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Here is what happens when you have a rollover in a Miata with no rollbar:    And here is what a rollover in a Miata WITH a rollbar looks like:  So, here is you without a rollbar:  HTH!
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Aug 31, 2015 18:17
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A good Sigma X post.
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Aug 31, 2015 18:20
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The problem is you're backpedaling and arguing instead of just taking the very good advice, saying it was a dumb idea and moving on. Savington called you an idiot because that was a loving idiotic statement, own it and move on and we can all be friends ok?
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Aug 31, 2015 18:21
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Phone posted:A good Sigma X post. TBH I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but the Miata was still the most fun car I've owned and I greatly enjoyed all forms of motorsport I participated in while driving it. I was also never dumb enough to track it without a rollbar, or depend on the fiberglass hardtop for rollover protection, precisely because of pictures like those. A NA-NC Miata's front windshield will fold like a napkin in even slow-speed rollover, and there is literally nothing else preventing the car from sitting flat other than the seatback and your spine. Don't track it without a rollbar, and don't buy one of those mousetrap "rollbars", either. Get something with proper chassis tie-in and bracing.
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Aug 31, 2015 18:25
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leica posted:The problem is you're backpedaling and arguing instead of just taking the very good advice, saying it was a dumb idea and moving on. Fine. Never track without a rollbar. My cavalier attitude was dumb. Sigma X posted:Here is what happens when you have a rollover in a Miata with no rollbar: What's a Lotus Esprit doing in there? (also I wasn't talking about no rollbar, I was talking about an NC with a factory rollbar and pictures of rolled over NCs look a lot better than any of these NAs and NBs)
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Aug 31, 2015 18:26
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Sigma X posted:Here is what happens when you have a rollover in a Miata with no rollbar: That's me in the red shirt. Buttonwillow, summer of '07. That car had a single-hoop bar with no rear legs or diagonals, and the bar was tweaked backwards in the car. Insufficient rollover protection and the driver (shirtless guy) is very lucky to walk away from it.
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Aug 31, 2015 18:32
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Jesus, those pics make me want to get a rollbar for the street, doesn't hardog make "street safe" bars?
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Aug 31, 2015 18:33
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leica posted:Jesus, those pics make me want to get a rollbar for the street, doesn't hardog make "street safe" bars? that's what I'm wondering, they say don't get a rollbar for the street but that dead guy is on the street 
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Aug 31, 2015 18:36
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ethanol posted:that's what I'm wondering, they say don't get a rollbar for the street but that dead guy is on the street He's not actually dead. from clubroadster posted:I posted this a while back; here's the story:
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Aug 31, 2015 18:44
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That guy is lucky as hell; however, the reason why it flipped was because he was CUTTING IT UP on the streets. Controlled environments, peeps.
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Aug 31, 2015 18:50
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Agreed, however with all the roll over accidents I've seen lately around here it makes me worry about all the other idiots driving around. Honestly I'm more worried about my son because he's usually with me in the Miata. Only way I'd get a roll bar though is if were WAY back far enough to prevent heads from bouncing off it in the event of an accident. Not sure if it's even possible.
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Aug 31, 2015 19:26
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For anyone else with an NC PRHT, this is the only roll bar you can get for your car. It requires the trunk to be removed, but will work. https://www.flyinmiata.com/nc-transformer-roll-bar.html There's some pics on the page that make it look like it works just as the stock bars do when it's not up for track. Dunno how I feel about the bar's need for bolts to be removed and installed for proper fitment - could someone with roll bar experience chime in to say if that's a bad design?
