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NotWearingPants
Jan 3, 2006

by Nyc_Tattoo
Nap Ghost

Fuschia tude posted:

Yes, surely such a word has never inundated the airwaves to refer to any Democratic candidate in the past :allears:

To play devil's advocate, Bernie is a "self described democratic socialist" so non-Fox pundits can now say it every time they mention him without being considered extreme.

That said, I agree the republicans have done a lot to remove the negative connotations of the word socialist by using it to label Obama for 8 years.

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NotWearingPants
Jan 3, 2006

by Nyc_Tattoo
Nap Ghost

mlmp08 posted:

Remember that everyone who has never heard of Bernie will love him. Everyone who won't like him has already heard of him.

that's just math.

Dahbadu
Aug 22, 2004

Reddit has helpfully advised me that I look like a "15 year old fortnite boi"

A Neurotic Jew posted:

In this case, you are taking numbers and then throwing them in the trash because you don' think they fit. That's not really the same thing as applying context.

Here is an attempt to provide context to Hillary's favorability numbers: There is a large population of old and stiff baby boomer democrats out there who don't necessarily see Hillary's lack of on-camera shine as a problem. This is a group of people who have been voting for establishment democrat candidates their whole life and aren't about to stop.

Personally, as a relatively young millennial, watching Hillary is like nails on chalkboard, but the thing that's great about statistics is that they help us see outside our bubble.

I'm saying that you're using those favorability numbers incorrectly and I'm using them correctly.

You say that Hillary is like nails on a chalkboard to you. You don't see that as a red flag at all? You think that there's no way she can come off similar to baby boomers? Baby boomers, like black people, are aliens. Yes, she'll probably have her strongest support among baby boomer women, but you're missing the point.

After NH and Iowa, what were Obama's numbers with baby boomer women vs. Hillary's. Whatever they were, it wasn't enough to make a difference.

Remember, yours will be the first and crowing skull on the skull throne. I can't wait! :kheldragar:

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Dahbadu posted:

I'm saying that you're using those favorability numbers incorrectly and I'm using them correctly.


And you're wrong.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

Nintendo Kid posted:

And you're wrong.

Aren't we all, pal? Aren't we all?

Dahbadu
Aug 22, 2004

Reddit has helpfully advised me that I look like a "15 year old fortnite boi"

Nintendo Kid posted:

And you're wrong.

For you math nerds in the house, this comment right here is the strongest statistical argument for me being right.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Dahbadu posted:

For you math nerds in the house, this comment right here is the strongest statistical argument for me being right.

Check your premises, buddy.

Fuckt Tupp
Apr 19, 2007

Science
Trump just told the press that he never was a fan of Hitler. Good thing he clarified that. Now watch his poll numbers double.

Dahbadu
Aug 22, 2004

Reddit has helpfully advised me that I look like a "15 year old fortnite boi"

HappyHippo posted:

Well at least we can agree that Veep is a fine TV show.

:agreed:

Hey, you know what's another fine show? Mr. Robot! You should all watch it (yes, I'm pimping this show in a horrible derail).

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

Internet Webguy posted:

Trump just told the press that he never was a fan of Hitler.

RINO

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Ted Cruz is holding a rally on the Capitol grounds to protest the Iran deal and guess who he invited....

spoiler: he invited Trump

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Joementum posted:

Ted Cruz is holding a rally on the Capitol grounds to protest the Iran deal and guess who he invited....

spoiler: he invited Trump
God, just drop out and endorse him now, for godsake

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

Joementum posted:

Ted Cruz is holding a rally on the Capitol grounds to protest the Iran deal and guess who he invited....

spoiler: he invited Trump

Trump/Cruz is the current Freeper dream ticket... Trump's dark charisma, and Cruz's... Um... Cruzness?

NotWearingPants
Jan 3, 2006

by Nyc_Tattoo
Nap Ghost

Dahbadu posted:

:agreed:

Hey, you know what's another fine show? Mr. Robot! You should all watch it (yes, I'm pimping this show in a horrible derail).

They kind of gave away much of ending by postponing after a cute blonde got shot who looks remarkably like one of their main characters.

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 200 days!

Dahbadu posted:

For you math nerds in the house, this comment right here is the strongest statistical argument for me being right.

I feel like this is a terrible thing to say, but at this point I have more confidence in fishmech's posts than than yours.

If only we had a poll to see how America feels about this pressing issue.

Spaceman Future!
Feb 9, 2007

Joementum posted:

Ted Cruz is holding a rally on the Capitol grounds to protest the Iran deal and guess who he invited....

spoiler: he invited Trump

Is he gonna show trump his rump during his stump so that he can eke the veep seat?

Miltank
Dec 27, 2009

by XyloJW

NotWearingPants posted:

To play devil's advocate, Bernie is a "self described democratic socialist" so non-Fox pundits can now say it every time they mention him without being considered extreme.

