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JerryLee posted:It sort of irks me that they're doing that sort of work when they still have so much of their range waiting to be made in Bones at all. I mean, Reaper will do what Reaper will do and there's already so much more cool stuff out in Bones than I could have possibly imagined when it was 4 years ago and they just had like a werewolf and a purple worm, so it feels kind of petty to be saying this, but given that there's a de facto limited number of spots for new tooling, it seems like they should be expanding the line rather than redoing little details. Would that just be a matter of using different materials, rather than entirely new tooling?
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Did Reaper ever achieve their actual stated goal from the first of moving the plastic casting operation to Texas, or have they given up that pretense and now it's all just a free for all for cheap monstermans? I mean, I don't care that much, I will buy cheap monstermans, but I am curious how much of that was just an ostensible reason to justify the crowdfunding aspect for that sweet KS monies.
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Aug 21, 2015 04:06
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I don't think they ever planned to have the entirety of manufacturing here, but the majority, eventually.
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Otisburg posted:Did Reaper ever achieve their actual stated goal from the first of moving the plastic casting operation to Texas, or have they given up that pretense and now it's all just a free for all for cheap monstermans? The first one paid for a machine to make bones figures. I think they call it Thomas or something because it looks like a train. These kickstarters are basically to fund the creation of the molds themselves. They're very expensive to make, so they're having us foot the bill for the creation of those molds, paying us in subsidized monstermans. Instead of tooling a few dozen molds a year, they can do a couple hundred at once thanks to the kickstarter funds. Though, since there's so much to make for the rewards, their single machine has no way in hell of making them all, so the kickstarter figures are all made in China. They do make some stuff in Texas, supposedly, but who really knows.
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About the Fire Giantsquote:From Bryan (or whomever is currently posting form the Project Creator account currently): So the same, but not the same
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Otisburg posted:Did Reaper ever achieve their actual stated goal from the first of moving the plastic casting operation to Texas, or have they given up that pretense and now it's all just a free for all for cheap monstermans? Pretty much what Ravendas said. Bringing manufacturing over was never listed as one of their primary goals. It was just a "Hey, we've got enough extra money to start this process." Actually getting manufacturing moved over is something that's going to take at least another five or ten years and involves a lot of pretty big issues that need to be solved. The fact that injection molding machines are expensive is just one. Another is that it takes time to learn to use these machines, though they're getting more proficient at it. They also have almost all of their molds over in China right now. Also, a minor issue, but all of the molds have "Made in China" impressions. They're figuring out exactly how best to fix that when they begin making them in the US. Right now, they make the bases in their own factory. I believe they intend to make the weapon sprues with Thomas as well. Hopefully they can keep moving forward and eventually have sufficient in-house production for Bones, but it's going to be a good long while yet.
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JackMann posted:Pretty much what Ravendas said. Bringing manufacturing over was never listed as one of their primary goals. It was just a "Hey, we've got enough extra money to start this process." Actually getting manufacturing moved over is something that's going to take at least another five or ten years and involves a lot of pretty big issues that need to be solved. The fact that injection molding machines are expensive is just one. Another is that it takes time to learn to use these machines, though they're getting more proficient at it. They also have almost all of their molds over in China right now. Also, a minor issue, but all of the molds have "Made in China" impressions. They're figuring out exactly how best to fix that when they begin making them in the US. Yep. They're doing the simple stuff in-house while they get things figured out.
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It's me, I'm the idiot that didn't read up on Bones before priming the model with my cheap rattlecan and now it's a tacky pile of poo poo that won't hold paint. What's the best fix for this?
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Aug 24, 2015 00:24
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I don't think anyone's found a good solution. You can try stripping it and hoping it'll fix it, but I think it pretty much ruins the mini.
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JackMann posted:I don't think anyone's found a good solution. You can try stripping it and hoping it'll fix it, but I think it pretty much ruins the mini. RIP. Wash them with soap, water and a toothbrush to get the mold release off of them. Then, paint should just stick right to it. The 'new' thing is to just put watered down Reaper Brown Liner over the entire things as a base coat that makes the details pop out. For whatever reason, Brown Liner sticks really, really well to the bones, and acts as a good primer. Here's my first use of it, after hearing about it in the Kickstarter comments section:  Watered down a bit, it acts a bit like a wash, so it's already pre-shadowed if you paint thinly over it!
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Aug 24, 2015 00:36
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Boo. Good thing these things are cheap.
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Aug 24, 2015 00:45
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I did the same thing with an orc while searching for a viable rattle can primer (they're out there, but it requires testing.) Among other things, I tried a varnish over the top of the forever-tacky primer, and it had basically no effect. So now there's this one lone all-black orc foreverial primed up and fully paintilized sitting in my spray booth, catching whatever happens to land on him.
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I made the mistake of rattlecan priming an unpainted Bones once, and after stripping as much of it as I could with Simple Green and then letting the rest sit for a while, I was able to paint over it and now you can't tell it was ever tacky. So I wouldn't give up on it just yet.
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Aug 24, 2015 02:39
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Filling out my pledge manager I just couldn't bring myself to get a huge Mal'drakar to sit with my other unpainted capstones, so I swapped it out for a bunch of smaller stuff.
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Paolomania posted:Filling out my pledge manager I just couldn't bring myself to get a huge Mal'drakar to sit with my other unpainted capstones, so I swapped it out for a bunch of smaller stuff. I'm really tempted to do the same, but then every time I seriously consider it, I'm like, poo poo, tiamat.