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Aug 31, 2015 19:35
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Nodoze posted:Seat cooler? I ordered this, it was in stock less than 4 months ago: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IV50JTS That fan between your legs pulls up cool air and pushes it through the seat and back. The airflow is most noticeable up through the seat portion, and in cooler temperatures, but even in hot weather it circulates enough air to prevent you from sweating against the seat. I think it's totally worth it to be able to drive to work (~25 minutes) and not end up with sweaty clothes in hot weather (top up or down, A/C on or off, etc.) It does add about an inch of depth to the seat and back, so if you're tall and barely fit in the car as-is something like this won't work for you. Even I had to change my seating position and angle, but I got used to it and prefer it this way. I'll go out and take some photos in a little bit. Phone posted:E: motorcycle track days put down sandbags and barriers to protect the riders from the track barriers that are not body friendly. If you're riding on the track, you're in full leathers and whatnot so it isn't analogous. I think his motorcycle analogy was referring not to racing in specific but riding in general. Even with ATGATT you can still get killed in a bad highside or by being hit by another vehicle. Despite it being more dangerous in terms of operator safety, there's nothing objectively wrong with two-wheeled transportation. ethanol posted:does anybody have pictures of stock miata rollovers, like do the ubars just pancake or what. My fear because I don't track at all is that someday I will get tboned and the car will flip over or some poo poo, completely outside of my control The chances of that scenario happening to you on the street are exceedingly remote, I think. I mean, it's good to be cautious, but to get rolled over in a Miata in a t-bone would require a substantial amount of force. Like, a train? Or maybe a semi? Something really big & heavy, going fast and with something low enough to catch under the car and flip it rather than pushing down on it towards the ground. In that type of collision I think you'd have more things to worry about than a roll bar. leica posted:This one shows it doesn't take much speed either: Nice find. That's a good illustration of a slow roll, and the recovery procedure. This roll wasn't just about speed, though; it looks like he hit the gravel and slid, while if he hit grass he might not've rolled at that speed. GutBomb posted:You people have convinced me that if I do it to get a roll bar. You've also convinced me not to ask simple questions in the forum lest I have my intentions of asking misconstrued and be called an idiot multiple times for thinking that I'd probably be ok in an extremely unlikely rollover with the factory roll hoops. Don't get the wrong impression, they're just really serious about this topic because they've seen what can go wrong. The thread is usually more relaxed. Don't get turned off from Miata goons by this one topic! Sigma X posted:So, here is you without a rollbar: I was going to add this: 
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Aug 31, 2015 20:29
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leica posted:Jesus, those pics make me want to get a rollbar for the street, doesn't hardog make "street safe" bars? Iirc as long as a seat back is there to stop you from smacking your noggin on the bar you should be good I have wanted one for my s2k ever since I drove by a rollover accident on 495 last summer going to the beach.
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Aug 31, 2015 21:16
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To get away from this bullshit for a while, I tried to remove my stock non-bose radio with home made tools and the right side came out a little but the left side won't move even a bit. Any tips how to get it out?
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Sep 1, 2015 00:43
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Savington posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMmjaaSQP08 Just curious, what was the mistake? Seems like a bit too much speed into the corner?
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Sep 1, 2015 00:45
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Savington posted:You might not be, but you didn't come here looking for actual advice. You came here for yes-men to tell you that it's totally OK to take unnecessary and completely avoidable risks with your own life. I've been doing what you want to do for a very long time, and I'm telling you that you're an idiot. I'm telling you this less for your own well-being (because it's clear you won't listen anyway), and more for the well-being of others who might read this in the future and think that it's OK to emulate your astounding stupidity. Just to clarify: you didn't come here looking to give him actual advice either. You don't actually care about him at all; it's just an excuse to wave your e-cock around, show off your superior TRACK DAY BRO knowledge, and call him an idiot a bunch of times. SA is built on a solid foundation of petty nastiness, and that's why it's failing.
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Sep 1, 2015 04:12
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Trans Ferdinand posted:SA is built on a solid foundation of petty nastiness, and that's why it's failing. Do tell 
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Sep 1, 2015 04:49
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Trans Ferdinand posted:SA is built on a solid foundation of petty nastiness, and that's why it's failing. We should strive to be more like Reddit and become a haven for pedophiles.