That said, I agree the republicans have done a lot to remove the negative connotations of the word socialist by using it to label Obama for 8 years.

Because Fox News has watered down the socialism to the point of meaninglessness, the average Fox viewer approve of Sanders' "self describing" as a socialist because its seen as honest. They don't see a difference between Sanders' socialism and Hillary's liberalism.

Dahbadu
Aug 22, 2004

Reddit has helpfully advised me that I look like a "15 year old fortnite boi"

Hodgepodge posted:

I feel like this is a terrible thing to say, but at this point I have more confidence in fishmech's posts than than yours.

If only we had a poll to see how America feels about this pressing issue.

Would you be so brave (be like Joe!) to provide me your insightful predictions in this primary election?

tinstaach
Aug 3, 2010

MAGNetic AttITUDE


Tautologicus posted:

Lol im not gonna post in the stickied thread about it but Ralp has the general election as 10/19/15. Wouldn't that be nice..another year of Trump

While that is the date of a general election, I don't like Trump's chances of winning it.

NotWearingPants
Jan 3, 2006

by Nyc_Tattoo
Nap Ghost
What's the over/under on the number of months 538 was off by when they called Bernie's plateau two weeks ago?

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

Jindal is trying to make it into the news cycle

http://wgno.com/2015/08/26/gov-jindal-katrina-anniversary-not-the-time-for-climate-change-talk/

quote:

August 26, 2015
The President
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington, DC 20500
Dear Mr. President,

This week it will be a pleasure to welcome you to the great State of Louisiana and to meet with you in the greatest city on earth – Chicago notwithstanding.

New Orleans still bears the scars of the summer of 2005. But since then we have experienced a Louisiana comeback. It has been a revival like no other in America.

There are now more people living and working in Louisiana than at any other time in the State’s history, earning higher incomes than ever before. A 25-year problem of outmigration has become a boom of in-migration of both people and employers. New Orleans has become a magnet for venture capital investment in its technology and media sectors.

Most importantly, with the New Orleans Recovery School District at its epicenter, our education system has been revolutionized. Charter schools and our scholarship program have given parents previously unthinkable choice and children unprecedented opportunity.

The soul of the city of New Orleans is the rhythm of its wonderful people. They have shown immeasurable courage to return, rebuild and reimagine a new future.

This week is a time to mourn the loss of loved ones and the passing of a period in our history. It is also a time to celebrate those whose future has become brighter in the storm’s terrible wake.

There is a time and a place for politics, but this is not it.

It is therefore with disappointment that I read of the White House’s plans to make this visit part of a tour for your climate change agenda. Although I understand that your emphasis in New Orleans will – rightly – be on economic development, the temptation to stray into climate change politics should be resisted.

While you and others may be of the opinion that we can legislate away hurricanes with higher taxes, business regulations and EPA power grabs, that is not a view shared by many Louisianians.

I would ask you to respect this important time of remembrance by not inserting the divisive political agenda of liberal environmental activism.


Furthermore, the people of Louisiana have already agreed upon a pragmatic and bipartisan approach to preventing and mitigating the damage of future weather systems.

Since 2008, we have taken unprecedented efforts toward restoring Louisiana’s coastline. We have entirely reorganized the state’s coastal restoration, flood control and hurricane protection program by consolidating the missions of five different state agencies into one streamlined organization. We have prioritized projects that are best for the coast overall, as opposed to what is best for singular concerns like protection or restoration or mitigation.

We developed and passed – with bipartisan majorities – the Coastal Master Plan that lays out a resource-specific, 50-year, $50 billion plan for south Louisiana. It addresses the 1,880 square miles of land the State has lost since the 1930’s, through innovative tools such as long distance dredging and sediment diversions.

This process created a more efficient way of managing efforts by keeping funding consolidated and allowing for more impactful projects. Importantly, we have ensured all funding from the RESTORE Act will be used for coastal restoration projects.

A lecture on climate change would do nothing to improve upon what we are already doing. Quite the opposite; it would distract from the losses we have suffered, diminish the restoration efforts we have made, and overshadow the miracle that has been the Louisiana comeback.

Partisan politics from Washington, D.C. are unwelcome in Louisiana at the best of times. This week it would be met with nothing but derision. I would therefore ask you to carefully consider your message.

In 2008 you were elected on a promise of hope and change. Since then, New Orleanians have delivered those things for themselves. It would be constructive to bring people together in that same spirit.


Sincerely,
Bobby Jindal
Governor

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 200 days!

Dahbadu posted:

Would you be so brave (be like Joe!) to provide me your insightful predictions in this primary election?

I think it is terribly unlikely for anyone but Hillary to get the Dem. nomination, but that Sanders hitting her from the left is a good idea.

