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H.P. Hovercraft posted:he is a libertarian who doesn't like that word and is a-ok w/ loving 13 year olds uh. i think you'll find the correct term is ephebotarian
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:nah we'll ramp up sewage treatment phosphorus reclaimation before that ever becomes a problem I would like to learn more.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:nah we'll ramp up sewage treatment phosphorus reclaimation before that ever becomes a problem hopefully, i just mean to say that there are finite things on earth that we aren't working to preserve currently, so the post-scarcity goal is really, really far away. if phosphorous preservation goes as well (badly) oil then it remains to be seen if we can handle it.
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ryde posted:I would like to learn more. people and animals poop out phosphorus we've known for a long time that you can collect the poop slurry during treatment in such a way as to produce a phosphorus-rich poop product but this doesn't typically happen b/c there are cheaper ways to get phosphorus like mining it outta the ground essentially it's unlike peak oil b/c you're able to recycle phosphorus
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ryde posted:I would like to learn more. phosphorus is key part of plant fertilizer and totally necessary for mass agriculture. it passes through human and animal digestive systems, so you can just lay down the fertilizer, eat the food you grow, then collect the phosphrus from your own poop and grow some more food (yum!). this is how all farming used to work until the big bad industrialization of farming. phosphorus is now plundered from the earth through mining, but there is a limited amount of it, and some think we'll run out within the next 50 years. the solution would be to return to fecal fertilizer on a massive scale before we literally flush all this phosphorus down the drain. if we don't, we will probably see an apocalyptic famine
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:we've known for a long time that you can collect the poop slurry during treatment in such a way as to produce a phosphorus-rich poop product Is reclamation 100% renewable or do you tend to get losses? In other words, does it extend our usable phosphorous resources indefinitely or "long enough"?
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phosphorus won't be a problem so long as you all keep posting
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PleasureKevin posted:if we don't, we will probably see an apocalyptic famine 
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Gum posted:uh. i think you'll find the correct term is ephebotarian
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ryde posted:Is reclamation 100% renewable or do you tend to get losses? In other words, does it extend our usable phosphorous resources indefinitely or "long enough"? "long enough"
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PleasureKevin posted:phosphorus is key part of plant fertilizer and totally necessary for mass agriculture. it passes through human and animal digestive systems, so you can just lay down the fertilizer, eat the food you grow, then collect the phosphrus from your own poop and grow some more food (yum!). this is how all farming used to work until the big bad industrialization of farming. phosphorus is now plundered from the earth through mining, but there is a limited amount of it, and some think we'll run out within the next 50 years. the solution would be to return to fecal fertilizer on a massive scale before we literally flush all this phosphorus down the drain. Basically we'll go back to the old ways and feed our human waste back into agricultural production. Extracting the nitrogen and phosphorous and other minerals out of our waste and feeding the remaining slurry to animals as mother nature intended.
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if you want to know more still, there's the overall concept of planetary boundries, a model that tries to find the acceptable operating range for humans to live on earth. here is our status on that  we've crossed 4 of these boundaries (out of the ones we have quantified, we may have passed more), and notably phosphorus ( 3b ) is really close to crossing the boundary. RIP everyone H.P. Hovercraft posted:essentially it's unlike peak oil b/c you're able to recycle phosphorus not if it's all flushed into the ocean. i imagine recycling phosphorus from the ocean would be like recycling oil from carbon in the atmosphere from burning fossil fuels (maybe not ahah i'm talking "out my rear end" here)
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ryde posted:Is reclamation 100% renewable or do you tend to get losses? In other words, does it extend our usable phosphorous resources indefinitely or "long enough"? the ocean will eventually give back the phosphorus slowly over time. but currently we use almost 10X what the ocean gives back in the same time period. so if we run out of phosphorus, there will be a huge famine with massive die off, but if anyone can hold out on canned spaghetti long enough, we could eventually begin again, maybe
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"sound money" is right up there with "men with guns" who "put you in cages" when it comes to tipoff phrases that the person you are talking to has no ideas of any merit so you should just have fun with it
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duTrieux. posted:Please summarize actually, don't quote:I thank you in advance.
