving his enemies ample time to get revenge on him. hell, did freeza even come to earth for goku the first time? goku was still on yardrat and freeza was more than happy to murder his family with him not around (and only trunks saved them from that fate). hell, goku's choice to ditch earth made it easier for the buu situation to get much worse thank to having to rely on a stopgap measure to help everyone. dr gero is really not fair since hardly anyone knew he existed, much less that he was alive.
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Aug 19, 2015 20:59
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daily reminder that almost immediately after Goku gave his speech about how the earth will be safer without him bojack nearly killed everyone.
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Aug 19, 2015 21:02
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XboxPants posted:Huh, I never thought about it, and I know this is way overthinking things, but this is a lot like reactive attachment disorder. It's a rare thing, but if a child fails to form normal attachments with their caregivers during their first few years, for whatever reason - including abrupt separation - kids can develop this really, really awful disorder that's extremely difficult to treat and permanently, seriously fucks up their ability to have any kind of appropriate relationship with other humans. Neat! I somehow doubt this is intentional, but cool analysis.
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Aug 19, 2015 21:03
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Man, this DB Multiverse special has really just taken a nose dive straight into the loving toilet.
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Aug 19, 2015 21:03
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Stairmaster posted:daily reminder that almost immediately after Goku gave his speech about how the earth will be safer without him bojack nearly killed everyone. I don't like to argue about canon, but in this case it's really worth bearing in mind the movies aren't canon
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Aug 19, 2015 21:03
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and actually nappa and vegeta weren't there for goku, they were there because of the dragonballs. raditz was the only danger goku ever attracted just by existing on earth
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Aug 19, 2015 21:04
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A Steampunk Gent posted:I think the problem is the show isn't really aware of how weird Goku comes off. Like he has the Cell scenes, the completely inexplicable wife and children and the general unawareness of anything unrelating to punchmans, but then it still writes scenes where he's this wholesome family guy everyone loves even though this never seems to be the case at any other time. I mean seriously, show me one scene in the entire show where he and Chi Chi have the slightest bit of chemistry and they actually have a reason to care about each other, it's just not there Their honeymoon episodes if you're talking about the show. In the manga, there isn't really a disconnect. Goku only barely acts different from the kid fishing with his tail that Bulma ran into, and is pretty much going to stay that character.
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Aug 19, 2015 21:04
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Vegeta and Goku are both terrible dads compared to Krillin. I trust we can all agree on this
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Aug 19, 2015 21:05
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Farecoal posted:Vegeta and Goku are both terrible dads compared to Krillin. I trust we can all agree on this poo poo, Krillin actually IS the best human.
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Aug 19, 2015 21:05
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Farecoal posted:Vegeta and Goku are both terrible dads compared to Krillin. I trust we can all agree on this it'd be hard for them not to be, krillin's the best period
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Aug 19, 2015 21:06
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Goku owns and you are all dorks.
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Aug 19, 2015 21:09
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Krillin is a kung fu cop with a heart of gold
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Aug 19, 2015 21:11
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:Goku owns and you are all dorks. goku does own, that doesn't change the fact that he's a poo poo dad
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Aug 19, 2015 21:12
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Kelp Plankton posted:Krillin is a kung fu cop with a heart of gold https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmKfA3tO8dg  i reallly really really hope krillin gets god ki in super
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Aug 19, 2015 21:13
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Condiv posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmKfA3tO8dg it was loving bullshit that we couldn't see 18 in action in that movie.
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Aug 19, 2015 21:16
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Krillin is sort of absurdly the winner of life. Yeah, he died a couple times but the end result is that he basically has a dream life while also being pretty much strong enough to effectively be a god in any other series.
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Aug 19, 2015 21:17
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I wonder how many paparazzi Vegeta killed before Bulma explained what they are to him. And then how many more he killed after he found out.
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Aug 19, 2015 21:20
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YOU STUPID!!! HE WANTED TO SAVE YOU!!!
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Aug 19, 2015 21:20
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Monaghan posted:it was loving bullshit that we couldn't see 18 in action in that movie. Yeah it's dumb she keeps getting sidelined We got robbed of a chance to see 18 vs Frieza which would be rad
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Aug 19, 2015 21:20
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if dbs had an arc dedicated to krillin's family just loving around, fighting bad guys and hanging out i would be ok with that
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Aug 19, 2015 21:21
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Bacontotem posted:I wonder how many paparazzi Vegeta killed before Bulma explained what they are to him. And then how many more he killed after he found out. I don't know Vegeta might almost like a fan club that'll treat him like the Prince he thinks he is.
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Aug 19, 2015 21:24
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Cop Krillin should get at least as many episodes as Great Saiyaman did
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Aug 19, 2015 21:24
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Prison Warden posted:Man, this DB Multiverse special has really just taken a nose dive straight into the loving toilet. god it's so boring
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Aug 19, 2015 21:24
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18 vs Freeza probably would have been better than anything else in Resurrection F.
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Aug 19, 2015 21:26
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Some Numbers posted:18 vs Freeza probably would have been better than anything else in Resurrection F. You really into watching women get beat up or something? Freeza one punched Gohan who was still probably the strongest of the bunch. 18 would have gotten sprawled the se way the rest of the cast was in battle of the gods.
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Aug 19, 2015 21:35
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Prison Warden posted:Man, this DB Multiverse special has really just taken a nose dive straight into the loving toilet. It's the only place you can go when you start on the toilet seat. Nearly every special is boring except the Gast one and I guess Bad Art Bojack.
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Aug 19, 2015 21:37
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Caros posted:You really into watching women get beat up or something? Freeza one punched Gohan who was still probably the strongest of the bunch. 18 would have gotten sprawled the se way the rest of the cast was in battle of the gods. Don't Kinkshame
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Aug 19, 2015 21:37
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Darko posted:Their honeymoon episodes if you're talking about the show. The original Dragonball never got a run when I was a kid so I didn't see the honeymoon stuff, but that he never really changes from the preteen kid is kinda my point, which is that he's a perpetual manchild who just likes fighting that the plot occasionally pretends is a functional adult person
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Aug 19, 2015 21:54
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Squallege posted:It's the only place you can go when you start on the toilet seat. Nearly every special is boring except the Gast one and I guess Bad Art Bojack. And from the looks of it, it's going into another special immediately afterwards?  At least the main artist is doing this next one, so it won't look like poo poo.
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Aug 19, 2015 22:01
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Since Dragon Ball Heroes has playable Kai characters, I was thinking of adding them to Parallels. The question is, do I call them "Kai" or "Shin"? Or "Shinjin", I guess, but that's too close to "Saiyan" for my liking. I'll probably stick with "Kai".
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Aug 19, 2015 22:06
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Speaking of, the surprise new character for the Dragon Ball Heroes update is... ...youth restored Kami. Or Young Kami. Or something. An interesting choice.
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bobjr posted:The bad parent thing comes more from giving Cell a senzu than anything else I think. There's believing in your son, then there's giving the enemy who wants to kill him a full heal. I always thought of that as Goku trying to be a good dad but failing like "Gohan is going to have so much fun fighting Cell, gotta make sure he's at full strength or Gohan won't have fun"
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