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Sep 1, 2015 05:00
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mobby_6kl posted:To get away from this bullshit for a while, I tried to remove my stock non-bose radio with home made tools and the right side came out a little but the left side won't move even a bit. Any tips how to get it out? Is your stock HU still one of those that takes the Ford-style extraction tools? If so, I've seen people successfully turn coat hangers into those tools, but it could just be that you just don't have them in the right shape to catch the tabs on that one side. I think one side gave me a little difficulty (with the actual tools) but I remember getting it out by wiggling the tools. You might just need to pony up the few bucks for the real tools if you can't get someone to loan them locally (is this the kind of loaner tool AutoZone or similar might have?) Trans Ferdinand posted:Just to clarify: you didn't come here looking to give him actual advice either. You don't actually care about him at all; it's just an excuse to wave your e-cock around, show off your superior TRACK DAY BRO knowledge, and call him an idiot a bunch of times. But nobody else came here to berate him; everyone who responded is a thread regular.  Are...are you trying to troll? Because you're doing it weird. I'm scared.... 
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Sep 1, 2015 05:10
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leica posted:Do tell I don't need to; you can just look at the thread titles on the first few pages of GBS. "Stupid poo poo (X) actually believe(s)" "India is the most loving disgusting country on the planet" "Des Moines is loving awful...big surprise" "Hicks up in arms over their dirt farms being called ugly" Back in the halcyon days of my youth, I played Friday Night Magic religiously. I noticed one thing at the card shop - nerds LOVE to put each other down. You take a disenfranchised, downtrodden segment of society and they'll fall all over each other trying to grind each other into the dirt. That is essentially what happens on SA.
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Sep 1, 2015 05:14
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Atomizer posted:
Sockington didn't just come here to berate him; he broke a 15-day streak of NOT posting to come here and berate him.
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Sep 1, 2015 05:17
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Trans Ferdinand posted:Sockington didn't just come here to berate him; he broke a 15-day streak of NOT posting to come here and berate him. Good thing Sockington didn't come in here. I told Savington about it on Facebook because he has other poo poo to do such as run his Miata shop and post on Miata specific forums like Miata.net or Miataturbo. But yeah, you're right... Savington just came in here to score cheap points and berate him.
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Sep 1, 2015 05:22
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mobby_6kl posted:To get away from this bullshit for a while, I tried to remove my stock non-bose radio with home made tools and the right side came out a little but the left side won't move even a bit. Any tips how to get it out? In my 2006 there is a single bolt on the left side of the HU that you have to get at from under the dash. It's a huge pain in the rear end but a wobble extension did the trick.
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Sep 1, 2015 05:24
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Phone posted:Good thing Sockington didn't come in here. Haha, you messaged him on Facebook, were like "yo Savvy, there's some idiot on SA who thinks he doesn't need a rollbar. You know what to do." That's really sad.
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Sep 1, 2015 05:28
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Dude, chill. It's cool, I said something dumb and overreacted. Not the first time, won't be the last. But the dude is cool and knows what he's talking about.
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Sep 1, 2015 05:31
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Trans Ferdinand posted:I don't need to; you can just look at the thread titles on the first few pages of GBS. Are you seriously complaining right now or is this just a lovely troll
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Sep 1, 2015 05:37
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GutBomb posted:Dude, chill. It's cool, I said something dumb and overreacted. Not the first time, won't be the last. But the dude is cool and knows what he's talking about. He was a dick to you. It's kind of sad that you're defending him. If he actually cared about your livelihood, he....wouldn't have been a dick to you. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Coming down on you like you're the classroom dunce is actually a good way to ensure that you get pissed off, storm off, go track your Miata with no rollbar, and end up an organ donor. The fact that you didn't speaks more to your levelheadness than anything else.
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Sep 1, 2015 05:39
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leica posted:Are you seriously complaining right now or is this just a lovely troll You just proved my point. The fact that you can't accept that I'm actually being serious, that you assume I'm just fakeposting/trolling for my own personal amusement, because that's what everyone on SA does, right? I don't buy into that poo poo; I don't see the point of posting things that I don't actually mean. It seems pretty manipulative and false to me!