I also think that this forum is a great place to figure out what young white male progressives think about things, which is not really Hillary's stronghold within the Democratic coalition.

Dahbadu
Aug 22, 2004

Reddit has helpfully advised me that I look like a "15 year old fortnite boi"

Hodgepodge posted:

I think it is terribly unlikely for anyone but Hillary to get the Dem. nomination, but that Sanders hitting her from the left is a good idea.

I also think that this forum is a great place to figure out what young white male progressives think about things, which is not really Hillary's stronghold within the Democratic coalition.

And what are your thoughts on the Republican race? Please, do tell.

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2019

NotWearingPants posted:

That said, I agree the republicans have done a lot to remove the negative connotations of the word socialist by using it to label Obama for 8 years.

Not just Obama/8 years. Kerry and Clinton were also called the most socialist candidates ever by whatever group it is that announces those things.

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 200 days!

Dahbadu posted:

And what are your thoughts on the Republican race? Please, do tell.

I've posted a few, but I can understand that arguing with fishmech tends to make the rest if the thread fade into the background.

pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib
Trump should just say he won't have a veep, we haven't had that in a while and I feel anyone will drag him down.

Dahbadu
Aug 22, 2004

Reddit has helpfully advised me that I look like a "15 year old fortnite boi"

Hodgepodge posted:

I've posted a few, but I can understand that arguing with fishmech tends to make the rest if the thread fade into the background.

Dude, I'm not going to go back through your probably very uninteresting posts. Just say who your picks are.

Spaceman Future!
Feb 9, 2007

pathetic little tramp posted:

Trump should just say he won't have a veep, we haven't had that in a while and I feel anyone will drag him down.

He could totally get a dig in at not runnin Joe by declaring vice presidents as useful as a swollen appendix and refuse to declare one.

Spacebump
Dec 24, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations
Another thing nobody has talked about is how Bernie will deal with the God questions that many moderate swing state voters find important. He won't be like Trump and say the Bible is the greatest book ever written. That could realistically hurt him in the general. It'd be nice if this kind of thing wasn't an issue with so many voters but I'm betting it will be.

Spacebump fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Aug 27, 2015

Xenophon
Jun 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
Grimey Drawer

Spacebump posted:

Another thing nobody has talked about is how Bernie will deal with the God questions that many moderate swing state voters find important. He won't be like Trump and say the Bible is the greatest book ever written. That could realistically hurt him in the general. It'd be nice if this kind of thing wasn't an issue with so many voters but I'm betting it will be.

"Whether you are Catholic or Protestant; Christian, Jewish or Muslim; Hindu or Buddhist, what all of the major religions teach us is that it is immoral when so many have so little and so few have so much."

"If you read the religious tenets of the major religions throughout history, whether it is Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and others, what you find is almost universal objection and disgust and a feeling of immorality in terms of usury."

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

why are bernie posters in this thread bigger shitheels than even the trump posters

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Fuschia tude posted:

Not just Obama/8 years. Kerry and Clinton were also called the most socialist candidates ever by whatever group it is that announces those things.

You're thinking of the way that Democrats always manage to find the MOST LIBERAL (Senator/Governor/PTA Chairman) to be their nominee. Though with Bernie it'll be tough to point to the sitting socialist as perhaps being a counter to such a ranking.


Kind of inspiring how each pic/department combination is worse than the last. That takes real effort.

Gyges fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Aug 27, 2015

richardfun
Aug 10, 2008

Twenty years? It's no wonder I'm so hungry. Do you have anything to eat?

Dahbadu posted:

:agreed:

Hey, you know what's another fine show? Mr. Robot! You should all watch it (yes, I'm pimping this show in a horrible derail).

I would like to second this motion, non-germane as it might be.

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver
Dude, :nms: that poo poo

Diqnol
May 10, 2010

babypolis posted:

why are bernie posters in this thread bigger shitheels than even the trump posters

Because the dorkiest of goons are automatically aligned with bernie

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

babypolis posted:

why are bernie posters in this thread bigger shitheels than even the trump posters

Because the Trumpites aren't dealing with the dissonance of knowing their guy will lose the primary but claiming he's gonna be president anyway.

richardfun
Aug 10, 2008

Twenty years? It's no wonder I'm so hungry. Do you have anything to eat?

Could you give me a little advance warning next time you're going to give me a minor stroke? :gonk:

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



if you want a problem, if no one else can cause it, and if you can find them in the polls, maybe you can hire the F Team

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pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib
:siren:GAME CHANGER ALERT:siren:

BIG BREAKING NEWS


MASSIVE ELECTION-CHANGING ENDORSEMENT COMES IN FOR JEB BUSH













That's right, Jeb Bush has just been endorsed by Eric "The loving Loser" Cantor.

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