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Aug 26, 2015 01:43
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I figured that, realistically, I am never going to put this on a table in front of players. It is a display piece that I'm never going to paint or display.
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Aug 26, 2015 02:13
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Honestly, that's largely the reason I haven't finished my pledge yet. I'm all excited at the idea of that thing, but the reality of it keeps preventing me from puling the trigger with any finality.
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Aug 26, 2015 02:22
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I've looked a few times at the big Bones display (3 racks of them) at my FLGS. I finally bit the bullet and bought a model and some paints. (Actually my second bones figure now, since I got one free at a painting workshop at Dragonflight,. A cool guy was teaching it). My goal is get a bunch of different types (Sword and board, duel wield, spears/pole-arms, ranged weapons) for prototyping a miniatures game I'm designing, and modding some to fit in with the game world. Basically, I love bones figures now, cheap and easy to paint.
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Aug 26, 2015 02:34
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Bad Munki posted:Honestly, that's largely the reason I haven't finished my pledge yet. I'm all excited at the idea of that thing, but the reality of it keeps preventing me from puling the trigger with any finality. I am 100% in the same boat. It's just so huge for $60, too. Like, the part of my brain that assesses the value of even this kind of thing just seems to be short-circuited by it. Tiamat!
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Aug 26, 2015 02:45
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There's no rush on the pledge manager is there?
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Bucnasti posted:There's no rush on the pledge manager is there? Not that I know of.
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With bones 2 which wrapped up in October of 2014, I pledged one USD and was able to complete it in May of this year adding whatever I wanted, pay the difference, and get my monsterman toys. I assume this will be largely the same. So I heard they're doing a prepaints KS? That might be worth looking at, particularly if they do it adequately (full basecoat, some detail/highlight, and a dip/wash). I mean let's be real most of us who pledge to this end up with bins of bare white plastic, at least with that they'll probably cost a bit more but actually be likely to see the table.
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The Bones 3 pledge manager closes in June 2016, so no, not even remotely any kind of rush
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I said gently caress it and pulled the trigger on mal'drakar. My haul Horror Bonesylvanians x1 Mouslings x1 Ma'aldrakar, Dragon Tyrant x1 Dagon x1 Lycanthropes I x1 Lycanthropes 2 x1 Very modest this time.
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What is up with the pledge manager? All the options are +$5 or more than they were in the campaign. Is there something I am missing? 
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Indolent Bastard posted:What is up with the pledge manager?  
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I have 2 different KS accounts. The higher prices are for my account that didn't pledge to the KS. How very odd...
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Indolent Bastard posted:I have 2 different KS accounts. The higher prices are for my account that didn't pledge to the KS. How very odd... Per KS update #52: quote:We have received many reports of backers seeing higher prices, and not seeing a credit for their initial pledge.
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Indolent Bastard posted:I have 2 different KS accounts. The higher prices are for my account that didn't pledge to the KS. How very odd... They did an update about that ;efb
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Oh right, I forgot about that update, didn't think that IB might be suffering from the multi-account issue.
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Man, this is tempting. I notice the goals say $100, but the calculator says $150. has the price gone up for late comers? I'm assuming for $150 still is a good price per figure. How many is there? I count 111, plus scene pieces and weapons. What would the ballpark value of this set be? It seems like probably well over $150.
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I am trying to focus on terrain this time around, so I am definitely picking up the Graveyard set and the Mythic Circle. I am probably going to end up up with the Mythos set as well though, plus a couple random adds. It's so easy to feel like grabbing $6 and $12 options like popcorn.
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Foolster41 posted:Man, this is tempting. I notice the goals say $100, but the calculator says $150. has the price gone up for late comers? I'm assuming for $150 still is a good price per figure. How many is there? I count 111, plus scene pieces and weapons. What would the ballpark value of this set be? It seems like probably well over $150. If you didn't back while the kickstarter was live, then you're paying the increased amount, which is still less than retail.
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Well I done goofed and pledged about $250 to the campaign while it was still live (rather than the $1 'and see how it goes' pledge) so I'm in it to win it with Tiamat and a bunch of hero & monster models. Not sure about the scenery stuff because although it's cheap most of it isn't anything I can't make custom for myself. Sent emails to a couple of goons who want just a few pieces, to see what they want to get...if anyone else in the UK is thinking about getting just a few things I'll think about getting orders from other goons to further split the shipping costs. I'm in on Wave 1 so I have the cheaper model costs.
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krushgroove posted:Well I done goofed and pledged about $250 to the campaign while it was still live (rather than the $1 'and see how it goes' pledge) so I'm in it to win it with Tiamat and a bunch of hero & monster models. Not sure about the scenery stuff because although it's cheap most of it isn't anything I can't make custom for myself. I'm sorely tempted.
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krushgroove posted:I'm in on Wave 1 so I have the cheaper model costs.
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Sorry, I meant 'I have the cheaper pricing of campaign backers, rather than the higher pricing non-backers will see'
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Oh that makes sense. I was momentarily saddened that in addition to waiting until next Christmas for my stuff, I'd also be paying a higher rate. 
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Ashcans posted:Oh that makes sense. I was momentarily saddened that in addition to waiting until next Christmas for my stuff, I'd also be paying a higher rate. Oath thread tax imo 
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Oh, can I buy add-ons without having to buy the core set and mix and match? Because a lot of these in the core set don't interest me as muich, but I'd like to get a bunch of the heros and some monsters.
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