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Sep 1, 2015 05:43
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Trans Ferdinand posted:Haha, you messaged him on Facebook, were like "yo Savvy, there's some idiot on SA who thinks he doesn't need a rollbar. You know what to do." me posted:Man, I'm the worst. I can't really stand caviler attitudes towards track safety. I mean... To be fatalist as gently caress, if people flock to clubs and tracks that don't require roll over safety in a miata, the problem will sort itself out Must be hard being clairvoyant [and deciding that this is the anthill on which you want to die on].
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Sep 1, 2015 05:55
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SA = serious business
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Sep 1, 2015 05:57
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Phone posted:Must be hard being clairvoyant [and deciding that this is the anthill on which you want to die on]. I'm still amused that you messaged your buddy on Facebook based on an SA post. If I notified my friend every time someone on SA posted something stupid, his inbox would be full in short order.
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Sep 1, 2015 06:01
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Charged up my AC. Works surprisingly well and holds pressure. Got the second can to bring it up to the correct lowside pressure and it never gets above 30. The compressor gets all angry and starts clunking. Purged some out. Bringing it down to vacuum when the auto hobby shop opens and I can use their A/C machine to see whats going on the high side =/
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Sep 1, 2015 06:08
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Trans Ferdinand posted:I'm still amused that you messaged your buddy on Facebook based on an SA post. If I notified my friend every time someone on SA posted something stupid, his inbox would be full in short order. You're probably the cause of a lot of full inboxes right now.
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Sep 1, 2015 06:23
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Rhyno posted:You're probably the cause of a lot of full inboxes right now. I am posting the truth. It makes some people uncomfortable, because they've been drinking the Kool-Aid for so long that they can't perceive anyone transgressing the accepted norms.
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Sep 1, 2015 06:42
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Are you Donald Trump IRL?
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Sep 1, 2015 06:46
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Trans Ferdinand posted:I don't need to; you can just look at the thread titles on the first few pages of GBS. GBS, and hell, BYOB and FYAD are not the best representation of the whole of the SA forum community. I'd think, if you've been here for long enough, you'd be able to notice that the specific subfora can be quite serious. Trans Ferdinand posted:Sockington didn't just come here to berate him; he broke a 15-day streak of NOT posting to come here and berate him. Why are you stalking Sockington, and counting the number of days he hasn't posted? 
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Sep 1, 2015 07:10
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Beep Beep JDM numberz.
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Atomizer posted:GBS, and hell, BYOB and FYAD are not the best representation of the whole of the SA forum community. I'd think, if you've been here for long enough, you'd be able to notice that the specific subfora can be quite serious. I have been here for long enough - longer than you, actually. GBS, BYOB, and FYAD are the most prominent forums. Therefore, you can get a sense of the overall "atmosphere" of SA by looking at them. The fact that they actually had to create BYOB, a forum where you *have* to be nice to each other, should tell you everything you need to know. quote:Why are you stalking Sockington, and counting the number of days he hasn't posted? I was not "stalking" Savington (I called him Sockington earlier). I was curious to see if he is normally a huge rear end in a top hat, or if this was just a special occasion.
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Trans Ferdinand posted:I have been here for long enough - longer than you, actually. GBS, BYOB, and FYAD are the most prominent forums. Therefore, you can get a sense of the overall "atmosphere" of SA by looking at them. Yeah, I'm familiar with regdates, I'm aware that you've been registered a bit longer than me.  GBS et al. might be the most prominent subfora, however that doesn't mean you should mistake them as being representative of the entire community. High post count or whatever doesn't mean they make up the majority of the actual content on the SA forum. There are far, far more varied and thoughtful subfora like A.I. for example. Just because one idiot yells the loudest doesn't mean he represents an entire population; see, for example, Donald Trump. As far as Savington is concerned, why would you even mention that? Have you ever heard of lurking? Why couldn't he just have been reading until feeling the need to post about an important car-safety-related topic?!?  WTF dude?
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