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oil is valuable because it releases large quantities of energy when consumed. you can't recreate oil without spending more energy then you would get out, while phosphorus reclaimation actually aquires more phosphorus. peak oil is a problem because we run out of ridiculiously cheap energy, not because we run out of some particular combination of carbon.
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PleasureKevin posted:the ocean will eventually give back the phosphorus slowly over time. but currently we use almost 10X what the ocean gives back in the same time period. so if we run out of phosphorus, there will be a huge famine with massive die off, but if anyone can hold out on canned spaghetti long enough, we could eventually begin again, maybe Humanity could probably do with a good culling
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Fat Marky is back in the news. Mt Gox CEO May Face Rearrest Over $2.6 Million Customer Fund Theft quote:The CEO of bankrupt bitcoin exchange Mt Gox may face fresh embezzlement charges from Japanese police tomorrow, reports claim. Poor Tibanne.
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PleasureKevin posted:not if it's all flushed into the ocean. i imagine recycling phosphorus from the ocean would be like recycling oil from carbon in the atmosphere from burning fossil fuels (maybe not ahah i'm talking "out my rear end" here) phosphorus is generally a limiting factor in sea life and i'm pretty sure a significant percentage of oceanic phosphorus is entrained in such
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Mido posted:bithcoin
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ah yes, the completely agreed upon exact amount of carbon dioxide in the air in ppm that is within acceptable parameters edit: your first 2 are also the same thing basically
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bitcoiners will usually just talk your ear off
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Hey, you can't say no to science, you denialist! Haven't you heard yet? It's all about consensus now. How else would that study of literally 16 people made the news rounds a few weeks back? Oh, and peak oil is good since it will solve global warming; just snuff that candle of industrialized civilization right out and you can get back to those pre-industrial levels right quick. I think I'm doing it right, but I feel like I need to use a thesaurus to add even more smuggo
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china as a beacon of hope for sustainability loving hilarious to anyone who has ever been to china
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univbee posted:you know he's probated for another 23 hours, right? it'll be like a splinter
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hobbesmaster posted:does mike tyson knock you out and take your wallet when you try and buy a bitcoin? no no no, george foreman is the one who knocks out the fiat. i am recycling my jokes, so we don't pass any more thresholds and die.
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Sentient Data posted:Hey, you can't say no to science, you denialist! Haven't you heard yet? It's all about consensus now. How else would that study of literally 16 people made the news rounds a few weeks back? science is dead, I guess
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has the planet crossed the buttcoin boundary yet
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AlbieQuirky posted:china as a beacon of hope for sustainability remember when china held the olympics and painted their entire mountain green like with for sure definitely lead based paint just painted an entire goddamn mountain so it'd look pretty from a huge distance
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AlbieQuirky posted:china as a beacon of hope for sustainability to be fair, a lot of press about china is racist nonsense that toes the usual "those inscrutable chinese" line like, it's finally coming out that a lot of the panic about china's air quality is drastically unfounded and the measurements have been miscalculated for years Krinkle posted:remember when china held the olympics and painted their entire mountain green also like this poo poo here - straight up lying because racists find it plausible and frightening
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/14/china is the guardian a real newspaper or
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Krinkle posted:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/14/china not particularly no
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everything is pointless and terrible lmao
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actual stymie here to fill in for bitcoin stymie while he's on probation also lmao that that guy is in his late 20s or something, from his posting i thought for sure he was a typical dumb, smug 14 year old
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The thread stopped talking about bitcoin and now for real Stymie is here to teach us about China, good job you chucklefucks
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QuarkJets posted:The thread stopped talking about bitcoin and now for real Stymie is here to teach us about China, good job you chucklefucks i loving told y'all like two weeks ago but you didn't listen, lol
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chinese air quality is quite apparent when you are in china or i guess my lungs are racist
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big scary monsters posted:actual stymie here to fill in for bitcoin stymie while he's on probation
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anthonypants posted:here is a little trick: when you were 14, did you fantasize about other 14-year-olds, or did you fantasize about people who had gone through puberty when i was 14? i fantasized about anything that was a lady of any type basically if it had boobs i was on board
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